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An article about the Orlando FA situation for those interested.
http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/sportstoryA4257A.htm

Magic's next target may be Odom

NBA's free-agent 'wish-list' period opens Tuesday

By John Denton
FLORIDA TODAY




ORLANDO -- They don't wield quite the financial clout that they did in 2000 when they signed free agents Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill and made a serious run at Tim Duncan, but still the Orlando Magic are armed with enough resources to make this a highly productive offseason.

The NBA's free-agent period, often a make or break time for teams seemingly on the cusp like Orlando, opens Tuesday. Teams can court, pamper and negotiate contracts with free agents for the next two-plus weeks, but those players can't officially sign until July 16.

Orlando didn't have the cap room to make much of a splash the past two summers, but does possess enough financial muscle to be a big player on the free-agent market this go around. And because the Magic have not won a playoff series since 1996, even blowing a 3-1 lead this spring against Detroit, there is a noticeable sense of urgency in dramatically improving the team.

Most importantly, the Magic have assurances from management that if general manager John Gabriel and head coach Doc Rivers can convince a difference-maker of a free agent to sign, the money will be available. That wasn't the case last July when potential deals with forward Keon Clark and guard Travis Best were quashed at the 11th hour because of fears of straying into the luxury tax, a dollar-for-dollar penalty for teams whose payrolls exceed a certain threshold set by the NBA.

"When ownership is losing money, you tend to look at things a little differently," said Magic president Bob Vander Weide, referring to the team's cost-conscious ways of the past two years. "But where we are today, breaking even again, that sort of changes things. We're in this for the long haul. We're not walking away from this. We're going to find a way to win and find a way to add players around Tracy (McGrady), Drew (Gooden), Gordan (Giricek) and Pat (Garrity)."

Also, for the first time since Hill signed, the Magic are hoping to get something out of his salary slot. With Hill expected to miss at least a major portion of the season following a fourth surgery on his left ankle, Orlando has applied to the NBA for a medical exception. Precedent seems to suggest the Magic will get it sometime in the next two weeks, giving them $4.8 million to offer a free agent or use in a trade.

San Antonio, Denver, Utah, Miami and the Los Angeles Clippers are the teams under the salary cap and should be the key players in the sweepstakes for top free agents Jason Kidd, Jermaine O'Neal and Gary Payton. But the Magic's combination of the $4.8 million medical exception, the $4.8 million "middle class exception," a $1.5 million veteran exception and the lure of playing alongside of McGrady could give them more weapons than any of the other teams over the NBA's salary cap.

"This is absolutely the year to have it," Magic coach Doc Rivers said of the team's financial clout. "We have a chance to be really good and make a huge jump. Drew (Gooden) and Gordie (Giricek) are young and Tracy (McGrady) is still pretty young, but we have a chance to really make a big jump by adding good guys around them."

So who, you ask, are the Magic targeting in free agency? Teams are barred from talking about specific players until Tuesday, but many of the free agents seem to match the Magic's needs perfectly.Craving Clippers


Clippers swingman Lamar Odom is high on the Magic's wish list because, like McGrady, he can play three different positions and has gobs of potential. The one snag is that the 6-foot-10 forward is a restricted free agent, meaning the Clippers can match any offer other teams make. But Elton Brand, Michael Olowokandi, Corey Maggette and Andre Miller are all free agents and notoriously cheap Clippers aren't expected to sign all of them. Still, the Magic are somewhat at the mercy of the Clippers.

"If things broke perfectly, there are some good things that could happen for us," Rivers said. "But certain teams out there have to act normal and that's kind of scary for us right now."

Olowokandi, a 7-1 center who was the top pick in the 1998 draft, isn't expected to return to the Clippers after a tempestuous season in Los Angeles. His rebounding and back-to-the-basket skills would fit nicely in Orlando. Los Angeles also seemed to indicate that Olowokandi was gone, taking center Chris Kaman with the sixth pick of Thursday's NBA Draft.

Noted Gabriel: "You can really read into the way some teams drafted as to what they might do in free agency."

The Magic also had targeted San Antonio's Speedy Claxton as a player who could come in and be a starter right away. But quietly the Magic fear that Claxton's impressive play during the NBA Finals in relief of starter Tony Parker could have driven Claxton's price up too high.

Juwan Howard isn't expected to return to Denver, but the Los Angeles Lakers or his hometown Chicago Bulls are reportedly his favorite choices to play next season. The 6-9, 260-pound Howard played tremendous in a trying situation last season, averaging 18.4 points and 7.6 rebounds on a Nuggets team that won just 17 games.

New Orleans' P.J. Brown has long been a favorite of Gabriel's and Brown has spoken in the past of his desire to someday play in Orlando. But at 239 pounds, Brown is more of a power forward than a center and the Magic already have Drew Gooden locked into their lineup. Also, there are questions about how much Brown has left to offer at 33 years old.

"It certainly has to be the right player," Vander Weide said. "We already have three or four young pieces of our team in place and we can't express our desire right now for looking to veterans. We want to build with what we have. I just don't know if it makes sense to chase 33- or 34-year-old players."

Pressure's off

Gabriel said that the Magic's success in Thursday's draft took some of the pressure off the upcoming free-agent period. Orlando was able to upgrade its size at the point when it snagged Louisville's Reece Gaines with the 15th pick. Orlando then selected 6-11 power forward Zaur "Zaza" Pachulia with the 42nd pick and gave Milwaukee $225,000 for the draft rights to Kentucky shooting guard Keith Bogans.

"It's gone according to script so far," said Gabriel, who still wants to sign a veteran point guard to lighten the load on Gaines. "The benefits of the draft will take some pressure off ourselves in terms of positional needs. It's hard to go in and say we need three positions and let's go get them all. But we feel good about getting a point guard and a backup shooting guard. Now we just need to complement those picks in free agency."

In the past, the Magic have tried to strike early in free agency. In 2000, they had Hill and Duncan at their headquarters on the afternoon of July 1 and courted them with lavish tours of the city. In 2001, Gabriel and Rivers showed up on the doorstep of power forward Antonio Davis' house in southwest Orlando at 12:01 a.m. of July 1.

But after watching the market sag last summer and seeing several free agents sign for less than expected, the Magic might alter their plans this summer. The likely scenario is that the Magic will make contact with their favorite free agents early Tuesday, have prospective signees in soon after that and then wait to let the market dictate how much money players are worth.

"We were the first ones in with Horace (Grant in 1994) and he toured around with teams and came back to us," Gabriel said. "We did the same thing with T-Mac and Grant (in 2000). But the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) may work in our favor to wait this summer. Last year taught us that there was still good value out there until August because things just kind of drug out. It was a definitely a buyer's market last year."

Regardless of the approach, it expects to be another active summer for the Magic.

"It has to be the right people that you are spending the money on," said Magic chief operating officer John Weisbrod. "But if we come to the conclusion that there are two guys out there that are worth it and their additions can be the difference between winning and losing, we're not ruling out the possibility of going into the tax."
 
Originally posted by Guey_34
Tige: Orlando does not have the cap room... end of story. O'Neal is not going to take 6 million from Orlando when he can get a long-term deal at Indiana with a base-salary of 13 million. IMO, if everything went right for them, Indiana would be the only team who could challenge the West big guns, with their excellent depth. This could have happened as soon as this year if Ron Artest's head was straight. O'Neal is the the man in Indiana, which he would not be in Orlando or San Antonio. All logic points to him staying put. I'd be willing to put money on it.

And while you mention it, Jod wasn't the only person thinking Washington could at least make the finals in the Leastern conference... pretty much everyone was. Hindsight is magnificent.

Thankyou....
 
Originally posted by Guey_34
And while you mention it, Jod wasn't the only person thinking Washington could at least make the finals in the Leastern conference... pretty much everyone was. Hindsight is magnificent.

Difference between saying they could make it, and saying they will make it?

In fact, i'm sure jod even guaranteed it. Like he did the year before.
 
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Difference between saying they could make it, and saying they will make it?

In fact, i'm sure jod even guaranteed it. Like he did the year before.

Thank you :D
 

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Originally posted by tige19
Thank you :D

Ah... so the fact that Jod (and many others), were wrong about the Wizards disproves the fact that Jermaine O'Neal will remain in Indiana next year?

Sure, I'll accept that.











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Originally posted by Guey_34
Ah... so the fact that Jod (and many others), were wrong about the Wizards disproves the fact that Jermaine O'Neal will remain in Indiana next year?

Sure, I'll accept that.











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OK right jump to conclusions, so if someone disagrees with what you think on a matter it is wrong??? grow up
Also who are the many others who predicted Washington to make the playoffs???
 
Originally posted by tige19
OK right jump to conclusions, so if someone disagrees with what you think on a matter it is wrong??? grow up

There is no conflict of opinions here, as I don't have one. I was simply presenting you with the facts.

I asked you present me with a scenario that would see Gordan Giricek traded, and thus Jermaine O'Neal would come to Orlando. Infact, I'd be glad if you did. All you've presented thus far is innuendo, I'm not stopping you from showing some evidence.

If you don't want to do so, that's fine... we'll agree to disagree, but it's not happening.
 
We are definately long shots for the signature of Jermaine, so be it.

We can clear cap room to get him but we then sacrifice a hellavalota depth which we dont have anyway!!

Brad Miller or Nestrovich would be good also, if we get Odom....

Just a defensive Center is all we need with Hunter, ZaZa and Kasun for added depth, so even a Foyle or Jerome James or Dampier is all im asking for so long as Maggette or Odom come to Disneyworld!!

I still love the position Orlando is in either with Jermaine or without!! Lots of options.
 
Originally posted by Guey_34
There is no conflict of opinions here, as I don't have one. I was simply presenting you with the facts.

I asked you present me with a scenario that would see Gordan Giricek traded, and thus Jermaine O'Neal would come to Orlando. Infact, I'd be glad if you did. All you've presented thus far is innuendo, I'm not stopping you from showing some evidence.

If you don't want to do so, that's fine... we'll agree to disagree, but it's not happening.

I have never said that Orlando will sign Jneal i just said that we have as much chance as say i think about 3 or 4 other teams and i also provided you with how we could make room for him to come in.
eg there is quite a chance that Armstrong wont continue with Orlando as it has been said on the website and that will free up around 6-7 mill also with the Medical exception at a Maximum of 6 Mill and some wheeling and dealing with another lower profile
player (Girciek,Sasser,Hunter) there could possibly be room.
But Guey i never said once that Orlando will sign him hell i dont even think we will all i said is that we have as good chance as any to get his signature that is all.

cheers
 
Originally posted by Tigerbob
I still love the position Orlando is in either with Jermaine or without!! Lots of options.
We have more. *insert loud dictatorship laugh here*:p
 
Having been away from my PC for a few days with no other access to Draft information I am, as a Celtics fan, pretty happy.

They have filled a real need with a point guard who, I hear, went very well in try outs and in Perkins have someone who may well be a very fine player down the line.

I've seen Jones play and although I think he could have a decent NBA career he wasn't a need in Beantown. If I had seen the draft live (or pre trades) I might not have been pleased.

The Sonics did well and the Kandiman will be on the first thing smoking out of town.

Lampe is also being held back by FIBA I understand - probably won't be seen in the NBA for three years some say.

More thoughts may come.
 

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Hinrich is a good player but no way he shouldve been kept by the Bulls.

He cannot play very well off the ball.. hes a pure PG.. hes a good 3 pt shooter, but in College he didnt have to guard 6'6-6'8 SG's with crazy athleticism like he has to in the NBA.

Its going to force Jamal to guard SG'S which means we lose the advantage of having a massive pure Point (Jamal is 6'5.5).

The Bulls are going to play the triangle more this year, hopefully it will work because you wont have to have a pure point in the line up in that offence (were going to have 2), but still.

People around the states comparing Kirk to Paxson, I think Kirk is a much better player. I wouldve prefered Pietrus or Hayes.

With Scottie back (we shouldve signed Posey) Kirk is going to have to battle with Mason for back up minutes in the back-court.

In my opinion Winners of the draft

1. Cavs - Lebron no need to say no more, and Kapono will make a nice pro, something like Tracy Murray.

2. Knicks - Sweets is a poor mans Elton Brand, but Lampe is a crazy steal at that selection.. and who knows what Vranes will turn out like.

3. Suns - Zarko is an amazing steal, top 10 talent.. and once Barbosa works out how to shoot a basketball not off his chest hes going to be a good back up at Point, something Suns definately needed.

Poor Carmelo... Denver.... Shouldve signed Gilbert, Carmelo is going to have to score night in night out or else they are in trouble.
 
I don't think there was a good enough wing prospect for the Bulls to take at #7. Pietrus is by all reports, has shown to be very, very raw offensively this summer. He's got time on his side, I guess though.

I think the bottom line is, the Bulls needed to start winning this season, and couldn't afford to take another project type player. The answer being Scottie Pippen, who will provide far superior veteran leadership (something James Posey wouldn't provide) to Jalen Rose and can play three positions. I don't think Crawford will need to guard the 2 spot all that often, given that they have Pippen and Rose capable of that, with Hassell being the defensive stopper off the bench.

Carbarkapa could very well be one of the biggest steals of late. I think he's ready to contribute coem opening day, it's just a shame that chance of him landing a starting point at some point is pretty much zero - unless he proves that he's an option at centre.

On Denver, I agree that they should've signed Arenas - Kiki wouldn't sign him for 9 million per but, would sign Miller for 8 million! :eek: Chances are Denver will land a Stephen Jackson or Lamar Odom before free agency season is through, so Carmelo won't have to score too much. Skita is tearing up Summer League, so he could very well be ready to contribute this season. In the end, the future of the franchise rested on the shoulders of Carmelo, Nene and Skita more than it did their free agent acquisitions.
 
Looking back at last years draft thread.

Some excellent comments, and some shockers (including myself and Carmelo thinking the Bulls erred with Hinrich, and every man and his dog talking up Delfino).
 
It took me up to about december, but I finally came around to Frodo, he was a great selection by Pax.

Can someone tell me how the Magic had a chance at Jermaine..
 
Good

Originally posted by mattyc2422
The Mavs got a steal in Josh Howard.


Bad

On the Bell/Jones and Banks/Perkins trade:

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Thank god for that.

At least we've managed to get something else to go along with yet another PG.

We desperately needed an athletic 2 guard, and we got that in Jones.


Originally posted by mattyc2422
Carlos Defino. Very classy Argentine who will do very well in the NBA. Mark my words.

Originally posted by Guey_34
I do not doubt that Dahntay Jones will be an excellent player, and nothing is to say he will be lesser than Pietrus.

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
don't like Chicago's pick.

Ugly


Originally posted by mattyc2422

Miami - Dwyane Wade.
I don't understand this one. A combo guard that struggles to run the offense? Is that really what the Heat need to improve?

Originally posted by Guey_34
Zaur Pachulia is a bloody good pick for the Magic, and could feasibly be the starting centre come the first game

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Hinrich is a good player but no way he shouldve been kept by the Bulls.
 

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I now know why all the shoe companies are quick to sign up rookies - Because they are so damn cool to watch. Some of my fav rookies, or young players - Dwayne Wayde, Marcus Banks, Marquis Daniels, Josh Howard, Kirk Hinrich, and the 3-point shooter for 76ers, not sure of his name but he looks like Aston Kutcher. Of course Melo, Amare and LeBron are already superstars.
 
Kyle Korver.

Oh and whilst i'm at it, welcome to the Basketball Board. What team do you support?
 
I remember being disappointed that the Spurs passed up on Howard and let his slip to the Mavs. Bad move.
 
Thanks for the welcome, this will be my new home if that's fine with you, have only just found this board today. I follow whichever team T-Mac plays for, I use to follow the Knicks when Ewing played. Who do you follow?
 
Memphis.

Quite possibly the only Grizz fan in Australia.

You're more than welcome here. Always good to get some fresh opinions, amidst our little group of Bball tragics.
 

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