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[panthers]

FWIW my mail is that GUY MCKENNA was interviewed yesterday for the coaching position at the Adelaide Football Club

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by panthers
FWIW my mail is that GUY MCKENNA was interviewed yesterday for the coaching position at the Adelaide Football Club

A) I would believe the clubs integrity would have ensured it did not happen.
B) I would believe Mckenna would not have agreed to talk mid-season.

 

[panthers]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
A) I would believe the clubs integrity would have ensured it did not happen.
B) I would believe Mckenna would not have agreed to talk mid-season.

The ADELAIDE football club has NO integrity Never has have a look what they did to cornse and shaw Even Blight walked out on them

AND u wouldnt have a clue what guy mckenna would or would not do

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by panthers
The ADELAIDE football club has NO integrity Never has have a look what they did to cornse and shaw Even Blight walked out on them

AND u wouldnt have a clue what guy mckenna would or would not do

Not worth responding, you obviously have a huge chip on your shoulder - go snipe at another club

 

[brucetiki]

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Originally posted by panthers
The ADELAIDE football club has NO integrity Never has have a look what they did to cornse and shaw Even Blight walked out on them

AND u wouldnt have a clue what guy mckenna would or would not do

Unfortuantely, I have to agree with this after today's shambles.

I say we now sack Fantasia as recruting manager because he has done a fantastic job...NOT. This was the clown that sucked us into getting the likes of David Gallager and Laurence Anguin. If we want youth, we have to get rid of Fantasia, and I would have made that a bigger priority that sacking Ayres!

 

[panthers]

HEAR BLOODY HEAR Bruce
and waynes world.................. nup no chips on my shoulders mate

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by panthers
FWIW my mail is that GUY MCKENNA was interviewed yesterday for the coaching position at the Adelaide Football Club

I think your "mail" comes from the rumour file on 5AA.

Half of Adelaide heard that caller on the radio with that rumour this morning.

What did they do - interview McKenna at half-time yesterday??

 

[panthers]

Actually macca 23 i wouldnt listen to that radio station if u paid me. No i have heard it through VERY reliable sources
And no the interviewed him sunday morning

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by brucetiki
Fantasia ... This was the clown that sucked us into getting the likes of David Gallager and Laurence Anguin.

Your credibility went right out the window there because it is well documented and widely known that James Fantasia was AGAINST drafting Angwin

 

[Stiffy_18]

panters, go and spread your crap on the Port board.

 

[brucetiki]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
it is well documented and widely known that James Fantasia was AGAINST drafting Angwin

Ok, I'll give you that one (I wasn't aware of that, my bad).

Still, he has done an ordinary job overall as recruiting manager. He has to go, or we're still going to have the same problems with developing youth regardless of whether we have Neil Craig or Terry Wallace or Harbijan Singh as coach!

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by brucetiki
Ok, I'll give you that one (I wasn't aware of that, my bad).

Still, he has done an ordinary job overall as recruiting manager. He has to go, or we're still going to have the same problems with developing youth regardless of whether we have Neil Craig or Terry Wallace or Harbijan Singh as coach!

I posted this in the other thread regarding Fantasia so I will paste it here as well

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
On James Fantasia, I would like see how he goes this year. I think his role is the one where he will cop a lot of flack when it might not be entirely his fault. Clear example of this is the Angwin scenario. A wise recruiter once said that "You're only as good a recruiting manager as the network of people you have around you". Personally, I don't think our scouts are of high quality and the club has started adressing this by appointing John Turnbull earlier in the year.

Regarding your statement about developing youngsters, my #1 priority would be to get a development coach like Jonas in to develop those youngsters. I think its clear that we have talented youngsters but for some reason they have not developed as well as they should have. Wouldn't be quick to give Fantasia the sack just yet. See how he performs this year with his "new" network of scouts and make an assessment on his work next year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Regarding your statement about developing youngsters, my #1 priority would be to get a development coach like Jonas in to develop those youngsters. I think its clear that we have talented youngsters but for some reason they have not developed as well as they should have. Wouldn't be quick to give Fantasia the sack just yet. See how he performs this year with his "new" network of scouts and make an assessment on his work next year.

It gets back to how much influence the coach has over recruiting decisions.

Wallace was talking about the North melbourne ruckman (forget his name) recently, stating he and the Bulldogs recruiting manager tossed over continuasly his merits V Sam Power. Wallace wanted Power, the recruiting manager wanted the NM ruckman.

Wallace got his way.

I would believe the recruiting manager brings the coaches recruiting options to the table, but ultimately the coach makes decisions in the 50/50 situations.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
It gets back to how much influence the coach has over recruiting decisions.

Wallace was talking about the North melbourne ruckman (forget his name) recently, stating he and the Bulldogs recruiting manager tossed over continuasly his merits V Sam Power. Wallace wanted Power, the recruiting manager wanted the NM ruckman.

Wallace got his way.

I would believe the recruiting manager brings the coaches recruiting options to the table, but ultimately the coach makes decisions in the 50/50 situations.

I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this in the past as well when it comes to our pick at draft the coach has the final say on who he wants. Recruiting manager is there to offer his opinion but the coach makes the final pick.

I think you must be refering to David Hale because IIRC Sam Power was drafted in 2001 draft and David Hale was picked up by Kangaroos.

I still find that a bit of a worrying sign that Wallace went for a running player despite needing a mojor infusion of height in his squad. However, I think Hale might have been picked before Power in that draft. Happy to be corrected.

 

[DaveW]

Hale @ 7; Power @ 10 ... maybe they were discussing it before the Roos pick?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I couldn't agree more. I have been saying this in the past as well when it comes to our pick at draft the coach has the final say on who he wants. Recruiting manager is there to offer his opinion but the coach makes the final pick.

I think you must be refering to David Hale because IIRC Sam Power was drafted in 2001 draft and David Hale was picked up by Kangaroos.

I still find that a bit of a worrying sign that Wallace went for a running player despite needing a mojor infusion of height in his squad. However, I think Hale might have been picked before Power in that draft. Happy to be corrected.

Your right it was Hale, and I think (stand to be corrected) Bulldogs chose b4 NM.

Your right though how does a club in desperate need of height go for another midfielder, both with the same approx developmental period?

The bulldogs did it again this year by ignoring talls and going for midfielders and again a skinny one in Farren Ray?

What happened to develop your spine, then apply the flesh.
They, or their recruiting maintain pick the best available.

But the to contridict they pick Rawlings over Stevens?

 

[DaveW]

They picked up Rawlings in the PSD and Street in the trading period, so that added a bit of needed height.

With picks 1 and 4, I think it was just a matter of taking the best players available rather than picking a tall.

They went for a tall at pick 4 the previous year in Tim Walsh; which may not prove to be the best move.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Hale @ 7; Power @ 10 ... maybe they were discussing it before the Roos pick?

I thought that was the case.

The only other tall ruckman to consider was Barry Brooks and he went @ 15 to Port. Brooks was considered the best ruckman in the draft and a definite top 10 pick. Maybe they were debating Brooks Vs Power selection.

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
The bulldogs did it again this year by ignoring talls and going for midfielders and again a skinny one in Farren Ray?

I have noticed a few times you having a bit of a dig at skinny kids and from the tone of your posts I sense you would always go for well build kids in the draft.

I can't say I agree. Kids at 17 or 18 are still developing and rarely are they build like tanks. I for one reckon Ray was a very worthy selection @4 because of his talent. He is a kid and a year or 2 in the weight room will see him have AFL body.

You pick kids on their ability not their weight. As long as they have the frame that enables them to put on weight you go for them. If they have the frame thats unlikely to fill out then you overlook them From what I have seen Ray has a frame that will fill out nicely with some weight training.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by DaveW
They picked up Rawlings in the PSD and Street in the trading period, so that added a bit of needed height.

With picks 1 and 4, I think it was just a matter of taking the best players available rather than picking a tall.

They went for a tall at pick 4 the previous year in Tim Walsh; which may not prove to be the best move.

Now your on my favourie subject - how bad were the bulldogs in last years draft.

They lost Brown correct for pick 6.
They eventually picked up Cooney, Ray, and Rawlings - lost 1 gained 3.
Rawlings with a dicky knee signs a 4 year contract - thats real smart

Could have been :
1. Cooney
4. Farren Ray
6. Kepler Bradley ( 10 year tall - sound body)

PS - Nick Stevens

Thats lose 1 gain 4

Which in your opinion was the better mix?

 

[macca23]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18


I for one reckon Ray was a very worthy selection @4 because of his talent. He is a kid and a year or 2 in the weight room will see him have AFL body.

I don't differ from you a lot Stiffy, but I will on this one.

I wouldn't have taken Farrren Ray in a mad fit at #4 with that puny little body of his when there were several other mid-fielders with much stronger bodies and just as much or more ability.

Time will tell, but I doubt that he will prove to be worthy of a #4 pick.

 

[DaveW]

Yeah WW - I felt the same way as you about the Rawlings deal at the time.

The Bulldogs effectively gave up pick 6, Mark Alvey & Nick Stevens for Rawlings & Veale.

I thought a high second rounder for Street was also strange. Although Street's been ok this year.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I have noticed a few times you having a bit of a dig at skinny kids and from the tone of your posts I sense you would always go for well build kids in the draft.

I can't say I agree. Kids at 17 or 18 are still developing and rarely are they build like tanks. I for one reckon Ray was a very worthy selection @4 because of his talent. He is a kid and a year or 2 in the weight room will see him have AFL body.

You pick kids on their ability not their weight. As long as they have the frame that enables them to put on weight you go for them. If they have the frame thats unlikely to fill out then you overlook them From what I have seen Ray has a frame that will fill out nicely with some weight training.

I think you aim to get the mix right, not always for well built kids, but yes definately a preference for the Brown typre of player.

Paul roos when discussing the loss of S. Stevens said that picking skinny KPP in th "hope" they'll fill out is a real gamble.
Skinny kids generally have not learn't to play a physical type of game (for obvious reasons).
We want some players in the team who inherently play hard physical football.

Take the Johnsons at Essendon. Can't imagine they were skinny juniors the way they play.
And I can't imagine Farren Ray ever playing a physical style of footy - can you

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by DaveW
Yeah WW - I felt the same way as you about the Rawlings deal at the time.

The Bulldogs effectively gave up pick 6, Mark Alvey & Nick Stevens for Rawlings & Veale.

I thought a high second rounder for Street was also strange. Although Street's been ok this year.

Yeah soory add Alvey to my post .
That means it should have been 1 lost 4 gained, and 1 retained (alvey)

 

[Stiffy_18]

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Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I think you aim to get the mix right, not always for well built kids, but yes definately a preference for the Brown typre of player.

Paul roos when discussing the loss of S. Stevens said that picking skinny KPP in th "hope" they'll fill out is a real gamble.
Skinny kids generally have not learn't to play a physical type of game (for obvious reasons).
We want some players in the team who inherently play hard physical football.

Take the Johnsons at Essendon. Can't imagine they were skinny juniors the way they play.
And I can't imagine Farren Ray ever playing a physical style of footy - can you

So by your reckoning we should have gone for Bill Morrison instead of Fergus Watts in last year's draft?????? Fergus was as skinny as they come when he was picked up in a draft while Morrison is a lad built like a tanks 193 cm / 95 kg and playing a physical type of game.

Blind Freddy can see that Scott Stevens has the frame that will never fill out properly. He is not built like a footballer. KPP and midfielders are entirely different cattle of fish. How skinny is Mattner yet he is one of the most physical players on our list. Cooney is built better than Ray but he is not the physical type. Tim Schmidt selected by Sydney in last year's draft is a skinny kid but he is tough as nails.

I would draft on talent all the time BUT they must have the frame that will fill out. Scott Stevens clearly doesn't have the frame that will fill out properly.