Player Watch Nathan Freeman

[surfer1]

Fair call, maybe I get too attached to Collingwood players, still pissed about Paul Williams leaving.

I blame Bucks

 

[Hard Yakka]

Yep, you nailed it.
Jessie White is a much better player than Dawes yet cops so much criticism from supporters. Both Dawes and White have a bit of the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" syndrome but gee, White's version of Jane is so much more attractive than Dawes'.

Dawes is a Collingwood premiership player. He had a real impact in 2010 and kicked a couple of goals in the GF.

I don't have an issue with us having traded him, but wouldn't go bagging him either...

 

[MyManLynch]

Yep, you nailed it.
Jessie White is a much better player than Dawes yet cops so much criticism from supporters. Both Dawes and White have a bit of the "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane" syndrome but gee, White's version of Jane is so much more attractive than Dawes'.

White did kick 27 goals this year.
Where as Cloke only kicked 34 & Billy 35.

 

[sr36]

A mistake? That depends if he was prepared to take a contract of a base value of 200k or 250k... I wouldn't have offered him 300k like the Saints reportedly have.... If he would have taken a 250k offer from us with no conditionals I'd personally have offered such.

Not sure too many people would have supported the type of contract offered by the Saints of almost a million dollars over three years. It is understandable why Freeman has chosen to leave and whilst it is disappointing we may end up better off.

I'm not questioning the size of the contract we offered. I've got no idea what's suitable. My criticism is the idea of giving a young player with injury issues a contract that encourages him to get on the park when he isn't 100% fit.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Welcome back Timmy.

The break was worth it (dont tell the mods)

 

[Ant85]

On the one hand Hine has already stated that they'll explore trade scenarios which are in our very best interests... which likely precludes sending him to the PSD.

On the other hand, it would be one mighty extended middle finger to Freeman and the AFLPA. Sure, clubs like Brisbane might be leery of picking up a player who wants to go to another club, but is Freeman prepared to sit out another year of AFL football just to get what he wants?

If this is a shallow draft and the most we'll get is a 2nd rounder, maybe this is the year to give the middle finger?

 

[Kilmo]

Pretty sure Heath Shaw was AA this year...

I think what he means is that Shaw was kicked out, rather than wanting out.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

If this is a shallow draft and the most we'll get is a 2nd rounder, maybe this is the year to give the middle finger?

It seems compensation may go towards the Treloar deal though, so that appears unlikely.

 

[ppoiter]

Yes he's a beauty. Just finished 19th in Melbourne's BnF. Kicked a whopping 11 goals in his 14 games this year.

That's some quality we badly need right there!

He's the luckiest man alive seriously. Melbourne are playing him $500,000 a year for being a good bloke.

Are you sure its that much? Im an ok guy, wheres my $500,000

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I think what he means is that Shaw was kicked out, rather than wanting out.

What we do know about Shaw as an undisputable fact is that he remains seven years older than Adams

 

[Melksham2Siposs]

If this is a shallow draft and the most we'll get is a 2nd rounder, maybe this is the year to give the middle finger?

Tried it. Seemed cool at the time

You'd have to snap up a 2nd rounder.

We got Lonie with pick 41 last year. He's no Brownlow medalist in the waiting, but a best 22 player nonetheless. I'm sure you've got your own examples of great plucks after the first round.

Outside of the expansion teams and the Dogs, you've got the best assembled young list with the addition of Treloar, a 2nd pick might be a flop, or could be the tipping point of you having great depth and steam rolling a more fancied team in future years final series.

If Saints had of taken pick 30 from the Pies for Ball, we could've grabbed Max Gawn or Sam Reid. Wouldn't have helped us in '10, but grabbing Gawn would have saved us the pick 14 we spent on Hickey years later. But we decided to be heroic and huff and puff for a player that we were pushing out of the best 22.

 

[Markfs]

It's interesting that Paul Connors phones up SEN to clear the air about his player..... and then proceeds to speculate about and then "verbal" the Collingwood footy club. Speculate by saying that Aish is very unlikely to get to Collingwood - which is probably an educated guess considering his place in the system. I dont have much issue with him doing that, but I dont know what it's got to do with his business interests. The bit that gets me annoyed is that he verbals the Collingwood footy club by saying that it doesnt really want Aish. Did Collingwood say that to him during Freeman negotiations? I doubt it. He likes to portray himself as a man of the highest order. Well if he calls up SEN to straighten out people talking about his charge when they dont have the necessary information, then he should practice what he preaches. He should keep his mouth shut on players who havent bought his services.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Tried it. Seemed cool at the time

You'd have to snap up a 2nd rounder.

We got Lonie with pick 41 last year. He's no Brownlow medalist in the waiting, but a best 22 player nonetheless. I'm sure you've got your own examples of great plucks after the first round.

Outside of the expansion teams and the Dogs, you've got the best assembled young list with the addition of Treloar, a 2nd pick might be a flop, or could be the tipping point of you having great depth and steam rolling a more fancied team in future years final series.

If Saints had of taken pick 30 from the Pies for Ball, we could've grabbed Max Gawn or Sam Reid. Wouldn't have helped us in '10, but grabbing Gawn would have saved us the pick 14 we spent on Hickey years later. But we decided to be heroic and huff and puff for a player that we were pushing out of the best 22.

Some common sense from a Saints fan!

You probably would have landed Wellingham or Goldsack too as steakknives.

 

[1061]

Throw Freeman to the wolves and into the draft, if he ends up in Brisbane let Connor explain that to Nathan and any other possible future Connor Clients.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Throw Freeman to the wolves and into the draft, if he ends up in Brisbane let Connor explain that to Nathan and any other possible future Connor Clients.

Absolutely not. We have to prove our behaviour is above that of Freemans and Connors, to establish that we are a club of integrity that players would want to be at. Why stoop to their level?

Besides, we might need that pick to land a decent player or help land Treloar. Something is always better than nothing, so as long as StKilda value Freeman trade value in line with how they value his just-under-a million dollar salary contract, let a deal be done.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Throw Freeman to the wolves and into the draft, if he ends up in Brisbane let Connor explain that to Nathan and any other possible future Connor Clients.

seriously.. just no..

A late 20's pick could turn out to be a gem, you cut your losses and get what you can for Freeman.

Players available from pick 26 onwards.

2014 - Touk Miller, Brayden Maynard, Jack Lonie, Caleb Daniel, Cory Gregson,
2013 - Zach Merrett, Lewis Taylor, Jake Kolodjashnij, Ben Brown, Tom Langdon, Jon Marsh
2012 - Kamdyn McIntosh, Ben Jacobs, Jackson Ramsay, Mark Hutchings, Taylor Hine
2011 - Elliott Yeo, Brad Hill, Jack Newnes, Lachie Neale
2010 - Jack Darling, Scott Lycett, Jeremy Howe, Luke Parker, Alex Fasolo, Tom McDonald, Paul Puopolo,
2009 - Travis Colyer, Jack Gunston, Mitch Duncan, Max Gawn, Sam Reid, Allen Christensen, Nathan Vardy, Dylan Roberton,

Anyways you get my point.
2nd round pick could still produce a gem or help seal the Treloar deal.

 

[Robroy22]

Tried it. Seemed cool at the time

You'd have to snap up a 2nd rounder.

We got Lonie with pick 41 last year. He's no Brownlow medalist in the waiting, but a best 22 player nonetheless. I'm sure you've got your own examples of great plucks after the first round.

Outside of the expansion teams and the Dogs, you've got the best assembled young list with the addition of Treloar, a 2nd pick might be a flop, or could be the tipping point of you having great depth and steam rolling a more fancied team in future years final series.

If Saints had of taken pick 30 from the Pies for Ball, we could've grabbed Max Gawn or Sam Reid. Wouldn't have helped us in '10, but grabbing Gawn would have saved us the pick 14 we spent on Hickey years later. But we decided to be heroic and huff and puff for a player that we were pushing out of the best 22.

And I had to wait until the final line....but yes I got it. See you guys get it too?
Saints wanted to move Lukey Ball on....yep you lost out to stubborness. WE (CFC) didn't want to move Freeo on, we offered him very reasonable terms for a young man that had never played a game.
See the difference? See why that pick better come through?

 

[Mick39]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

It's really sad that Heath Shaw isn't still at Collingwood. He was a flawed person but he was Collingwood to the core. He wanted the best for the club and the coach was unable to control him.

Having a team full of choir boys like our current coach is trying to implement doesn't always produce results.

 

[Robroy22]

It's interesting that Paul Connors phones up SEN to clear the air about his player..... and then proceeds to speculate about and then "verbal" the Collingwood footy club. Speculate by saying that Aish is very unlikely to get to Collingwood - which is probably an educated guess considering his place in the system. I dont have much issue with him doing that, but I dont know what it's got to do with his business interests. The bit that gets me annoyed is that he verbals the Collingwood footy club by saying that it doesnt really want Aish. Did Collingwood say that to him during Freeman negotiations? I doubt it. He likes to portray himself as a man of the highest order. Well if he calls up SEN to straighten out people talking about his charge when they dont have the necessary information, then he should practice what he preaches. He should keep his mouth shut on players who havent bought his services.

I love it when you talk seriously!
Yep....what is Connor's agenda? When will he deliver one our way instead of simply raiding our stocks?

 

[Robroy22]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

It's really sad that Heath Shaw isn't still at Collingwood. He was a flawed person but he was Collingwood to the core. He wanted the best for the club and the coach was unable to control him.

Having a team full of choir boys like our current coach is trying to implement doesn't always produce results.

You're so funny Mick.....you don't even try to hide the fact that you're a TROLL

 

[Pendles!]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

It's really sad that Heath Shaw isn't still at Collingwood. He was a flawed person but he was Collingwood to the core. He wanted the best for the club and the coach was unable to control him.

Having a team full of choir boys like our current coach is trying to implement doesn't always produce results.

If he truly wanted the best for the club, then he would have controlled his own behaviour. He's not a child.

 

[MyManLynch]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

It's really sad that Heath Shaw isn't still at Collingwood. He was a flawed person but he was Collingwood to the core. He wanted the best for the club and the coach was unable to control him.

Having a team full of choir boys like our current coach is trying to implement doesn't always produce results.

You'll be singing a different song, after Bucks orgistrates a Premiership.

 

[Ant85]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

This would have to be the most stupid post I've ever read on BF Collingwood.

 

[Bay Pie]

It's funny how so many posters commented on how they believe the club mismanaged his hamstring injury over the past 18 months and when he decides to leave the club all of a sudden he's money hungry, pea hearted, weak so and so etc..

Our incentive based offer had the potential to earn more money than at St Kilda while Saints base offer was a lot higher.

He has no idea how long of a career he will have now and his explosive burst of pace has diminished, with no guarantees it will return.

Cut the kid some slack and take a look at it from his perspective and his families.

Footy Fans have a shocking tendancy to be so self involved that it's just about their feelings.

Yep pretty true. But don't give us the BS that it isn't about maximising you earnings.

His manager actively shopped him to all Victorian clubs and St.Kilda bit with the best deal. The injury management is total BS. He's concerned about getting a spot in our best 22, thinks his greatest asset (his burst speed) may be gone and therefore getting what he can out of footy. Dale Thomas all over again without performing at AFL level.

 

[Apex36]

Love Adams as a player but GWS have won that trade. Tay is hard at it but his foot skills are terrible, a player with such poor skills wouldn't get a game at Hawthorn. We are ranked 16th for foot disposal for a reason.

It's really sad that Heath Shaw isn't still at Collingwood. He was a flawed person but he was Collingwood to the core. He wanted the best for the club and the coach was unable to control him.

Having a team full of choir boys like our current coach is trying to implement doesn't always produce results.

BS. Adams will be top 5 in the Copeland this year and he's only 22. He is still way off his peak yet. Shaw may be in AA form, but the Adams/Shaw trade is as close to a win/win trade as I've ever seen. GWS will get 5 years of solid service from Shaw, we will get 10 from Adams, and I'd be shocked if he doesn't get an AA or two by the time his career is over.