National Draft - #8

[Bockchoy67]

Our list doesn't only need to be boosted in midfield. We need boosting all over the place.

Except the half backline of course.

I agree with your points Stiff, we do need to replace our older ruckman with those who have the potential to have a real impact on games in the future. I admit the prospect of having Wood and Andrews in the same team (if they both develop their bodies) sounds quite impressive. However...

...seeing as this year's draft begin to fall a little in the 2nd round, the midfield prospects that are left by then are quality but all have several weaknesses, in some cases considerably more so than those found in the top 10.

In hindsight our draft choices are most likely going to be much more largely influenced by this year's draft than ever before in the AFC's history.

 

[mymansyd]

If we get Scott Thompson and to a lesser extent Enright via trades, then I agree that we should just pick the best player available at number 8, no matter what his size or type.

However, if we don't get Thompson and/or Enright or any other quality young midfielder, then I think it would be preferable to draft the best available midfielder at #8. I sincerely think we need to get cracking on an up-and-coming midfield group next season to take over from Roo/Macca/Edwards in 2006.

Having said that, I acknowledge our ruck stocks our poor (I've been bloody whinging about it myself for the last 2 years) and I wouldn't be disappointed if we picked up a tall at #8. At the end of the day, I'm sure (well, um, hoping) the AFC will make the right decision with their pick.

 

[crowsarethebest]

If monfries and wood were still available who would you pick? Pretend roughhead or franklin was still available at pick 8 would we still pick one of them? They would be the best players available for sure but do we need another chb/chf?

 

[Bockchoy67]

If monfries and wood were still available who would you pick? Pretend roughhead or franklin was still available at pick 8 would we still pick one of them? They would be the best players available for sure but do we need another chb/chf?

It really depends on who we obtain during the trade week, especially if they are midfielders.

To answer your question, I would not take Roughead if he was avaliable. We have enough KPP right now (Welsh, Hentschel, S.Stevens, Krueger, Bock, McGregor, Rutten, Perrie, Smith, etc) and he does not fit our priorities.

Although I highly, highly doubt Franklin would be avalible by pick 8, it's a tough situation. On one hand, you've got an exceptional talent. On the other hand, he does not really fit your structural requirements...

Anyone else got an opinion on this matter?

 

[snakebite01]

If monfries and wood were still available who would you pick? Pretend roughhead or franklin was still available at pick 8 would we still pick one of them? They would be the best players available for sure but do we need another chb/chf?

I would, especially Franklin.

We could play him at FF, Watts at CHF, Hentschel on a flank. Very very nice.

The other way of looking at it would be if he wanted to go home in future years then we could use him to bring Pav or Schammer home, or better still, get involved in the Judd trade if he ever goes back to Melbourne.

 

[RooDog]

I listened to Kevin Sheenan (sp???) on the radio today and he said there is about 3 or 4 ruckman who will go in the first round and are genuine prospects as best as they have been. He also said there is a few very good KPP who will also go first round. When you think about it a lot of talls are expected to go in the first round which means you are very likely to get a good midfielder with pick 24. Wasn't Coughlan pick 25

You say will Wood replace Roo, Goody, McLeod or Edwards but then who will replace Clarke or Biglands?????? Huddo might be good but he is 26 next year.

Like it or not a ruckman is JUST as important as a midfielder and since ruckman are MUCH harder to find that a midfielder then you would be nuts to overlook him if he is available.

Now I agree that midfield is in a need of major rebuilding BUT we cannot ignore our need to rebuild the ruck.

Again I ask what if for example we get Thompson and say Enright with in the trade week and still keep picks #8 and #24. If Woods was available at pick 8 (and many good judges day he is a top 6 pick) surely you would have to pick him up. Chances are you can still get a very good midfield prospect with pick 24 but picking up a quality ruckman with that pick is very unlikely.

Our list doesn't only need to be boosted in midfield. We need boosting all over the place.

i only heard part of the interview Stiff but he said adelaide were eyeing off Griffen and he doesnt think that Griffen will go in the top 4 anymore!! we can only hope! what was his order Deledio, Tambling, Roughhead??, then?? i only heard part but Griffen would add real grunt to our midfield!!!!

 

[crowsarethebest]

Franklin and roughhead are chb/chf so your having a gamble putting them at ff. it will be a interesting trade week and i can't wait till the draft!!!

 

[crowsarethebest]

i only heard part of the interview Stiff but he said adelaide were eyeing off Griffen and he doesnt think that Griffen will go in the top 4 anymore!! we can only hope! what was his order Deledio, Tambling, Roughhead??, then?? i only heard part but Griffen would add real grunt to our midfield!!!!

If griffen comes down to 8 it will be a miracle. We have to hope some guys like meyer lewis and other guys perform super at the camp and tell griffen to perform like a dud

 

[Bockchoy67]

i only heard part of the interview Stiff but he said adelaide were eyeing off Griffen and he doesnt think that Griffen will go in the top 4 anymore!! we can only hope! what was his order Deledio, Tambling, Roughhead??, then?? i only heard part but Griffen would add real grunt to our midfield!!!!

That is probably due to the knee injury Griffen has carried through the Draft Camp, thus he has not been able to impress to the extent that he would've normally.

However, a knee injury last year didn't stop Andrew Walker being drafted at no.2. I'd be very surprised if Ryan wasn't in the top 3 picks.

 

[Stiffy_18]

i only heard part of the interview Stiff but he said adelaide were eyeing off Griffen and he doesnt think that Griffen will go in the top 4 anymore!! we can only hope! what was his order Deledio, Tambling, Roughhead??, then?? i only heard part but Griffen would add real grunt to our midfield!!!!

He'll go top 5 mate. No dramas at all. I reckon he is top 3 material no question. If he falls to pick 8 I would run down rundle mall naked

 

[Stiffy_18]

If monfries and wood were still available who would you pick? Pretend roughhead or franklin was still available at pick 8 would we still pick one of them? They would be the best players available for sure but do we need another chb/chf?

You'd have to go for Franklin regardless.

You would have to do what Geelong did last year. They were set to take tall with pick 7 but Tenace fell down to pick 7 and they just had to pick him.

If there is a slider like that and you have a chance to pick him you got to do it regardless of whether or not he fits the structural requirements.

 

[Bockchoy67]

He'll go top 5 mate. No dramas at all. I reckon he is top 3 material no question. If he falls to pick 8 I would run down rundle mall naked

Damn Stiff can't you do something new for once.

I agree with your comments on Franklin BTW.

However Stiff, what if Franklin was taken but Roughead was still avaliable? Would you draft him?

Personally I would not choose him, though I do enjoy his marking and attack on the ball.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Damn Stiff can't you do something new for once.

I agree with your comments on Franklin BTW.

However Stiff, what if Franklin was taken but Roughead was still avaliable? Would you draft him?

Personally I would not choose him, though I do enjoy his marking and attack on the ball.

If it was Roughhead instead of Franklin I wouldn't take him despite the name

 

[WaynesWorld19]

If you can pickup Thompson and Waters in trade week, I would go for Wood.

If We get Thompson (and that depends on who we trade for him) and get pick 12 for Stenglein, I would go Monfries/Eckerman with #8, and Wood/Meeson/Deluca with pick 12, and hope we could get another midfielder with pick 24.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If you can pickup Thompson and Waters in trade week, I would go for Wood.

If We get Thompson (and that depends on who we trade for him) and get pick 12 for Stenglein, I would go Monfries/Eckerman with #8, and Wood/Meeson/Deluca with pick 12, and hope we could get another midfielder with pick 24.

But late whispers from the people in the know suggest that Wood will go top 6 and unlikely to slip out of the top 10.

And to be honest I am a bit nervous about Victorian ruckmen considering past experiences

 

[WaynesWorld19]

But late whispers from the people in the know suggest that Wood will go top 6 and unlikely to slip out of the top 10.

Read the same article - will not happen.
Think the game is saying Ruckmen not as important as good midfielders or KPP. Secondly the thought of 3 years of development B4 getting a return will put clubs off V getting immediate results from medium sized players already touted.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

And to be honest I am a bit nervous about Victorian ruckmen considering past experiences

Meeson has that touch of Mongel I like, just not the speed

 

[Bockchoy67]

If you can pickup Thompson and Waters in trade week, I would go for Wood.

If We get Thompson (and that depends on who we trade for him) and get pick 12 for Stenglein, I would go Monfries/Eckerman with #8, and Wood/Meeson/Deluca with pick 12, and hope we could get another midfielder with pick 24.

I like the sound of that, though I'm certain we will not get Waters come trade week.

DeLuca has nearly all of the tools neccersary to succeed at AFL level. However, he really needs to increase his mobility, work ethic and the depth of his kicking.

There's also a few unheralded midfielders I have seen that are definitely worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Matt Rosa, Nick Becker and Jesse D Smith are all capable midfielders who have impressed me. I predict Rosa (who represented and was one of the best for Vic Country) will go as a late 2nd Round pick. Smith and Becker after their terrific Grand Final performances are likely to be taken as 3rd Rounders.

Smith racked up 34 possessions in the Grand Final, so perhaps he is one who can perform well in big games. In fact, the only thing I can actually criticise him of is his lack of pace.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I like the sound of that, though I'm certain we will not get Waters come trade week.

DeLuca has nearly all of the tools neccersary to succeed at AFL level. However, he really needs to increase his mobility, work ethic and the depth of his kicking.

I've got a feeling an ex Sth Aussie will be coming home

Deluca like Wood needs to put on a lot of weight.

 

[imbecile12]

i only heard part of the interview Stiff but he said adelaide were eyeing off Griffen and he doesnt think that Griffen will go in the top 4 anymore!! we can only hope! what was his order Deledio, Tambling, Roughhead??, then?? i only heard part but Griffen would add real grunt to our midfield!!!!

This article says that Richmond are deciding between Griffen, Tambling, Deledio and Franklin for their number one pick. Assuming Griffen drops to 4, Richmond have pick 4 anyway and would definitely take him.

The year we finally have a high draft pick, 4 teams manage to be worse, and 3 of them so bad they get priority picks. Basically turns a pick 5 into a pick 8 and almost no chance of getting one of the best South Aussie midfielders for years.

Begs the question, since Griffen could be a potential superstar in the making and from SA, do you pull the trigger on a major deal and try to move up? I'd reckon West Coast would love to move up to get Franklin.







http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=173567

 

[Ozzie]

Roughhead has to be the best name ever to grace the draft. The poor lad has to be a tough SOB to survive having a name like that.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Roughhead has to be the best name ever to grace the draft. The poor lad has to be a tough SOB to survive having a name like that.

Thats what I was thinking

 

[Mego Red]

There's also a few unheralded midfielders I have seen that are definitely worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Matt Rosa, Nick Becker and Jesse D Smith are all capable midfielders who have impressed me. I predict Rosa (who represented and was one of the best for Vic Country) will go as a late 2nd Round pick. Smith and Becker after their terrific Grand Final performances are likely to be taken as 3rd Rounders.

Smith racked up 34 possessions in the Grand Final, so perhaps he is one who can perform well in big games. In fact, the only thing I can actually criticise him of is his lack of pace.

Jesse Smith is father/son to North Melb, which is why he's listed low in mock drafts. On talent, he's mid first round. Annoyingly, there are two first rounder talents this year going as father-son, diluting the talent available to us.

 

[Zombie]

Jesse Smith is father/son to North Melb, which is why he's listed low in mock drafts. On talent, he's mid first round. Annoyingly, there are two first rounder talents this year going as father-son, diluting the talent available to us.

He was talking about the other Jesse Smith, there are two in this years draft.

With pick #8 you would think Adelaide would have the option of taking a home town player or pick up a top 5 player who has slipped. It all depends on what sort of players the top 3 clubs need, I wouldn't be at all suprised to see Franklin, Roughead or Wood available at pick 8.

 

[mymansyd]

He was talking about the other Jesse Smith, there are two in this years draft.

With pick #8 you would think Adelaide would have the option of taking a home town player or pick up a top 5 player who has slipped. It all depends on what sort of players the top 3 clubs need, I wouldn't be at all suprised to see Franklin, Roughead or Wood available at pick 8.

Correct...

Jesse W. (already picked up by Roos under Father/Son rule)
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=jesse_w_smith

Jesse D. (also expected to be picked up in the draft)
http://www.footydraft.com/players.php?player=jesse_d_smith

Agree with your 2nd point as well. There's always a gun that slips down to the lower reaches of the top-10. For example, 2 years ago the Port recruiters almost fell of their collective chairs when Salopek (who was expected to go in the top 3) was still available at Port's #6 pick.

The more I think about it, the more I think we should just go with what we consider to be the best player available, no matter what type or size (particularly, as I' and others have stated before, we manage to get Thompson and/or Enright to bolster our young-midfield stocks).

I must admit I'm starting to get excited and nervous (in equal doses) at next week's trading period. Please god, let us have our way!