List Mgmt. Nick Daicos

[Kappa]

We have two third round picks
We wont finish that low on the ladder
We can go into deficit
We can trade picks in
Dontworryaboutit

All of the above

Were at the start of a long rebuild, having Daicos then not getting another pick till round 4 would be disappoitning

 

[Apex36]

without a 1st... can someone clarify how we are finding the points to pay for top 3 pick Daicos?

1 x 2nd rd pick and 1 x 3rd pick is not enough

It’s lucky we have more picks than that then.

 

[Apex36]

Were at the start of a long rebuild, having Daicos then not getting another pick till round 4 would be disappoitning

It’s very likely that we’ll have access to Dib as an NGA in the second round.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Were at the start of a long rebuild, having Daicos then not getting another pick till round 4 would be disappoitning

With eight new players this year and potentially two more midseason, its unlikely we will go back to back drafting huge numbers and have almost half the list under the age of 20. (Remembering we are likely to pick up two more players midseason)

It will be a small number of players drafted next year regardless. We already have two lined up via the Academy system.

One of the picks we have traded away was converted into TWO players. So its not as if we are missing out on rebuilding through the draft.. we are just getting them a year early

 

[Harry O]

If Daicos gets a bid in top 3 and Dib at about 25, points might be an issue. Getting potentially 2 very good players though so it will be worth it

if we nail the 2 MSD selections then even better- we will have the nucleus of of a great bunch of kids taken over a 12 month period

 

[Jelly Bean]

Just a quick comment re trading the 2021 1st. The club made the right call on it unless we finish last. Holding the pick into this year immediately devalues it because clubs know you need to trade it. Do some of you honestly think a club is coming to us with genuine market value if they know it will just be absorbed by a Daicos bid?

The only chance we had of maximising it’s value was by attracting a star and those who would have preferred we hold onto it are also those who would take the view that a star wouldn’t come to a bottom 6 team. The club can’t win if you’re going to judge things like that...

The real question I have is whether the club doubles down on a rebuild post 2021 and tries to get back into the 1st round post a bid on Daicos. That will largely be dictated by the new coach clearing out dead wood.

Not right - it depends on the relative value of the pick v where we actually land. Don't forget, an option was for us to hang on to it and trade it this year.

I don't think your thinking is right about a club having us over a barrel either. If there are a few clubs wanting the pick (which if it is high there would be), they are competing against each other, not against our desire to get rid of the pick. Those conditions generate market value.

 

[jackcass]

Can’t agree with that Sco

If we finish bottom 4 and the pick franks it value as say pick 3 it’s far more valuable that what GWS speculated on when the were probably factoring in a pick 8-13 range.

Pick 3 might net us 2 later round 1 picks in that senario

Still very risky even if you manage to get that trade done during the trade period. Could end up stuck with both those picks and they still end up being absorbed matching a Daicos bid.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Hopefully they'll put up an article on whether or not he wore a hat to training next.

He had a toilet break at half time on the weekend, rumour is it was a clean snapper.

 

[Jelly Bean]

This years draft is a midfielders draft especially in the top end, so even if we kept our 1st, all we'd get is another mid, and we're getting the best mid already. Meanwhile we got a key forward and a tall mid from last year.

Yep, but a mid that makes it is better than a tall forward that doesn't.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

If there are a few clubs wanting the pick (which if it is high there would be), they are competing against each other, not against our desire to get rid of the pick. Those conditions generate market value.

That was also the thinking on draft night in 2020, but market forces didn’t nab us such a great haul.

 

[gouki88]

If Daicos gets a bid in top 3 and Dib at about 25, points might be an issue. Getting potentially 2 very good players though so it will be worth it

if we nail the 2 MSD selections then even better- we will have the nucleus of of a great bunch of kids taken over a 12 month period

Feel like if Dib is good enough we'll be willing to go into deficit for him, given he's been so involved with us

 

[Jelly Bean]

That was also the thinking on draft night in 2020, but market forces didn’t nab us such a great haul.

The market probably put a higher risk premium on the pick, and the uncertainty in our finish position pushed the price down. I suspect that if it was a confirmed 2021 top 8 pick it would go for higher than just a suspected top 8 pick.

 

[Apex36]

If Daicos gets a bid in top 3 and Dib at about 25, points might be an issue. Getting potentially 2 very good players though so it will be worth it

if we nail the 2 MSD selections then even better- we will have the nucleus of of a great bunch of kids taken over a 12 month period

I wouldn’t be surprised if we took Daicos, then attempted to trade back in to the 2021 draft with our future first to take another player before Dib. We’d then have 9 promising ND selections over a two year period to develop. After that point I think we’d be looking at trading and FA to try to fill holes and complete the list. We did something similar in 2012-14, albeit not quite as extreme, with Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg, Freeman, Langdon, Marsh, Moore, JDG and Maynard all taken within a 3 year period. Hopefully our we get a higher percentage of hits this time.

 

[unplugged]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we took Daicos, then attempted to trade back in to the 2021 draft with our future first to take another player before Dib. We’d then have 9 promising ND selections over a two year period to develop. After that point I think we’d be looking at trading and FA to try to fill holes and complete the list. We did something similar in 2012-14, albeit not quite as extreme, with Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg, Freeman, Langdon, Marsh, Moore, JDG and Maynard all taken within a 3 year period. Hopefully our we get a higher percentage of hits this time.

Thinking we'll do the same. We just need to find a club that wants our 2022 first and doesn't need their selection this year. Probably won't find anyone willing to part with a top 10 pick though

 

[Apex36]

Thinking we'll do the same. We just need to find a club that wants our 2022 first and doesn't need their selection this year. Probably won't find anyone willing to part with a top 10 pick though

No, it’s very unlikely. The Suns are probably the only team that doesn’t need picks, but unless they dramatically improve this year I doubt they’d be willing to part with their first.

 

[ExcitementMachine]

Had a really bad nightmare that he got a bad injury in a game, fair effort for this guy to get into my subconscious when I've never seen him play. Imagine when he's bog week in week out from.the forward pocket like father like son.

 

[jonmacTrag]

Had a really bad nightmare that he got a bad injury in a game, fair effort for this guy to get into my subconscious when I've never seen him play. Imagine when he's bog week in week out from.the forward pocket like father like son.

If he doesn't get the injuries his father had he won't wind up in the forward pocket.

 

[Seedsfan]

We have two third round picks
We wont finish that low on the ladder
We can go into deficit
We can trade picks in
Dontworryaboutit

All of the above

Two second round picks aren’t going to get the job done we will have to trade someone to get a pick in

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we took Daicos, then attempted to trade back in to the 2021 draft with our future first to take another player before Dib. We’d then have 9 promising ND selections over a two year period to develop. After that point I think we’d be looking at trading and FA to try to fill holes and complete the list. We did something similar in 2012-14, albeit not quite as extreme, with Grundy, Broomhead, Kennedy, Scharenberg, Freeman, Langdon, Marsh, Moore, JDG and Maynard all taken within a 3 year period. Hopefully our we get a higher percentage of hits this time.

Agree....nine is a lot and close to the maximum number of young players any club would want on a list. Remembering also that we have two new rookie listed players, and we also have two vacant spots we might fill in the midseason draft.

Plus second year players Rantall and Bianco who are yet to play a game and Ruscoe who has only played four. Then others who have played less than five... Keane Tohill Murphy and Lynch and others I may have missed..

 

[loki04]

So if nothing else this year, we can look forward to a daily dose of media hype over young Nick.
Gonna be a fun year eh?

Gotta give the fans something to get excited about and look fwd too, our gameplan and current team certainly aren't (also recent events etc).

As long as people temper expectations and give arealistic time frame on when those expectations are met, then its goood to see a Gun FS come through and be talked up as a top liner.

 

[loki04]

Just a quick comment re trading the 2021 1st. The club made the right call on it unless we finish last. Holding the pick into this year immediately devalues it because clubs know you need to trade it. Do some of you honestly think a club is coming to us with genuine market value if they know it will just be absorbed by a Daicos bid?

The only chance we had of maximising it’s value was by attracting a star and those who would have preferred we hold onto it are also those who would take the view that a star wouldn’t come to a bottom 6 team. The club can’t win if you’re going to judge things like that...

The real question I have is whether the club doubles down on a rebuild post 2021 and tries to get back into the 1st round post a bid on Daicos. That will largely be dictated by the new coach clearing out dead wood.

You could apply the same logic to last years draft, clubs knew we needed to trade it the only variation is that our draft position is UNKOWN (many had us as a 6th to 10th side) vs having a solid pick.

Do you think clubs are going to baulk at getting a top 5 pick (if we finish that low)? Just because pies need to use it that draft?

If as per many people are stating recruiters rate this draft you would get interest from many clubs either looking to shift a future first or part of another trade.

No way we fair worse then 2 picks in low 30s that we got.

 

[loki04]

Hah! You’re dreaming if you think a club would give up two later 1st rounders for a pick that we absolutely have to get rid of. A late first and maybe a mid second would be the absolute best scenario.

It depends on how much they rate the player at 3 and also how much multi club interest comes for that pick.

Other sides have packaged similar deals up.

All you need is another club to offer you something you are happy to take and there is your leverage to bargain from, as you aren't forced into this "Daicos or shit sandwiche" scenario you guys are zoning in on.

If we had to use it and only a single club showed interest then your position would be a concern, given these kids have no $$ contract and no expose form at AFL they are at a premium for multiple clubs.

 

[loki04]

But wouldn’t the 2 later round 1 picks be used as points for Daicos anyway?


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Future picks is what you would seek.

 

[loki04]

No matter what we think of whether we should have held onto our 1st for 2021 or not, its done now. We just gotta hope the kids we got for those picks will be worth it. The next few years will determine that.

Yep if they get 2 quality players then it will all pan out.

 

[loki04]

so by your own logic Scodog10 endorsement of the clubs strategy is sound - given you think your scenario of finishing bottom 4 is unlikely.
I think a club that plans draft strategy, for the “unlikely”, as you’re suggesting here is making a mistake lMO.

No GC is saying take the unknown out of it and wait and see what you hold at draft time to make a proper informed decision.

Not only dont they know what pick they traded, they also done it for 2 picks in low 30s (after down trading) in a draft where players had no exposed form in their last u18 year.

(Admittedly that can work both ways players could of move up the order or down).