Next AFC Captain???

[macca23]

That you, Neil?

My pick would be Thompson. Hands down.As of the start of season 2008 he will be 25, have a good three seasons (with us) under his belt and will probably have an AA guernsey and B&F on the mantle to signal his transition to elite status.

He is aggressive and will have plenty of footy left in the job - at least 5 you'd think.

Goody, while a worthy captain, will be 31 at the start of 2008 and even if he still manages to kill it in his twilight years (the quickfire demise of iron men Hart and Roo at a similar age is of massive concern in today's quiksilver runfest footy), his captaincy will be very much a Tony McGuinness seat-warmer job.

Although I'd be happy with Goodwin, what you say makes sense.

Thommo plays tough and talks well.

Thommo in the role followed by VB in 5 years time - looks about right to me.

 

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That you, Neil?

My pick would be Thompson. Hands down.

As of the start of season 2008 he will be 25, have a good three seasons (with us) under his belt and will probably have an AA guernsey and B&F on the mantle to signal his transition to elite status.

He is aggressive and will have plenty of footy left in the job - at least 5 you'd think.

Goody, while a worthy captain, will be 31 at the start of 2008 and even if he still manages to kill it in his twilight years (the quickfire demise of iron men Hart and Roo at a similar age is of massive concern in today's quiksilver runfest footy), his captaincy will be very much a Tony McGuinness seat-warmer job.

If we are serious about going down the rebuilding path next year we need to have a younger captain to rebuild the side around. No point IMO have a stop gap captain, When McGuinness had it, it only felt like a token position. IMO the long term captains are always the best way to go and generally make the best captains. Lance Whitnall is a perfect example of a stop gap captain that has had no impact whatsoever.

To me if Goodwin is captain next year, it will be a worrying sign. I am still yet to be 100% convinced about Craig and junior development so I wouldnt be surprised to see the leadership group being Goody, Buji, Bassett, Burton next year . The only solice would be that if Goody was captain that the leadership group under him would be Reilly, Thompson, Van Berlo and Rutten.

Somehow I think Craig may persist with stop gap measures next year in a hope they will get results.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If we are serious about going down the rebuilding path next year we need to have a younger captain to rebuild the side around. No point IMO have a stop gap captain, When McGuinness had it, it only felt like a token position. IMO the long term captains are always the best way to go and generally make the best captains. Lance Whitnall is a perfect example of a stop gap captain that has had no impact whatsoever.

To me if Goodwin is captain next year, it will be a worrying sign. I am still yet to be 100% convinced about Craig and junior development so I wouldnt be surprised to see the leadership group being Goody, Buji, Bassett, Burton next year . The only solice would be that if Goody was captain that the leadership group under him would be Reilly, Thompson, Van Berlo and Rutten.

Somehow I think Craig may persist with stop gap measures next year in a hope they will get results.

Oh yeah, lets blame Craig for this! I mean people don't blame him enough for other things lets add this one to the list as well

FFS, its is the PLAYERS that choose the leadership group. Not Craig! But hey, lets blame Craig for allowing players to choose who their leader is

 

[Legoman_Carl]

I want Rutten to be captain, best for the club long term IMO.
I'm sure it will be given to Goody though.

 

[maccas_no1]

Oh yeah, lets blame Craig for this! I mean people don't blame him enough for other things lets add this one to the list as well

FFS, its is the PLAYERS that choose the leadership group. Not Craig! But hey, lets blame Craig for allowing players to choose who their leader is

This is what really annoys me about you, as soon as someone comes out with something that differs to your thoughts you go off like a cut snake, respect people have different opinions weather they are right ot wrong is debatable.

I partilly agree and take nothing away from Goodwin, but we need a leader from the core group that will be there as leader for the next 7-9yrs, you either are capable as a leader or you arent.

 

[Mong]

1. Goodwin
2. Rutten
3. Thompson

 

[Southerntakeover]

This is what really annoys me about you, as soon as someone comes out with something that differs to your thoughts you go off like a cut snake, respect people have different opinions weather they are right ot wrong is debatable.

I partilly agree and take nothing away from Goodwin, but we need a leader from the core group that will be there as leader for the next 7-9yrs, you either are capable as a leader or you arent.

Thats not an opinion, its a fact that the players choose the leadership group.

 

[Redline]

Goodwin will and should be next. Rutten I think is ahead of Thompson.

You could not question his commitment but still a few areas of his game to fix up. Havign said that another strong year from Thompson could move him up with Rutten.

 

[NikkiNoo]

This is what really annoys me about you, as soon as someone comes out with something that differs to your thoughts you go off like a cut snake, respect people have different opinions weather they are right ot wrong is debatable.

I partilly agree and take nothing away from Goodwin, but we need a leader from the core group that will be there as leader for the next 7-9yrs, you either are capable as a leader or you arent.

Marty - I'm with Stiffy on this one - he was responding to relapse who was saying that if we end up with Goodwin et al it would be Craig's fault. Only problem with relapse is that his facts were wrong. Facts are different to opinions.
Fact - It is that it is the players themselves that vote on the Leadership group and ultimately the captain. The coaching staff is not involved at all in the actual voting process.

They have instigated things to do with the leadership group like making the players stand up in front of the whole group and say why they voted for a particular person. But ultimately the voting itself is the players. So if we end up with Goodwin next year - then blame the players not the coaching staff if you disagree with their decision.

 

[fightingdreamer88]

The title of the thread is "Next AFC Captain" not "Next AFC captain after Goodwin"

Wrong. Not yet.

No point discussing who is immediately getting it because clearly Goodwin will. Better off talking about something that ISN'T a full-blown conclusion wouldn't you say suburban_bourbon?

 

[Crowked]

So if we end up with Goodwin next year - then blame the players not the coaching staff if you disagree with their decision.

How about we congratualate the playing group on selecting clearly the most accomplished and suitable player for the job ATM.

IMO, its not even debatable. Goodwin is the man, because he has it all. The rest, while definately showing some development in their leadership, are miles behind. You appoint a captain for each season, it doesnt have to be for the next decade. By the time Goody does retire, which I see happeneing in about 3 years, the next one will be as obvious as this one is.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Oh yeah, lets blame Craig for this! I mean people don't blame him enough for other things lets add this one to the list as well

FFS, its is the PLAYERS that choose the leadership group. Not Craig! But hey, lets blame Craig for allowing players to choose who their leader is

Thats not an opinion, its a fact that the players choose the leadership group.

Just like it was the players who imposed the 11 pm curfew.

Just because the players decided it was a good idea to implement the curfew doesn’t mean they were the ones who came up with the idea.

If Neil Craig wanted the AFC to have a younger captain, he would make sure the AFC had a younger captain for season 2008.

 

[Truck Rutten]

That you, Neil?

My pick would be Thompson. Hands down.

As of the start of season 2008 he will be 25, have a good three seasons (with us) under his belt and will probably have an AA guernsey and B&F on the mantle to signal his transition to elite status.

He is aggressive and will have plenty of footy left in the job - at least 5 you'd think.

Goody, while a worthy captain, will be 31 at the start of 2008 and even if he still manages to kill it in his twilight years (the quickfire demise of iron men Hart and Roo at a similar age is of massive concern in today's quiksilver runfest footy), his captaincy will be very much a Tony McGuinness seat-warmer job.

Couldn't agree more DT.

I get the feeling though that if the players are left to decide then Goody will get the nod. Which as far as I'm concerned isn't in the best interests of the club long term.

 

[Stiffy_18]

This is what really annoys me about you, as soon as someone comes out with something that differs to your thoughts you go off like a cut snake, respect people have different opinions weather they are right ot wrong is debatable.

I partilly agree and take nothing away from Goodwin, but we need a leader from the core group that will be there as leader for the next 7-9yrs, you either are capable as a leader or you arent.

Maybe you should read the post I responded to before going off half cocked! At what stage did I bag relapse for saying that Goodwin should not be a captain?! At what stage did I bad anyone for having a different opinion.

Your reply to my post doesn't at any point suggest anything to do with my post! Nothing.

Someone decided to blame Craig if Goodwin is announced captain without realising that Craig doesn't choose the leadership group, the players do!

 

[Southerntakeover]

Just like it was the players who imposed the 11 pm curfew.

Just because the players decided it was a good idea to implement the curfew doesn’t mean they were the ones who came up with the idea.

If Neil Craig wanted the AFC to have a younger captain, he would make sure the AFC had a younger captain for season 2008.

Actually, every report has suggested that the players DID come up with the curfew idea. Craigy just wanted them to do something to fix the ill discipline.

If the players want Goodwin as AFC captain, why on earth should craigy interfere? im reasonably sure the players know who the on field leader.

 

[CarnCrows]

Couldn't agree more DT.

I get the feeling though that if the players are left to decide then Goody will get the nod. Which as far as I'm concerned isn't in the best interests of the club long term.[/quote]
Why not? Let Goody have say 2 years, then the rest of the group will have time to develop their skills. Imagine in 2 years time how many 'potential' captains there will be.

It should be a players choice.

 

[Stiffy_18]

It should be a players choice.

Of course it should be! They are the ones that know who they feel is their leader and who they want to follow. If players want Goodwin as their captain then he should be their captain.

No point in giving the captaincy to a player that his peers don't feel is the best candidate for it! Imagine if someone got a job that players didn't vote, I wonder what those speeches in the rooms or huddles would be like. Half the players would be day dreaming.

 

[BlackDouglas]

Actually, every report has suggested that the players DID come up with the curfew idea. Craigy just wanted them to do something to fix the ill discipline.

If the players want Goodwin as AFC captain, why on earth should craigy interfere? im reasonably sure the players know who the on field leader.

So if Neil Craig went to the players with a suggestion that they elect someone to potentially be captain for the next 6 or 7 year Simon Goodwin would still get the nod?

I agree that Simon Goodwin will be the next captain but what I am saying is that Neil Craig has influence on how that player is selected, just like how the player came about implementing the curfew

 

[Dimi Kalks]

next capt for the crows should be Goodwin and vice captains shoould be edwards Mcleod Rutten and Thompson. :

 

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Maybe you should read the post I responded to before going off half cocked! At what stage did I bag relapse for saying that Goodwin should not be a captain?! At what stage did I bad anyone for having a different opinion.

Your reply to my post doesn't at any point suggest anything to do with my post! Nothing.

Someone decided to blame Craig if Goodwin is announced captain without realising that Craig doesn't choose the leadership group, the players do!

Okay I was wrong to label it as being Craig fault, but I do think that the coach would portray to players the direction where he wants the club to be heading in from next year onwards. It would be upto the players then to vote on the captain taking into account where the direction where the coaching staff are trying to take our side to and looking at the best interests of the side.

If anyone thinks that the coach wouldnt pass any comment to the players as to who they believe should be appointed I would be amazed.

Maybe I should rephrase it as saying that who is selected might be a representation of where the coaching staff are trying to take us. If Craig imforms the squad that 2008 is about building our side for the future and not about rolling the dice again on the same old players and about establishing our next core group from the younger players on our list then you would think that the players would take that into consideration before making a decision. Whereas if Craig says we are rolling the dice on the same players hoping for a finals appearance I believe the players would be more inclined to go down the quick fix solution of Goodwin as captain.

 

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So if Neil Craig went to the players with a suggestion that they elect someone to potentially be captain for the next 6 or 7 year Simon Goodwin would still get the nod?

I agree that Simon Goodwin will be the next captain but what I am saying is that Neil Craig has influence on how that player is selected, just like how the player came about implementing the curfew

This is what I think also, the players will make a decision, but Craig will definately outline to the players as to where he feels the next captain should come from.

 

[Truck Rutten]

Why not? Let Goody have say 2 years, then the rest of the group will have time to develop their skills. Imagine in 2 years time how many 'potential' captains there will be.

Err, because of the reasons in DT's post that I quoted, and said I couldn't agree with more

Goody may end up playing another 2 seasons, but the end comes very quickly for a lot of guys once they get to his age. I wouldn't be treating him than any more than a year to year proposition.

I would much rather see our next long term captain spend a year in the job while Goody, Edwards and Macca are around to help him find his feet in the job. Much like Bicks did with Roo.

In 2 years time we will most likely be without Goody, Edwards, Bassett, Burton and Torney. That would be a disaster to wait until then before ushering in the next generation of leaders.

 

[relapse]

How about we congratualate the playing group on selecting clearly the most accomplished and suitable player for the job ATM.

IMO, its not even debatable. Goodwin is the man, because he has it all. The rest, while definately showing some development in their leadership, are miles behind. You appoint a captain for each season, it doesnt have to be for the next decade. By the time Goody does retire, which I see happeneing in about 3 years, the next one will be as obvious as this one is.

Goody is 31 we have seen how quickly roo went from world beater to berely able to get on the field (goody might only have next year left). I seriously dont see what positive effect having goody as captain for 1 to 2 seasons max will achieve besides an almost show of no confidence leadership wise amongst our younger players.

 

[relapse]

Err, because of the reasons in DT's post that I quoted, and said I couldn't agree with more

Goody may end up playing another 2 seasons, but the end comes very quickly for a lot of guys once they get to his age. I wouldn't be treating him than any more than a year to year proposition.

I would much rather see our next long term captain spend a year in the job while Goody, Edwards and Macca are around to help him find his feet in the job. Much like Bicks did with Roo.

In 2 years time we will most likely be without Goody, Edwards, Bassett, Burton and Torney. That would be a disaster to wait until then before ushering in the next generation of leaders.

couldnt agree more, we should of had Reilly and Thompson in our leadership group this year. Definately a bad decision by the "players", this is what concerns me about our lack of forward planning, seems like there is too much focus on the today and not on the tomorow.

 

[maccas_no1]

Marty - I'm with Stiffy on this one - he was responding to relapse who was saying that if we end up with Goodwin et al it would be Craig's fault. Only problem with relapse is that his facts were wrong. Facts are different to opinions.
Fact - It is that it is the players themselves that vote on the Leadership group and ultimately the captain. The coaching staff is not involved at all in the actual voting process.

They have instigated things to do with the leadership group like making the players stand up in front of the whole group and say why they voted for a particular person. But ultimately the voting itself is the players. So if we end up with Goodwin next year - then blame the players not the coaching staff if you disagree with their decision.

Please re-read my post I said stiffy's opinion that Goodwin should be captain, I know the playing group picks the leaders