MRP / Trib. Nathan van Berlo

[Slippery Pete]

Is there a difference between offering a player more money to entice them to stay and offering them the captaincy to stay? People seem to be happy to offer more money but not the captaincy

Correct, it's just a different way of johning.

 

[cmndstab]

Money is a personal, individual thing. Captaincy is a position of leadership.

If you're offering up the top position of leadership on the field as a carrot in trade negotiations, you're telling the rest of your squad that leadership really isn't that important - just a bargaining chip. Why would players follow a leader who is only in the role because he was going to walk out the door otherwise?

Meanwhile a player who actually deserves to be captain gets overlooked because he didn't make as much noise.

The captaincy should not be offered as a bargaining chip to Dangerfield for him to say. Fortunately, I don't think it will need to be anyway.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Do people think that true leaders have ambitions to be captain?

Or is it just something that the club tells you at some point, hey you're captain this season well done

I think amition is healthy in a leadership sense. But it's ambition to achieve rather than ambition to strong arm at the contract table.

 

[Elite Crow]

I can't see Danger ever stating or demanding the Captaincy. But when you are the captain it does make it a little harder to leave. That's one of the reasons I'd give him the captaincy before commencing negotiations.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I can't see Danger ever stating or demanding the Captaincy. But when you are the captain it does make it a little harder to leave. That's one of the reasons I'd give him the captaincy before commencing negotiations.

I'd let the natural captain be captain. If that happens to be Danger, fantastic.

 

[rayven]

I can't see Danger ever stating or demanding the Captaincy. But when you are the captain it does make it a little harder to leave. That's one of the reasons I'd give him the captaincy before commencing negotiations.

if he ever considered leaving because he wont get the captaincy, when he wants it..he should be shown the door now..

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think amition is healthy in a leadership sense. But it's ambition to achieve rather than ambition to strong arm at the contract table.

To achieve what? Anything that differentiates them from other senior players at the club?

I'd let the natural captain be captain. If that happens to be Danger, fantastic.

Choosing the captain is a decision that people make. There's no "it can be only one" Excalibur type thing at play.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

if he ever considered leaving because he wont get the captaincy, when he wants it..he should be shown the door now..

If he's indifferent to the prospect of captaining the club... he should be shown the door now.

Or at the very least dumped from the leadership group.

 

[Southerntakeover]

To achieve what? Anything that differentiates them from other senior players at the club?

To achieve an honour. It's my position that the best person to be captain is captain. If a player wishes to be captain they should have ambition to be that person.

Choosing the captain is a decision that people make. There's no "it can be only one" Excalibur type thing at play.

I disagree. It's a leadership position, and it's not made in a vaccum. It's informed by who is the best leader.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Choosing the captain is a decision that people make.

Well then we're in trouble.

 

[Slippery Pete]

I disagree. It's a leadership position, and it's not made in a vaccum. It's informed by who is the best leader.

Just as important as having leadership qualities is identifying leadership qualities.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Just as important as having leadership qualities is identifying leadership qualities.

Sure. I've got no problem with the captaincy being filled by the person identified as having the best leadership qualities.

I object to the concept that the captaincy decision should be made not on this basis, but on the basis that we need to offer more consideration to a player or they'll piss off.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Sure. I've got no problem with the captaincy being filled by the person identified as having the best leadership qualities.

I object to the concept that the captaincy decision should be made not on this basis, but on the basis that we need to offer more consideration to a player or they'll piss off.

That's just a possible spin off benefit.

I agree it shouldn't be the reason for the appointment.

 

[Southerntakeover]

That's just a possible spin off benefit.

I agree it shouldn't be the reason for the appointment.

Then we're probably furiously in agreement.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Because Dangerfield is Victorian there is always going to be a cynical undertone with contract renewal / captaincy. Like there was with Boak and Port.

If Dangerfield was a South Australian who had just inked a 5 year deal I think people would still be campaigning for him just as hard.

 

[Elite Crow]

if he ever considered leaving because he wont get the captaincy, when he wants it..he should be shown the door now..

Thats not what I implied and I don't believe he would.

 

[rayven]

Thats not what I implied and I don't believe he would.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that.I don't think he would either.

 

[Allefgib]

Its entirely plausible there are equally good leaders at a club.
Its entirely plausible they have different playing abilities.
It's entirely plausible another club may want a player for their potential to lead their Club.

It's entirely stupid to not consider the carrot of captaincy in that situation.

 

[Lawrst]

Its entirely plausible there are equally good leaders at a club.
Its entirely plausible they have different playing abilities.
It's entirely plausible another club may want a player for their potential to lead their Club.

It's entirely stupid to not consider the carrot of captaincy in that situation.

Nup. Shit.


Am I doing it right?

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

If he's indifferent to the prospect of captaining the club... he should be shown the door now.

Or at the very least dumped from the leadership group.

No, don't agree with this.

By any chance did you watch Open Mike this week with Matthew Scarlett?

Year after year he was voted into the Geelong leadership group and year after year he turned it down. I think they did a good job of not showing him the door.

Some people lead by standing in front of the group and using that 'Ra Ra' extrinsic type of motivation to get to an end goal, some lead by example and some lead by taking a very different approach by using intrinsic motivation coming from self gratification.

We need a mixture of personalities around the club who lead in very different ways. Not wanting to be the captain isn't that big of a deal at all. Doesn't mean they don't want the club to be successful or they are not motivated to win or be the best.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

No, don't agree with this.

By any chance did you watch Open Mike this week with Matthew Scarlett?

Year after year he was voted into the Geelong leadership group and year after year he turned it down. I think they did a good job of not showing him the door.

Some people lead by standing in front of the group and using that 'Ra Ra' extrinsic type of motivation to get to an end goal, some lead by example and some lead by taking a very different approach by using intrinsic motivation coming from self gratification.

We need a mixture of personalities around the club who lead in very different ways. Not wanting to be the captain isn't that big of a deal at all. Doesn't mean they don't want the club to be successful or they are not motivated to win or be the best.

That's not really the point I was making.

I didn't mean that every single player at your club should be gunning to be captain.

Dangerfield is obviously not a shrinking violet and does covet leadership roles.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

That's not really the point I was making.

I didn't mean that every single player at your club should be gunning to be captain.

Dangerfield is obviously not a shrinking violet and does covet leadership roles.

I agree with you and if someone doesn't, that shouldn't mean we cut them loose.

Some people who are very natural leaders don't enjoy that responsibility but are still very good leaders.

 

[FR0GGY]

I agree with you and if someone doesn't, that shouldn't mean we cut them loose.

Some people who are very natural leaders don't enjoy that responsibility but are still very good leaders.

McLeod was one of these was he not

 

[Allefgib]

Nup. Shit.


Am I doing it right?

Sure

 

[cmndstab]

Its entirely plausible there are equally good leaders at a club.
Its entirely plausible they have different playing abilities.
It's entirely plausible another club may want a player for their potential to lead their Club.

It's entirely stupid to not consider the carrot of captaincy in that situation.

If you have two players who have equally high leadership skills but one is a vastly better player, I think they'd be made captain regardless of whether other clubs came sniffing or not.