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Elite Crow said:
You didn’t love Otten last year? Mackay? Douglas?

We are sitting equal 8th with the most games lost to injury and second for players missing from our top 10. Thats pretty commendable and remember just a couple of weeks back you excused our loss because we had 7 of our top 10 players out.

No club nails every pick let alone rookies but if one clubs has excelled with late picks and rookies it’s us.

And what you continue to ignore is the impact of the loss of 2 first and second rounders due to our admin, but because we didn’t get Burton you hang everything on Hamish. You’re bloody annoying.
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Told you I don't love any player its about a premiership I will say who is better on our list but that doesn't mean we have a good list

SA talent is clearly something we should consider every time for the bleading obvious reasons
 

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CrowBloke said:
o_O
I'm notorious for taking things literally, but even I could see that was satire (look at the thread's opening post again).
:D
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Ok, with the exception of the single post explicitly targeting being positive, where else on this board are people singing the praises of the club and getting all excited about the good stuff going on right now?
 
Thegibbsgamble said:
We are finding out how much cameron, Smith and lever meant to us.
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Smith, definitely, but he'll return :thumbsu: which is an upside :).
CC wanted to move closer to home/rellies and played a blinder every 4 or 5 games. The difference between his best (eg 2017 PF) and worst (a week later) made him an inconsistent liability, imo. We just never knew which CC was going to show up.
Lever, nah, not. Lever's priority was/is $s and more $s. Doedee is an excellent replacement and will only get better. If we paid JL squillions to stay and he did that ACL, this Board would vaporise from the melts. I wouldn't wish that injury on anyone, but we're better off without Lever.
 
Coopers said:
where else on this board are people singing the praises of the club and getting all excited about the good stuff going on right now?
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I don't know. You tell me. o_O
I haven't posted anything that supports the thread, or that satirical reply. Just saying ... :)
 
CrowBloke said:
I don't know. You tell me. o_O
I haven't posted anything that supports the thread, or that satirical reply. Just saying ... :)
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Well, hang on, the onus isn't on me to provide evidence for someone else's (SugarShane) assertion... which I don't even agree with.

Right now we are a quagmire of depressed middle aged keyboard warriors. Jumping down OP's throat for single "let's all remember there are bunnies and hugs and rainbows and shit in this world" post seems unnecessary, as it represents something like 0.001% of the current content this board.
 
Coopers said:
Well, hang on ...
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... yourself.
Take it out on Sugarshane if you want. Leave me out of it.
All I did was comment that it was (obviously) satire.
I disagree with this, though:
Coopers said:
Right now we are a quagmire of depressed middle aged keyboard warriors
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I'm disgruntled more than depressed and not middle-aged. :D
 

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CrowBloke said:
... yourself.
Take it out on Sugarshane if you want. Leave me out of it.
All I did was comment that it was (obviously) satire.
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My post was indeed satire, but probably not actually all that funny and bit overboard, aimed at the notion of having one thread for negative nellies. I have no problem with positive posts. I do have a problem with people being told how and where to post though. Apart from that admittedly lame post, you won't see me telling people how to post because it's not my business.

We're in a rough period, and for some of us, this is the only place we can let out genuine frustration with like minded people. Of course negativity is going to be quite common when we're 11 rounds removed from an embarrassment on the national stage and sitting 9th. But suggesting that anyone wanting to be negative goes to their own little thread is just ridiculous. Who decides what's negative? Do we need two game day threads? One for praising everything and one for getting upset in the heat of a game and being "negative"? Are we not allowed to suggest fitness staff be looked at as it would imply poor performance? Those are silly suggestions, just as OP's was.
 
Our drafting and trading was lauded last year - but this year apparently we are garbage. Other clubs want our players and are prepared to pay for them (TWO picks for Lever?, Pick 12 for Charlie?) but apparently our culture is terrible.

Anyway get some players back and we will win games and this thread can be parked until our next loss.
 
SugarShane said:
Those are silly suggestions, just as OP's was.
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OK,
but I'll say --- again --- I didn't post anything to praise the thread, or criticise Coopers . Someone took Coopers literally. I even had a little dig at myself, pointed out it was satire, confirmed later.
SugarShane said:
We're in a rough period, and for some of us, this is the only place we can let out genuine frustration with like minded people. Of course negativity is going to be quite common when we're 11 rounds removed from an embarrassment on the national stage and sitting 9th. But suggesting that anyone wanting to be negative goes to their own little thread is just ridiculous.
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OK, we're in a rough period, mostly caused by a spate of (probably preventable) hamstring injuries. People are right to point the finger at Hass, whose prime failure is Gibson, who came here supremely fit (as he was with NM for 130 consecutive, hammie-injury-free games). After a pre-season under Hass, Gibson does a hamstring and that would take some serious doing. Some serious mismanagement, as well as the other Crows players who copped it. I asked several times in here whether that was from making them do too much, or too little, but have not been given a solid answer. Either way, Hass is incompetent.
As for "an embarrassment on the national stage", everybody knows that we've been decimated by injuries. I'm not embarrassed, are you? Is Pyke embarrassed? Doubt it. Who then?
It's a game, not life and death. We're following a game and supporting a footy team.
Your reply above struck me as reasonable. You didn't rave (but some do), you didn't attack, denigrate, insult or personally abuse (but some do) and you didn't reply with anger or utter hopelessness (as many do) as if it's the end of the world.
I suspect it's those kinds of negativity, that over-the-top, sack-everybody, Pyke-is-hopeless, this-club-is-terrible, relentlessly petty and illogical and abusive whingers that beartoo was talking about.

Lastly, about Pyke, he's the only one since Blight to take us to a third GF, and a PF before that. Nobody else has that PF/GF record in their first 2 years with us, surpassed only by Blight, The Master.
That's pretty bloody good and he has my support. Before anybody steps in to remind me that we lost that GF:
--- which is worse, to lose a GF or not even make one? Give credit, where it's due.
--- we lost Smith and Gov at the worst time (not Pyke's fault)
--- the Lever mess was probably more disruptive and divisive than any of us will ever know, for certain. Maybe it'll all come out in a tell-all autobiography when Tex retires. I'd love to know!
The team was split into three factions; those who didn't care about Lever, those who supported him and those who were furious that he was going. NOT Pyke's fault. By contrast, Richmond were in their best form of 2017, buoyed by Dusty's re-signing, his MVP and Brownlow and by Cotchin being able to play (shit MRP decision), not missing 2 of their best players, and united by relentless pressure and team purpose.
We made the 2017 GF and 16 other teams didn't. That is an achievement, better than 1999-2016 inclusive.
We lost that GF. marty36 and others, get over it.

* a little :$ at being such a :shoutyoldman:* ;)
 
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CrowBloke said:
... yourself.
Take it out on Sugarshane if you want. Leave me out of it.
All I did was comment that it was (obviously) satire.
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SugarShane said:
My post was indeed satire, but probably not actually all that funny and bit overboard, aimed at the notion of having one thread for negative nellies. I have no problem with positive posts. I do have a problem with people being told how and where to post though. Apart from that admittedly lame post, you won't see me telling people how to post because it's not my business.
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So are we arguing in agreement or some shit then?
I have to admit to finding it hard to argue with you guys if you're going to be reasonable.

It's so uninternety.
 

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CrowBloke said:
OK,
but I'll say --- again --- I didn't post anything to praise the thread, or criticise Coopers . Someone took Coopers literally. I even had a little dig at myself, pointed out it was satire, confirmed later.

OK, we're in a rough period, mostly caused by a spate of (probably preventable) hamstring injuries. People are right to point the finger at Hass, whose prime failure is Gibson, who came here supremely fit (as he was with NM for 130 consecutive, hammie-injury-free games). After a pre-season under Hass, Gibson does a hamstring and that would take some serious doing. Some serious mismanagement, as well as the other Crows players who copped it. I asked several times in here whether that was from making them do too much, or too little, but have not been given a solid answer. Either way, Hass is incompetent.
As for "an embarrassment on the national stage", everybody knows that we've been decimated by injuries. I'm not embarrassed, are you? Is Pyke embarrassed? Doubt it. Who then?
It's a game, not life and death. We're following a game and supporting a footy team.
Your reply above struck me as reasonable. You didn't rave (but some do), you didn't attack, denigrate, insult or personally abuse (but some do) and you didn't reply with anger or utter hopelessness (as many do) as if it's the end of the world.
I suspect it's those kinds of negativity, that over-the-top, sack-everybody, Pyke-is-hopeless, this-club-is-terrible, relentlessly petty and illogical and abusive whingers that beartoo was talking about.

Lastly, about Pyke, he's the only one since Blight to take us to a third GF, and a PF before that. Nobody else has that PF/GF record in their first 2 years with us, surpassed only by Blight, The Master.
That's pretty bloody good and he has my support. Before anybody steps in to remind me that we lost that GF:
--- which is worse, to lose a GF or not even make one? Give credit, where it's due.
--- we lost Smith and Gov at the worst time (not Pyke's fault)
--- the Lever mess was probably more disruptive and divisive than any of us will ever know, for certain. Maybe it'll all come out in a tell-all autobiography when Tex retires. I'd love to know!
The team was split into three factions; those who didn't care about Lever, those who supported him and those who were furious that he was going. NOT Pyke's fault. By contrast, Richmond were in their best form of 2017, buoyed by Dusty's re-signing, his MVP and Brownlow and by Cotchin being able to play (shit MRP decision), not missing 2 of their best players, and united by relentless pressure and team purpose.
We made the 2017 GF and 16 other teams didn't. That is an achievement, better than 1999-2016 inclusive.
We lost that GF. marty36 and others, get over it.

* a little :$ at being such a :shoutyoldman:* ;)
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Don’t call me into your argument and to be pissed at the club doesn’t come from just a GF

We haven’t been able to win a premiership in 20 years so it’s getting to a stage where the club needs to take a good hard look at itself

Is

The board responsible. Yes
Is the coach responsible yes
Is fagan responsible yes
Are the players responsible yes
Is whoever put the list together responsible yes
Are the fitness staff responsible yes

Or should we say we will get better

We are on the decline it’s hard to argue that


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marty36 said:
1) Don’t call me into your argument and 2) to be pissed at the club doesn’t come from just a GF. 3) We haven’t been able to win a premiership in 20 years so it’s getting to a stage where the club needs to take a good hard look at itself. 4) Is ... The board responsible. Yes [etc] 5) We are on the decline it’s hard to argue that
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Thanks for a reasonable, non-abusive response, appreciated :thumbsu:.
1) I didn't call you in as much as let you know you got a mention, since you've been one of the most outspokenly negative and extreme critics. No insult intended.
2) There are many things I'm pissed off about too, not just the GF loss. My current whinge is about our soft-tissue injuries and underperforming players like Mackay. There are ways to express that annoyance/disappointment without hate/vitriol or personal, abusive attacks on players or posters in here eg Mackay strikes me as a nice bloke, maybe too-nice to play tough, aggressive, mongrel AFL footy. Ditto, Atkins who's shown a clear aversion to physical contact and hard tackling. IF I was coach/selector I would not have played Mackay this week solely on the back of his last 2 games. This reasoning by selectors: "We can't drop Mackay even though he's playing badly because we'd have to replace him with a less experienced bloke and it might weaken the team blah blah" is crappy. Dropping Mackay might wake him up and give another younger, keener bloke a chance to prove himself. It's win-win.
3) I agree, and saying: "so it’s getting to a stage where the club needs to take a good hard look at itself" is much more reasonable than saying the Club/players/Coach/Fagan are shit/useless/terrible. Fwiw, I think the Club did just that in appointing Walsh (RIP) then Pyke. Just out of curiosity, who would you have appointed Coach for 2015 then 2016 from the contenders available? (not a rhetorical question)
I thought Walsh, now Pyke were the best candidates. Again fwiw, I'd prefer Blight, Matthews or Clarkson, but they're no chance.
4) Plural, ie 20 years of Boards, Coaches, players, Fitness Staff etc. It varies, year to year.
Hey, blame where it's due (eg why Hass has not been sacked is beyond me), but credit where it's due, too. It's not ALL bad, but so many of your posts are just doom & gloom.
5) Our record under Pyke is impressive, PF in 2016, GF in 2017. Of current coaches, his winning % is second only to Longmire. It's too early to say we're "on the decline" after 11 rounds packed with injuries and changing teams nearly every week. No point comparing us now to Round 11, 2017 (we're 9th now, but were top a year ago) because of the spate of injuries we've had. Different personnel, too.
We won't know his final record until Pyke's tenure is over. Without the injuries, our best-25 would have made us Top 4 contenders again, but that looks gone now.

Finally, there's nothing wrong with saying "we will get better" especially IF our injured top-10 players return from injury. Whether that's just a hope and not a reality, time will tell.
 
Rotayjay said:
As if negative threads aren't warranted in a time like this.

This is a once-in-a-generation flag window being squandered. That is a big deal, and it is not positive.
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All true. The main point is that too much negativity creates more harm than good. Issues such as relentless accusations and paranoia against the club (some of it will likely be true, some of it likely unwarranted), and relentless whipping of the whipping boys, may serve to put the club on notice, but it can create over the top stress on the club. Negative feedback is always welcome, but sympathy should not be deserted entirely on the club for what we've been through in recent years.

Furthermore, I'd argue too much negative emotions and thoughts will likely lead to problems for the fans/members. Conditions like hypertension and diabetes are more likely to occur if undue stress is happening all the time. Some times it's ok to tell ourselves "maybe I need to chill out and smell some fresh air and feel some sunshine".
 
Elite Crow said:
How did we and Port get those premierships? Ever heard of start up concessions?

How long has Hamish been at the club?
What are the draft picks he has had to work with?

Without acknowledging those 2 questions you just sound like a repetitive dill.

As for staff, I’d be getting rid of Burton, Chapman and even Roo before I moved on Hamish.
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I'd have Hamish behind every other person employed by the club.
 

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