Next Call up...

[Nandoz]

Assuming the eventual departure within the next year or so of McGrath, Warne and S. Waugh, predict the next Australian Test Line-up.

 

[DaveW]

No Waugh, McGrath, Warne? I imagine the line up would look rather similar to the teams we fielded against Zimbabwe.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Clarke is the obvious selection to replace Waugh.

As for bowlers, i'd like to think one of Inness or Rofe would fill McGrath's spot, as for Warne, that's a little harder. Cam White is the best young spinner in the land, however they may want to hold him back a little longer, which means that MacGill or Hauritz might get some games in the meantime.

 

[Lidge]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Clarke is the obvious selection to replace Waugh.

As for bowlers, i'd like to think one of Inness or Rofe would fill McGrath's spot, as for Warne, that's a little harder. Cam White is the best young spinner in the land, however they may want to hold him back a little longer, which means that MacGill or Hauritz might get some games in the meantime.

MacGill - yeah for a year or 2 (if he can behave that long).

As for Hauritz...with best 1st class figures of 4-119.....he should be near the end of the queue of aspiring slow bowlers.

 

[lamby29]

Hayden (Batsman)
Katich (All-rounder)
Ponting (Batsman)
Martyn (Batsman)
Clarke (Batsman)
Gilchrist (Batsman - Keeper)
Watson (All-rounder)
White (All-rounder)
Lee (Bowler)
Gillespie (Bowler)
Inness (Bowler)

I reckon Langer will be gone soon, and Katich will become the new batting partner of Haydos.

 

[mjm28]

Originally posted by lamby29
Hayden (Batsman)
Katich (All-rounder)
Ponting (Batsman)
Martyn (Batsman)
Clarke (Batsman)
Gilchrist (Batsman - Keeper)
Watson (All-rounder)
White (All-rounder)
Lee (Bowler)
Gillespie (Bowler)
Inness (Bowler)

I reckon Langer will be gone soon, and Katich will become the new batting partner of Haydos.

Not a bad side. Batting looks very strong, although that bowling attack looks very suspect. I don't think Watson is a good bowler, more of a batting allrounder than a bowling allrounder. I think Bichel will still be around. I don't think Katich can be a test opening bat, but you're right about Langer. He needs a bit more consistency, like Hayden. Clarke will be awesome, some of the shots he produced against the Kiwis were great. His my second favourite now, behind Bevo!!

 

[Nandoz]

Watson is a player I definately cannot see getting a consistant spot in the Test side. Although he is very talented, much work must be done on his consistancy, but ya never know, he might prove me wrong this season.

Lets hope he does, because his talent is un-doubtable.

 

[The Passenger]

Originally posted by Nandoz
Watson is a player I definately cannot see getting a consistant spot in the Test side. Although he is very talented, much work must be done on his consistancy, but ya never know, he might prove me wrong this season.

Lets hope he does, because his talent is un-doubtable.

id see watson as more of a test player than ODI player....

 

[DaveW]

I see Watson becoming a very good batsman, and maybe just an average bowler.

His century today sees his first-class average up above 40 now.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
I see Watson becoming a very good batsman, and maybe just an average bowler.

His century today sees his first-class average up above 40 now.

With Gilly in the side, Watson could well play at no.7 as a batting all-rounder & 5th bowler ... but is a while off yet making the test team.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
With Gilly in the side, Watson could well play at no.7 as a batting all-rounder & 5th bowler ... but is a while off yet making the test team.

I'd prefer to see Watson in the top six.

Why is everyone so eager to get Gilchrist up the order??

I think the freedom he has at number seven suits him perfectly.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
I'd prefer to see Watson in the top six.

Why is everyone so eager to get Gilchrist up the order??

I think the freedom he has at number seven suits him perfectly.

Splitting hairs Dave which is at 6/7.

My point is that will Gilly, we can afford to play a lesser batsman who can give us another bowling option (given the bowlers may not be as good as the current crop).

 

[Nandoz]

Gilly normally comes in at times of easy going...and I believe he should bat ahead of Watson. His inducive stroke play, obviously can provide an errant stroke, or a wicket, so batting with the luxury of knowing that the loss of his wicket is not of a much greater meaning, with Watson behind him, will allow him to tee off. Unlikely scenario...but you have to sum up all of the options and possibilities.

 

[Russian]

Originally posted by lamby29
Hayden (Batsman)
Katich (All-rounder)
Ponting (Batsman)
Martyn (Batsman)
Clarke (Batsman)
Gilchrist (Batsman - Keeper)
Watson (All-rounder)
White (All-rounder)
Lee (Bowler)
Gillespie (Bowler)
Inness (Bowler)

Inness will have to take the Bichel role, Williams has shown he is up to it. White is good enough to bat at 7. Allows a second spinner to play, could also play an extra batsman. Watson could play in certain matches but not on a permanent basis IMO

 

[The Passenger]

Gilly should bat at seven as much as he can. we know he does the job there, and there is no point screwing up with a winning formula......

will give my thoughts on this topic later. or tomorow...

 

[IceTemple]

Williams has to get his stride length and ball control right. Man how many extras can one bowler give. I thought I was watching the early days of the white ball all over again!!

 

[marcuz]

If Matty Inness was from NSW he would be captaining australia right now...it is a disgrace this kid keeps getting overlooked

 

[ViperV10]

My spin on that list

Hayden (Batsman)
Arnberger (Batsman)
Ponting (Batsman)
Katich (All-rounder)
Clarke (Batsman with a bit of bowling)
Watson (All-rounder)
Gilchrist (Batsman/Keeper)
Wright (Bowler)
White (Bowler)
Gillespie (Bowler)
Inness (Bowler)

I know it isn't the best list...but I will explain some of my choices.

Arnberger is a class act. He is a great batsman...but not only that, he is a great opening batsman. He deserves a chance simply because of his blistering work for VIC.

Katich can play...IMO he is more valuable than Martyn at Test level. He can bat, bowl and field better than Martyn. Game over IMO.

Watson has great potential. He may not be there at the moment, and sometimes goes for a bit with the ball, and struggles with the bat at times...but when he is fit and a bit more experienced he should be more balanced

Wright is underrated. I put him in because I believe he could actually go better at Test level than he is at State level (wicket wise I mean...i don't know why I think this but I think he may be able to do it). He needs to concentrate if he has had a bad over...but I think he can learn that. he may not be a test bowler though...I'm not sure. He is at least economical.

White seems to be the pick for the spinner's role..so I will go with him.

Inness needs no reason other than that he is great at the long game. He has been unlucky to say the least and thoroughly deserves the spot.

 

[llosis]

At test level All-rounders are over-rated. Unlike the one day game where you may like some different bowling options, one batting all-rounder (eg a Katich or a Lehmann) is all you usually need.

Pick your best 5 bats.
No 6 bat who can bowl 15 overs if required
Gilchrist
Your best 4 bowlers.

If your best 4 bowlers are quality you don't need 6 or 7 guys trundling them down each innings. 4 blokes carrying the bulk of the load and a 5th for variety / partnership breaking will do the trick.

If an batting all-rounder can't reasonably be picked on his batting ability alone (or a bolwing all-rounder on his bowling ability alone) then you're really hedging your bets. You see a lot more all-rounders played at Pura level because teams are looking to bowl sides out twice without the quality that a test pace attack should (hopefully) have.

Australia has dominated the world with the above team plan. I don;t see why we should go away from it just because it's cool to have a few allrounders in the team.

 

[skipper kelly]

Originally posted by llosis
At test level All-rounders are over-rated. Unlike the one day game where you may like some different bowling options, one batting all-rounder (eg a Katich or a Lehmann) is all you usually need.

Pick your best 5 bats.
No 6 bat who can bowl 15 overs if required
Gilchrist
Your best 4 bowlers.

If your best 4 bowlers are quality you don't need 6 or 7 guys trundling them down each innings. 4 blokes carrying the bulk of the load and a 5th for variety / partnership breaking will do the trick.

If an batting all-rounder can't reasonably be picked on his batting ability alone (or a bolwing all-rounder on his bowling ability alone) then you're really hedging your bets. You see a lot more all-rounders played at Pura level because teams are looking to bowl sides out twice without the quality that a test pace attack should (hopefully) have.

Australia has dominated the world with the above team plan. I don;t see why we should go away from it just because it's cool to have a few allrounders in the team.

Who said you are stupid? You know your game of cricket, my friend. Most intelligent post about cricket I have read. Well done.

 

[llosis]

Originally posted by ViperV10
My spin on that list

Hayden (Batsman)
Arnberger (Batsman)
Ponting (Batsman)
Katich (All-rounder)
Clarke (Batsman with a bit of bowling)
Watson (All-rounder)
Gilchrist (Batsman/Keeper)
Wright (Bowler)
White (Bowler)
Gillespie (Bowler)
Inness (Bowler)

I know it isn't the best list...but I will explain some of my choices.

Arnberger is a class act. He is a great batsman...but not only that, he is a great opening batsman. He deserves a chance simply because of his blistering work for VIC.

Katich can play...IMO he is more valuable than Martyn at Test level. He can bat, bowl and field better than Martyn. Game over IMO.

Watson has great potential. He may not be there at the moment, and sometimes goes for a bit with the ball, and struggles with the bat at times...but when he is fit and a bit more experienced he should be more balanced

Wright is underrated. I put him in because I believe he could actually go better at Test level than he is at State level (wicket wise I mean...i don't know why I think this but I think he may be able to do it). He needs to concentrate if he has had a bad over...but I think he can learn that. he may not be a test bowler though...I'm not sure. He is at least economical.

White seems to be the pick for the spinner's role..so I will go with him.

Inness needs no reason other than that he is great at the long game. He has been unlucky to say the least and thoroughly deserves the spot.

Damien Wright is a solid FC bowler. He is NOT test standard. We're in trouble if he gets selected for the baggy green.

Jason Arnberger is a solid, rock like opener. Given victoria good service over the last few years but surely he is not the best our nation can put out on the park to open??? What exactly does he have going for him? He's not young. He doesn't have a great FC record. He's not known for being blessed with an abundance of natural talent. He can occupy the crease - is that it? Heaven forbid Arnberger gets a call-up.

As I have said elsewhere, White has the potential but he isn't ready yet to assume the no 1 spinners mantle for the Aust. McGill and Warney are still miles ahead for the near future. Check back in a couple of years.

Watson likewise has the potential. Not sure which way he will go with his batting /bowling. When he first appeared his bowling was definitely his forte. Now with the back injury is playing as a bat alone and could make it was a bat alone (a la Stephen Waugh). If either his batting or bowling is up to Test standard alone then he should get a test birth - but not just because he ok at both.

Inness deserves a shot in Aust A. but I'm still not convinced.

Clarke is a gun and is the new Punter. I'm a fan of Katich as well and he should go on to play 40 + tests for Aust.

Other possibles:
Rofe (line and length bowler of the future)
Mitchell Johnson (wicket taker)
M. Hussey (next ODI batsman in the line)
Maher (next opener in line)

 

[llosis]

Originally posted by skipper kelly
Who said you are stupid? You know your game of cricket, my friend. Most intelligent post about cricket I have read. Well done.

Cheers mate

 

[The Passenger]

All Rounders are a luxury.

If you don't have one good enough, than you shouldn't poick him.

 

[ViperV10]

Some good points llosis...and I do agree with you now that you mention some of those points.

I haven't really seen much of Arnberger....but I have heard he is good. I didn't know he was getting on in years...how old is he?

I still disagree on Damien Wright though...I do think he can make the step up to Test Level...but lets agree to disagree (most likely he won't get the call up...so you win there)

Back to the all-rounder issue though....Watson and Katich are both good enough to be in as all-rounders...even if they weren't to bowl. Katich would only be part time with White in the team...so it doesn't matter whether he is called an all-rounder or a batter who can bowl a bit. Dependant on the captain and the pitch...he wouldn't be bowling a lot unless he is to break a partnership. Watson likewise...he can be in on his batting alone, yet he can also do a bit of bowling so what is the problem with that? He doesn't need to be considered as an all-rounder...but he can still bowl 5th or even 6th...It doesn't really matter.

You will get matches where the 4 strike bowlers aren't having a fun time of it (no matter how good they can be, or how good they are). There is therefore the need for all-rounders like Watson and Katich because of these matches. I don't see a problem with them being in the team together then.

 

[w00dy]

Hayden
*
Ponting
Martyn
Clarke
*
Gilchrist
C. White
B. Lee
J. Gillespie
M. Inness


i think we could say that is a pretty solid lineup for 3 years time??? just need batsman to slot into opening and no. 6... choices are Katich, Watson, North, Hussey (either of them), Rogers...

i would love nothing more to see jason arnberger get a game for australia, but i know it's not going to happen... the innings he plays just aren't what the selectors are looking for, but he does get the job done, even if it takes him a while...