Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[Lethal06]

This is what concerns me sometimes.

I find it hard to believe that Freeman looked noticeably better than Cripps at JUNIOR level given how badly Cripps is dominating SENIOR level. You have to wonder how an experienced recruiter can get that so wrong. I mean, two years later and you can clearly see Cripps should have gone Top 3 in that draft.

This looks worse than than Hawthorn and Carlton not taking Pendlebury in 2005.

Talent identification and drafting is notoriously HIT and MISS and you seem to be trying to make a case that our recruiters have done a poor job but the results from the past three drafts don't support your argument:

2012
18 Grundy - HIT
19 Kennedy - uncertain but probably a MISS
20 Broomhead - HIT
38 Ramsay - HIT

2013
6 Scharenberg - HIT
10 Freeman - MISS
65 Langdon - HIT
77 Marsh - HIT

2014
5 DeGoey - HIT
9 Moore - HIT
30 Maynard - HIT
48 Goodyear - uncertain but probably a MISS

Additionally, we've had quite a bit of success in the last three rookie drafts, picking up:

• Marley Williams - HIT
• Sam Dwyer - HIT
• Adam Oxley - HIT
• Jack Frost - HIT
• The Big Show - MASSIVE HIT
• Mason Cox - uncertain

 

[Apex36]

Well I guess that comes down to what your definition of pretty seriously is. Mine would include non-drinking!

FWIW his conditioning has little to do with his application.

Booze surely wouldn't have that much of an impact on his recovery would it? At least not to the extent you seem to be implying, unless he was on the turps every other night?

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Talent identification and drafting is notoriously HIT and MISS and you seem to be trying to make a case that our recruiters have done a poor job but the results from the past three drafts don't support your argument:

2012
18 Grundy - HIT
19 Kennedy - uncertain but probably a MISS
20 Broomhead - HIT
38 Ramsay - HIT

2013
6 Scharenberg - HIT
10 Freeman - MISS
65 Langdon - HIT
77 Marsh - HIT

2014
5 DeGoey - HIT
9 Moore - HIT
30 Maynard - HIT
48 Goodyear - uncertain but probably a MISS

Additionally, we've had quite a bit of success in the last three rookie drafts, picking up:

• Marley Williams - HIT
• Sam Dwyer - HIT
• Adam Oxley - HIT
• Jack Frost - HIT
• The Big Show - MASSIVE HIT
• Mason Cox - uncertain

Sorry, but nothing in my post indicated Hine is horrible at what he does.

I was just shocked at how wrong they got THIS particular one.

 

[Apex36]

Talent identification and drafting is notoriously HIT and MISS and you seem to be trying to make a case that our recruiters have done a poor job but the results from the past three drafts don't support your argument:

2012
18 Grundy - HIT
19 Kennedy - uncertain but probably a MISS
20 Broomhead - HIT
38 Ramsay - HIT

2013
6 Scharenberg - HIT
10 Freeman - MISS
65 Langdon - HIT
77 Marsh - HIT

2014
5 DeGoey - HIT
9 Moore - HIT
30 Maynard - HIT
48 Goodyear - uncertain but probably a MISS

Additionally, we've had quite a bit of success in the last three rookie drafts, picking up:

• Marley Williams - HIT
• Sam Dwyer - HIT
• Adam Oxley - HIT
• Jack Frost - HIT
• The Big Show - MASSIVE HIT
• Mason Cox - uncertain

Goody will prove you wrong.

 

[Apex36]

Sorry, but nothing in my post indicated Hine is horrible at what he does.

I was just shocked at how wrong they got THIS particular one.

Still can't see your logic here. There's nothing to suggest that Freeman wouldn't be a great player and best 22 if he hadn't been injured.

If he leaves before getting the opportunity to show his wares, that's no fault of our recruiting department, so it's a bit of a stretch to say they got anything wrong from a recruiting perspective.

 

[MyManLynch]

Mmmm...not all positive vibes there.
I hope he stays & repays the faith.
If he departs, then hopefully we land a good draft pick to assist with Aish & or use it to package with a player to improve the pick & have a shot at THE WEID!
Pick 20 from St Kilda packaged with Witts should secure a 1st round pick, circa 8-10 which we can target the grand son (come on Eddie, pull rank & get it done)!

 

[Lethal06]

Sorry, but nothing in my post indicated Hine is horrible at what he does.

I was just shocked at how wrong they got THIS particular one.

Langdon and Marsh make the 2013 draft a big success. If the 2013 draft was redone now, both would be taken 30-40 places higher than we got each of them for.

 

[Lethal06]

Goody will prove you wrong.

Yes, you're probably right - I was too quick to class Goodyear as a MISS. I don't get to see any VFL footy and jumped to an unfair conclusion simply because he hasn't played an AFL match yet. Should have left him as UNCERTAIN. Apologies.

 

[Scodog10]

Booze surely wouldn't have that much of an impact on his recovery would it? At least not to the extent you seem to be implying, unless he was on the turps every other night?

Booze isn't the issue at play.

That was more in relation to the prevailing "fitness nut" POV. I wouldn't expect a guy that is 100% fitness oriented to ever touch alcohol (a guy like Michael Braun is a great example).

Also it may or may not have an impact on his rehab I'm not qualified to comment on that (though I doubt it helps).

 

[ant22]

Well I guess that comes down to what your definition of pretty seriously is. Mine would include non-drinking and another sneaky thing that's crept into the club!

FWIW his conditioning has little to do with his application.

You sound like you are in the know so it should come as no suprise that many players(as in most) from what I understand have starting hitting the grog. I get the sense that the clubs are happy for the players to have the odd big night during the season since the Keefe and Thomas issue as long as it is a week from a game. My understanding is alot of players Sh!t themselves after this and have turned to drinking instead.

 

[Hardas]

I'm not sure I believe a word from that Brissie nuffie in this thread but let's just say he does intend to go to StKilda.

What would the Saints be offering? Obviously not their first pick so I'm assuming their second which is in the early 20's?

Or a player like Acres?

 

[76woodenspooners]

This looks worse than than Hawthorn and Carlton not taking Pendlebury in 2005.

We didn't take Pendlebury either ...

... Until our second pick.

 

[Scodog10]

You sound like you are in the know so it should come as no suprise that many players(as in most) from what I understand have starting hitting the grog. I get the sense that the clubs are happy for the players to have the odd big night during the season since the Keefe and Thomas issue as long as it is a week from a game. My understanding is alot of players Sh!t themselves after this and have turned to drinking instead.

I wouldn't say I'm in the know, but the majority of what you've posted there matches up with what I've heard.

The last sentence is what stands out. My understanding is that some of the guys that shit themselves returned to their previous ways...

Not really the right thread for it though so I might take my leave.

 

[jmac70]

You sound like you are in the know so it should come as no suprise that many players(as in most) from what I understand have starting hitting the grog. I get the sense that the clubs are happy for the players to have the odd big night during the season since the Keefe and Thomas issue as long as it is a week from a game. My understanding is alot of players Sh!t themselves after this and have turned to drinking instead.

You make it sound like turning to drink is a bad thing.

 

[ant22]

You make it sound like turning to drink is a bad thing.

Do I? Im pretty sure I havn't stated an opinion on it one way or another. Fwiw I dont have an issue with players getting on the piss Every now and a again. IF it means they are enjoying life a bit more and relaxed as long as they do the work and look after themselves I have no issue. Hodge clearly does and he has had a cracking season.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Obviously, you would want Pick 24 (which will probably be Pick 26 after Danger & Luenberger Compo's)

We would offer Pick 42 & One of Wright/Saunders/Curren/White or Lee (you're not gonna get Acres, Lonie, Sinclair etc)

The Deal will probably fall somewhere in the middle, i'd suspect.

 

[doodles98]

Talent identification and drafting is notoriously HIT and MISS and you seem to be trying to make a case that our recruiters have done a poor job but the results from the past three drafts don't support your argument:

2012
18 Grundy - HIT
19 Kennedy - uncertain but probably a MISS
20 Broomhead - HIT
38 Ramsay - HIT

2013
6 Scharenberg - HIT
10 Freeman - MISS
65 Langdon - HIT
77 Marsh - HIT

2014
5 DeGoey - HIT
9 Moore - HIT
30 Maynard - HIT
48 Goodyear - uncertain but probably a MISS

Additionally, we've had quite a bit of success in the last three rookie drafts, picking up:

• Marley Williams - HIT
• Sam Dwyer - HIT
• Adam Oxley - HIT
• Jack Frost - HIT
• The Big Show - MASSIVE HIT
• Mason Cox - uncertain

NUP: You are too generous and you are making calls before having any real evidence on some players such as Scharenberg and Broomhead. You also have to look at the quality we have got for the pick selection relative to others taken around the same mark before you decide if it's a hit or miss.

2012
18 Grundy - hit
19 Kennedy - uncertain but probably a miss - disappointing
20 Broomhead - uncertain but will only be an average player - a bit disappointing
38 Ramsay - uncertain
Overall I have to rate this drafting as disappointing given we had 3 late 1st rounders in a row
2013
6. Scharenberg - UNCERTAIN but not looking like he is worthy of a pick 6
10. Freeman - Big Miss
65 Langdon - massive Hit
77 Marsh - uncertain but looks like a big hit
Overall I have to rate this drafting as disappointing on available evidence; but only given we had 2 top 10 picks which happens how often??!! late picks were genius though!
2014
5. DeGoey - Hit
9. Moore - uncertain but looks like a big hit
30. Maynard - uncertain but looks like a hit
48. Goodyear - uncertain
Overall uncertain but early doors looks to be our best draft of the 3.

Hine's later picks read much better than the earlier ones especially when you consider other players we could have taken.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

I've been asked to stop ending my sentences with 're'. So I might end my sentences like the bachelor by saying 'I really do' or 'I really can'. I think freeman should stay.. I really do. How's that?

 

[Ketchup]

Booze isn't the issue at play.

That was more in relation to the prevailing "fitness nut" POV. I wouldn't expect a guy that is 100% fitness oriented to ever touch alcohol (a guy like Michael Braun is a great example).

Also it may or may not have an impact on his rehab I'm not qualified to comment on that (though I doubt it helps).

Drinking alcohol when recovering from muscle damage can be one of the worst things you can do for what it's worth. In fact, there isn't many things I would say are worse.


I'm all for sending him to the draft. He won't last until pick 27, nor will he make it past Carlton with pick 1 in the pre season draft. Make it a second rounder or nothing. Send the kid through hell, I don't even care. He's played 4 very uninspiring vfl games. He can leave and I wouldn't even care.

 

[BPikkers]

We didn't take Pendlebury either ...

... Until our second pick.

I knew one of the hawthorn recruiters and they had their sights on Daisy (hoping we would pick up Ellis with our first). Also, Pendles was initially expected to go in the last teens.

 

[ant22]

Drinking alcohol when recovering from muscle damage can be one of the worst things you can do for what it's worth. In fact, there isn't many things I would say are worse.


I'm all for sending him to the draft. He won't last until pick 27, nor will he make it past Carlton with pick 1 in the pre season draft. Make it a second rounder or nothing. Send the kid through hell, I don't even care. He's played 4 very uninspiring vfl games. He can leave and I wouldn't even care.

In fairness to Freeman I was at a club function later in the year where most players where drinking but Freeman wasn't from what I could see. The club rule is the players in rehab cant drink

 

[Ketchup]

In fairness to Freeman I was at a club function later in the year where most players where drinking but Freeman wasn't from what I could see. The club rule is the players in rehab cant drink

And i'm sure he didn't when he was under club supervision at functions

 

[ant22]

And i'm sure he didn't when he was under club supervision at functions

Fair point but the function was a player function. I don't believe there were any other club staff there.

 

[Ketchup]

Fair point but the function was a player function. I don't believe there were any other club staff there.

That would be even worse. Freeman could cop a spray from management. Don't think you'd wanna be copping one from your peers, which could include a club captain, then try and hold the club for ransom.

 

[Good_Old]

The way people are posting in here, Freeman leaving is a foregone conclusion. Am I missing something.

Also, don't clubs have the ability to look at instagram? The AFL block that website from all club staff? Would Freeman or whoever else really post those pictures thinking the club wouldn't see them? Maybe he was given permission. Maybe he wasn't and has been punished for it... .. .