List Mgmt. New List Manager

[Rosscoe]

It would have been untenable for the club to have retained him with key relationships in the football department having broken down. You can continue to focus on the execution of SOS's exit whilst I am relieved the club had demonstrated a preparedness to make tough calls against a club champion.

That’s not what I said but

 

[Rosscoe]

It's presents as so amateur that maybe it's not.

What if SOS insisted that this be the reason used for his exit?
It makes for a much better 'look' for SOS than for questioning his ability, character etc.
Club could have said that it was a mutual decision but no one would have bought that and maybe they won't buy the COI either, but it does put a stop to further questioning to some degree, as has already been the case.

Maybe not, but just a theory.

they should of axed him mid year Hark’s..would’ve been a lot less drama

 

[DangerousD]

Was their relationship strained?

I was told SOSs attitude and behaviour towards BB in the time Jack wasn’t getting picked, didn’t make for a good working relationship.

after reading several times on here, that they didn’t get along, I formed the opinion the relationship was strained.

 

[Skull Face]

Yep, 2 wins and a wooden spoon, then 2 wins up the to bye...the perfect platform for record membership numbers.

Was has Liddle done to make anyone sign on as a member? I can't think of a single thing

 

[HARKER]

Was has Liddle done to make anyone sign on as a member? I can't think of a single thing

Planning, implementation of new methods, a likely rev-up of staff.
Liddle (the club) have already announced the goal of 75K for next year.
When have we done that previously and this is when we're finishing bottom of the table?

Say what one wants about Liddle but these numbers don't come about by way of luck.

 

[thylacine60]

this was the most amateur way of moving on a bloke who had done a good job for the club.

It’s embarrassing.

I'm not embarrassed.

 

[thylacine60]

Was has Liddle done to make anyone sign on as a member? I can't think of a single thing

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[Skull Face]

Planning, implementation of new methods, a likely rev-up of staff.
Liddle (the club) have already announced the goal of 75K for next year.
When have we done that previously and this is when we're finishing bottom of the table?

Say what one wants about Liddle but these numbers don't come about by way of luck.

Who cares what their public goal is for membership numbers, no one in their right mind is signing up to become a member because the club wants to get higher membership numbers, I am talking about what has he actually done to attract new members to the club.

The only notable things I have seen was the free membership upgrade last year that gained short term favour but in reality it was a scam to increase membership $$$ this year with automatic renewals.

 

[HARKER]

Who cares what their public goal is for membership numbers, no one in their right mind is signing up to become a member because the club wants to get higher membership numbers, I am talking about what has he actually done to attract new members to the club.

The only notable things I have seen was the free membership upgrade last year that gained short term favour but in reality it was a scam to increase membership $$$ this year with automatic renewals.

I look at facts -
56K to 65K = 16% growth
65K to 75K = 15.5% growth

Liddle outlined what he'd do when he joined us and I don't reside in Liddle's office to be able to tell you how he did it - but he's doing it.
What else do you need to know. You don't think it's luck do you? Looks like good business to me but you say it's a scam.

 

[Stamos]

I was told SOSs attitude and behaviour towards BB in the time Jack wasn’t getting picked, didn’t make for a good working relationship.

after reading several times on here, that they didn’t get along, I formed the opinion the relationship was strained.

It doesn’t necessarily follow that that was due to Jack not getting a game, though. Bolton did not coach well this year. It’s not hard to see that a list manager would get pissed off that the coach is stuffing up the rebuild.

 

[HARKER]

It doesn’t necessarily follow that that was due to Jack not getting a game, though. Bolton did not coach well this year. It’s not hard to see that a list manager would get pissed off that the coach is stuffing up the rebuild.

Exactly and which is why the whole Coach vs List Manager situation, will often bring about bad blood.
There are better ways and those ways will come about one day.

 

[DangerousD]

It doesn’t necessarily follow that that was due to Jack not getting a game, though. Bolton did not coach well this year. It’s not hard to see that a list manager would get pissed off that the coach is stuffing up the rebuild.

who knows, of course it’s possible, but that’s just what I was told, I’m sure there are many pieces to the puzzle.

if staff members are fans and have kids in and out of the side and disagree with the selections, game plan or anything else, then of course they might be pissed off.

but it’s not their job to do or say anything, if they did, it undermines the coach and his staff and goes outside their job description.

If their ill feeling had anything to do with Jack not getting picked, which is what I was told, then it exposes a huge conflict of interest.

 

[HARKER]

If their ill feeling had anything to do with Jack not getting picked, which is what I was told, then it exposes a huge conflict of interest.

SOS may well have been aggrieved that possibly Polson was getting a game ahead of Jack, but so what?

Was SOS on the match committee? He wasn't, therefore if he was disappointed, he would have been disappointed in more than Bolton alone.
What i'd want to know is - how would this disappointment manifest? Puffing out ones cheeks....a nasty glare....how? It wasn't his role to select squads

 

[Stamos]

If their ill feeling had anything to do with Jack not getting picked, which is what I was told, then it exposes a huge conflict of interest.

Although Jack is in our best team, and Bolts took us 1-11

 

[DangerousD]

SOS may well have been aggrieved that possibly Polson was getting a game ahead of Jack, but so what?

Was SOS on the match committee? He wasn't, therefore if he was disappointed, he would have been disappointed in more than Bolton alone.
What i'd want to know is - how would this disappointment manifest? Puffing out ones cheeks....a nasty glare....how? It wasn't his role to select squads

I have already posted that, SOSs behaviour and attitude to BB during the early part of the season put a strain on their relationship, I don’t know exactly how but you can use your own judgement to decide what you think happened.

so what? You don’t see the issue with a list manager with ties to the board being critical of the coaches selection or game plan.

you don’t see an issue with the father of two players, who’s the list manager having a poor relationship with the coach because he isn’t picking his kid?

what would have happened if 2 or 3 kids aren’t getting picked? Would SOS fall out with Teague if he decided Jack needed a stint in the 2s or wanted to trade him?

 

[DangerousD]

Although Jack is in our best team, and Bolts took us 1-11

neither of those points, make one bit of difference.
I was very critical of Bolton’s team selections and coaching and I think Jack is in our best, but not a lock. It’s irrelevant.

it sounds Like your saying it’s ok for a list manager to tell the coach who to pick, because you agree with him.

SOS job was list management and strategy. Nothing more

 

[Stamos]

it sounds Like your saying it’s ok for a list manager to tell the coach who to pick, because you agree with him.

I never said anything like that

 

[HARKER]

I have already posted that, SOSs behaviour and attitude to BB during the early part of the season put a strain on their relationship, I don’t know exactly how but you can use your own judgement to decide what you think happened.

so what? You don’t see the issue with a list manager with ties to the board being critical of the coaches selection or game plan.

you don’t see an issue with the father of two players, who’s the list manager having a poor relationship with the coach because he isn’t picking his kid?

what would have happened if 2 or 3 kids aren’t getting picked? Would SOS fall out with Teague if he decided Jack needed a stint in the 2s or wanted to trade him?

DD - I've been told a lot of things and some marry up to what amounts to sense and possibility and some things just don't.

Of course there was heat between the group, but good management would have handled the matter better than it was handled.
That's why I'm not blaming SOS, nor blaming Liddle, nor blaming Agresta, nor Lloyd - but I do blame the club for not managing the situation.

 

[DangerousD]

DD - I've been told a lot of things and some marry up to what amounts to sense and possibility and some things just don't.

Of course there was heat between the group, but good management would have handled the matter better than it was handled.
That's why I'm not blaming SOS, nor blaming Liddle, nor blaming Agresta, nor Lloyd - but I do blame the club for not managing the situation.

Agreed.

i also sometimes wonder what could have been done different?
There were no stories of unrest during the year, or they were at a minimum, I can only assume the club tried to sort something out but just couldn’t.

I would have hated to see the club airing dirty laundry in public

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Agreed.

i also sometimes wonder what could have been done different?
There were no stories of unrest during the year, or they were at a minimum, I can only assume the club tried to sort something out but just couldn’t.

I would have hated to see the club airing dirty laundry in public

Unfortunately, intentionally or not, I feel like our dirty laundry has already being exposed in the public, and although I think the club couldn't have done much more to try and contain the situation from a Public Relations point of view, I tend to agree with HARKER that it could, no, should have been handled better internally

Anyhow what is done is done, and I do Hope everyone at the footy club starts 2020 with a new slate And all factions who were pro SOS/anti Liddle (if there is any) let bygones be bygones, and start the new year and season on a fresh slate/canvass and no more grudges or personal recriminations after Steve Silvagni's exit.

I feel like we are on the cusp of something special at our footy club (with both the men and women's teams) and I would hate it if it was potentially sabotaged because we have highly influential people at the club Still harbouring a grudge or feud against others at the club (still have nightmares about the Collins/Smorgon regimes for all the political infighting)

Happily (or perhaps naively) it seems to me this doesn't seem to be the case currently, and (touch wood) everyone at the club is now on the same page.

Looking forward to welcoming our new recruiting/list managing overload at any rate.

#HappyBlueYear2020

 

[JustaBattler]

I look at facts -
56K to 65K = 16% growth
65K to 75K = 15.5% growth

Liddle outlined what he'd do when he joined us and I don't reside in Liddle's office to be able to tell you how he did it - but he's doing it.
What else do you need to know. You don't think it's luck do you? Looks like good business to me but you say it's a scam.

You have a naive view of business and list management as expressed by your many postings critical of SOS's approach to building a list.

No one buys 'growth' for 'growth's sake'. Liddle needs to build a sustainable membership base of 90K+ and that will rely on sustainable on field performance ie what Richmond declared of regular finals appearances.
His 'currency' with the Board is limited to his delivery of this base.
Good start - after 4 years of hard yards actually building enough to deliver some promise.
Your 'good business' declarations have to take into account his real task - the Board (quite rightly) didn't want a continuation of poor on field performance to derail membership growth and sustainable relevance - bye bye Bolton was an easy call and criticism of SOS's many failings at the same time - would have had a favourable hearing. Liddle and Co ar betting their duration on cleaning shop.

The whole management regime is on notice now - if 'a' SOS' can cop a chop - make no mistake - these blow in types with their waiter outfits are far more expendable - a New President wont have any allegiance to these blokes and already the CLub is putting in place alternative management expertise. Liddle and his mates better deliver otherwise they wont be sitting there for long.

Not a bad thing either.

 

[HARKER]

You have a naive view of business and list management as expressed by your many postings critical of SOS's approach to building a list.

No one buys 'growth' for 'growth's sake'. Liddle needs to build a sustainable membership base of 90K+ and that will rely on sustainable on field performance ie what Richmond declared of regular finals appearances.
His 'currency' with the Board is limited to his delivery of this base.
Good start - after 4 years of hard yards actually building enough to deliver some promise.
Your 'good business' declarations have to take into account his real task - the Board (quite rightly) didn't want a continuation of poor on field performance to derail membership growth and sustainable relevance - bye bye Bolton was an easy call and criticism of SOS's many failings at the same time - would have had a favourable hearing. Liddle and Co ar betting their duration on cleaning shop.

The whole management regime is on notice now - if 'a' SOS' can cop a chop - make no mistake - these blow in types with their waiter outfits are far more expendable - a New President wont have any allegiance to these blokes and already the CLub is putting in place alternative management expertise. Liddle and his mates better deliver otherwise they wont be sitting there for long.

Not a bad thing either.

That's it. If i'm not thinking like you, I must be naive.....because you're the smart one.

Liddle expressed what he was going to do and how he was going to do it and to date is doing it......but somehow you know better because......?

Please don't talk naive to me when you couldn't see what was happening and why it was happening. You know you don't have to try and be the hero all the time.

 

[footyfan1978]

" We butchered this "

 

[HARKER]

" We butchered this "

I think that's aimed at me right? Is that the value of what you're capable of bringing to the board.

When you're ready for a discussion maybe we can talk, but you can choose to be insignificant if that's all you have.

 

[Opine]

I look at facts -
56K to 65K = 16% growth
65K to 75K = 15.5% growth

Liddle outlined what he'd do when he joined us and I don't reside in Liddle's office to be able to tell you how he did it - but he's doing it.
What else do you need to know. You don't think it's luck do you? Looks like good business to me but you say it's a scam.

The most relevant fact here is that every club could do with a good membership sales bloke; CFC is no different. The incidental fact here is that membership growth has less to do with the functions of a CEO than it does with the functions of a good membership sales bloke.