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joop said:
He's been anywhere from could play today, 2 or 4 weeks away for well over 2 months.
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Really???

............2nd Feb News

"St Kilda
Midfield recruit Nathan Freeman has been managed since crossing from Collingwood, with his recurrent hamstring problems being monitored closely by the Saints. Right now he is a couple of weeks away from resuming training as he works with the clubs strength and conditioning coaches. There is no timeline for him to play at this stage, with the NAB Challenge now out of reach."
 
joop said:
If he was ready to play off a minor injury 2 months ago but is still 3 weeks away it most certainly is bullshit.
We're being cautious with him because he's still bloody injured.
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Haven't heard this from anyone in the know, just my personal opinion but I suspect he's on a rehab program that is dictated by getting miles into his legs, speed / endurance / agility testing, etc. & not so much to do with whether he feels right or the prognosis suggests he's good to go.
 
bird_man said:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...2/news-story/bfbd244af1406c5410cd62e20bcb3c47

Down to 3 weeks people...
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joop said:
Down to 3 weeks from2 weeks 10 weeks ago...?
This is getting confusing.
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SaintsSeptember said:
From 2?
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bird_man said:
It was 4 weeks last week
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#1_pigeonracer said:
Really???

............2nd Feb News

"St Kilda
Midfield recruit Nathan Freeman has been managed since crossing from Collingwood, with his recurrent hamstring problems being monitored closely by the Saints. Right now he is a couple of weeks away from resuming training as he works with the clubs strength and conditioning coaches. There is no timeline for him to play at this stage, with the NAB Challenge now out of reach."
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Yeh and...?
 
joop said:
I don't know what injury he has because the club won't tell us, that's my point. He's been anywhere from could play today, 2 or 4 weeks away for well over 2 months.
I'm sorry but if you think he's 100% ready to go and they're just being cautious you're kidding yourself.
Paddy did a 'minor hamstring' 4 weeks ago and played a full game on the weekend.
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McCartin hasn't missed two years of footy due to recurring hamstring issues...
 
joop said:
And he only missed a few weeks because it was minor.
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And Freeman is back in full training and has been for a while. Would he be training with a torn hamstring?

How hard is it to understand? The issue is not the injury, it's the fact that there is something there causing the injury, that is what the medical team need to get 110% right before they let him play.
 
Its really not rocket science. The club say when they think he could be ready. They re assess and if he's not 100% ready in body and mind they tack a few more weeks on. I don't get the anger and aggression towards it. The club are doing what is best for Freeman's future. The club have also stated numerous times that he wasn't recruited for this year.
It's not a conspiracy. We're not being lied to. It is what it is.
 
joop said:
And he only missed a few weeks because it was minor.
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If he hasn't been able to fully train for two years then he probably has a lot of training and fitness to catch up on until he is at a level be able to play as well.
Not sure what his fitness levels are like right now after being injured for so long.
 
bird_man said:
And Freeman is back in full training and has been for a while. Would he be training with a torn hamstring?

How hard is it to understand? The issue is not the injury, it's the fact that there is something there causing the injury, that is what the medical team need to get 110% right before they let him play.
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When did I say he had a torn hamstring?
 

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I don't see what the issue is.

He didn't join preseason training with the main group from the start because we wanted to build up his fitness/strength/agility and so-on, on the back of a couple of years decimated by injury. So he did all that for the first several weeks of preseason, until he got to the point where the club obviously felt his hammy and so-on were ready for him to join full training with the main group.

So he then joined the main group, presumably with the intention that if he didn't have any setbacks it would be pretty much full-steam-ahead from that point onwards, but then when he had that minor twinge, not long after joining full training, they slammed the brakes on and decided/realised his hammy wasn't strong enough for full training yet.

So once he was over the twinge they put him back on what was essentially a strengthening/rehab/fitness program again, to get it, as they said at the time, "bulletproof", before they let him resume full training with the rest of the team again. They presumably would have only been guessing how long that would take, as this is a pretty unique case. It may have taken him a couple of weeks to get to that point, or it may have taken 6. I imagine it would have been a case of wait-and-see.

It sounds as though they did exactly that and that by a month or so ago it was deemed that it was strong enough for him to resume full football training again, but given that he'd had so little actual football training over the preseason, they want him to get a really good block of football training in before they let him play any games. So that by the time he's played, he's had a reasonably similar amount of football training as the rest of the group generally had before they started playing games.

And so, that's why he's in full training at the moment, but not playing games quite yet. It sounds as though he could easily play a game if his life depended on it, but because it doesn't, they're essentially letting him finish off his preseason.

I really don't see why there is such doubt over any of this, as it's a perfectly logical and sensible way to approach it as far as I'm concerned. Most of the group would have done about 3 months of football related training and match-simulation before they played any games. Freeman, on the other hand, has only done about 4 or 5 weeks of it so far, so they want him to do more.

There's a big difference between someone being a couple of weeks away from joining full training and him being 2 weeks away from playing a game!
 
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joop said:
It just pisses me off that the club and people on here who claim to have inside word say it was 'minor' and that 'he could play this week' when clearly it's bullshit.
Just tell us what the injury is.
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he has no injury now. he is undertaking a full preseason again which is why they are being conservative. it is not 3 weeks from training it is hopefully 3 weeks before playing vfl.

other people have been saying this for weeks. just to reiterate what others are saying, it was minor strain, but the guy is doing a full preseason again. it just takes time. and time is what he has.
 
sammm said:
he has no injury now. he is undertaking a full preseason again which is why they are being conservative. it is not 3 weeks from training it is hopefully 3 weeks before playing vfl.

other people have been saying this for weeks. just to reiterate what others are saying, it was minor strain, but the guy is doing a full preseason again. it just takes time. and time is what he has.
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Fair enough, haven't heard the club say he's doing another preseason hence my confusion that he's been a couple weeks away since December.
 
joop said:
Fair enough, haven't heard the club say he's doing another preseason hence my confusion that he's been a couple weeks away since December.
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the club never came out and said 2 weeks. After he did the hamstring they stated that ist was slight.

they also said in one of the injury reports that he was back in full traning.
 
joop said:
As I said I don't know because the club won't tell us.
I've explained all this before, try actually reading my posts.
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I do not understand what you think the club is keeping from you though?

They have told you that he had a minor hamstring tear. They have also said they they had decided to be extra cautious with him now. I'm not sure what else you want to hear from them?
 
bird_man said:
I do not understand what you think the club is keeping from you though?

They have told you that he had a minor hamstring tear. They have also said they they had decided to be extra cautious with him now. I'm not sure what else you want to hear from them?
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joop said:
Fair enough, haven't heard the club say he's doing another preseason hence my confusion that he's been a couple weeks away since December.
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He's not doing another preseason, he basically only started his preseason (as far as football training/ball use/skills/match-simulation goes) about 5 weeks ago, so they just want him to get a bigger block of that under his belt before they let him play any games. He's coming off two years where he's hardly played. They're not going to throw him into games of footy after only a couple of weeks of football related training, that would be madness.

That's the big difference between Paddy's minor hammy and Freeman's. Paddy isn't coming off two years of major hamstring injuries and he's done three months of football training this preseason, whereas Freeman is coming off two years of major hamstring injuries and has only done a few weeks of football training this preseason. That's why he needs more under his belt, while Paddy didn't. He already had 3 months worth of it under his belt this preseason.

As for the club saying he was a couple of weeks away at the end of December, that wasn't a couple of weeks away from being ready to play games, it was that he was a couple of weeks away from re-joining full training, which is hugely different. I suspect when they said that they were thinking that as soon as he was over that twinge that he would just go straight back into full training, but that they soon saw sense and realised it was wiser to have him do more rehab/strength building/"bulletproofing" before having him do that and that's why it ended up being 5 or 6 weeks before he did so. Once he did, they then wanted to get a good block of that football training in, before letting him play games, which I think is/was very wise.
 
I recall reading a few weeks ago that there was a difference in hamstring strength of 400/150 (something like that) as per some machine they have. The weaker one needs to get up to the strong one.
 
Feel free Joop to post on the Pies board about our clubs never ending '2 weeks' advice.......even though this is complete BS and our club has been more than upfront and honest.
 
aussierulesrules said:
He's not doing another preseason, he basically only started his preseason (as far as football training/ball use/skills/match-simulation goes) about 5 weeks ago, so they just want him to get a bigger block of that under his belt before they let him play any games. He's coming off two years where he's hardly played. They're not going to throw him into games of footy after only a couple of weeks of football related training, that would be madness.

That's the big difference between Paddy's minor hammy and Freeman's. Paddy isn't coming off two years of major hamstring injuries and he's done three months of football training this preseason, whereas Freeman is coming off two years of major hamstring injuries and has only done a few weeks of football training this preseason. That's why he needs more under his belt, while Paddy didn't. He already had 3 months worth of it under his belt this preseason.

As for the club saying he was a couple of weeks away at the end of December, that wasn't a couple of weeks away from being ready to play games, it was that he was a couple of weeks away from re-joining full training, which is hugely different. I suspect when they said that they were thinking that as soon as he was over that twinge that he would just go straight back into full training, but that they soon saw sense and realised it was wiser to have him do more rehab/strength building/"bulletproofing" before having him do that and that's why it ended up being 5 or 6 weeks before he did so. Once he did, they then wanted to get a good block of that football training in, before letting him play games, which I think is/was very wise.
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And I'm sure that'll be the excuse when in 3 weeks (freemans timeline) he's still 2 weeks away.
 
joop said:
And I'm sure that'll be the excuse when in 3 weeks (freemans timeline) he's still 2 weeks away.
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The time frame is just an estimate. They should really just be saying indefinite.
There is no rush, he will be available when the coach's and trainers think he is fit enough.
 
joop said:
And I'm sure that'll be the excuse when in 3 weeks (freemans timeline) he's still 2 weeks away.
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Remember this '3 weeks' is sourced from the Herald Sun, not the club.

I think it comes from an article that mentioned he was 5 weeks away (2 weeks ago).

It's probably not any new information from the club, they're just basing it off previous reports.
 

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