Toast No Trade for Cox or Kerr

[BadSeed]

Finally some sense is spoken, for all of you asking to trade these two.... can it now end??

WEST Coast coach John Worsfold has ruled out off-loading premiership stars Dean Cox and Daniel Kerr as the club looks to continue an extensive rebuild.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/99640/default.aspx

 

[pantskyle]

No it can not and will not end.
Unfortunately both are our highest paid players and are not giving any return on it.
Kerr's been injured and mediocre for two years and Cox has fallen badly of the horse.

Both should be put up for trade while there is any value in them.

 

[pantskyle]

BTW it may not be Woosha's decision maybe a new coach may decide on it.

 

[pantskyle]

After reading the article i hope he doesn't go for the quick fix trades like Voss did this year.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

there are far larger passengers in our team than these two.

 

[sTeeL]

A little disappointed with their lack of foresight but its to be expected.

 

[pantskyle]

there are far larger passengers in our team than these two.

Yes but none with there trade value.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Funny, foxsports says the rumours are that we are looking to offload Cox.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27505657-5018851,00.html

Even if we were looking to do trades i wouldn't expect Worsfold to admit it in relation to specific players at this point in time. I also wouldn't expect Worsfold to be in favour of trades given he has vehemently opposed them up untill now and now he is fighting for his job he probably figures losing experience makes it harder for him. He may not be given a choice though. The club has to do something. They can't retain all of the coaching, admin and playing staff and change nothing and expect people to swallow it. Nisbett will know that even if Worsfold thinks he can keep serving up uncompetitive performances for years to come and hiding from scrutiny.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Funny, foxsports says the rumours are that we are looking to offload Cox.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,27505657-5018851,00.html

Discussed that article in another thread. It says nothing of any meaning about Cox. "Trade winds have rumours that West Coast will trade Cox". Most wishy-washy piece of baseless crap you could imagine. As someone else said, he's probably got the rumours off BigFooty.

 

[triplejdude]

I'd at least like to see them shipped around to see what we could get in return for them.

If the price is right, pull the trigger.

 

[dantheman06]

I say we don't trade them, especially Cox unless we get a top 5 pick. Cox will recover & we will regret replacing him with the likes of our recent top ten picks, excluding NN.
I would want a guaranteed gun, like Bennell or Swallow to let go of one of our few blue chips (recent form notwithstanding)

 

[Patron]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/99640/default.aspx

This is terrible terrible news and should be the nail in the coffin for worsfold. He is so depserate to keep his job that he's going to give up our top draft picks for seasoned players, keep our aging stars just so he can do good enough next year to stay coach. in the process completely screwing up our rebuild making us the worst team for the next ten years. we should be doing the completely opposite trading out our seasoned players to premiership contenders and attacking the draft and youth. i am so furious i cannot believe it! Worsfold and sumich must go.

 

[Patron]

I'd at least like to see them shipped around to see what we could get in return for them.

If the price is right, pull the trigger.

No Player is untradeable for the right price.
eg.
lecras for picks 1 and 2 aka swallow and bennell= yes.

 

[sTeeL]

Tbh they should segregate list management and coaching. Coaches would get too intimate with players and don't have the impartiality to make these decisions.

Obviously a coach will have a say in what he needs and why, but it should be a decision for others.

 

[bodazoka]

Two decisions haunt us the most from the end of 2008 to now.

1. Not trading Kerr for draft picks at the end of 2008, imagine the kids we could of picked up...

2. Not tanking at the end of last year and missing out on picks 2 and 4.

I hope the Kerr decision doesnt continue to haunt us at least.

 

[Patron]

Two decisions haunt us the most from the end of 2008 to now.

1. Not trading Kerr for draft picks at the end of 2008, imagine the kids we could of picked up...

2. Not tanking at the end of last year and missing out on picks 2 and 4.

I hope the Kerr decision doesnt continue to haunt us at least.

So true we wooda got a top ten pick for kerr easily. then 2+4 woulda bin trengrove and morabito instaead of sheppard (who im still happy with)
or even better martin and morabito. woosha is destroying this club with closed minded thinking.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Two decisions haunt us the most from the end of 2008 to now.

1. Not trading Kerr for draft picks at the end of 2008, imagine the kids we could of picked up...

2. Not tanking at the end of last year and missing out on picks 2 and 4.

I hope the Kerr decision doesnt continue to haunt us at least.

Picks 2 and 4 would have been great.

However we did play the kids - and they stood up and won us games.

NN against the hawks game, Swift against Richmond etc etc.

So given we did all the normal things of putting stars into early surgery, playing most the kids - the only thing we could have done differently is deliberately lost. That is match fixing pure and simple and has no place in our game.

 

[faisan]

This time last year everyone was saying that Freo should trade Pavlich as they were rebuilding with youth.

Look at them now...

Things can turn around quickly. I don't think we need more young players. We need our young players to develop quicker than they have this year.

This article by Scott Burns is interesting http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7155/newsid/99615/default.aspx

he basically concedes that our young mids havent made big steps this season as hoped but they are still on track in their development. He compares their possesion stats vs the Geelong midfield in their early days and we compare ok.

Hes confident that as they play together more, they will develop into a dangerous side.

 

[dantheman06]

How many current coaches have been longer serving than worsfold? I'm beginning to think he's not the right man any more, because he hasn't reinvented our style to keep up with the game..
Sumich definately should go, & the skills coach. We need new inspiration..

 

[The Passenger]

i dont mind the coach saying he doesn't wanna offload cox.

but this sentence concerns me greatly:
"But he says the Eagles will consider trading for mature players during this year’s exchange period, with their first-round draft pick on the table."

 

[Eastern Rangers]

WE ARE 16TH!

At the end of 08 we said, "don't worry" we'll be full strength in 2009. We said the same thing at the end of 2009.


Why can't they see that Cox, Embley, Kerr and Glass won't last the distance And that Priddis, Rosa, Waters and Butler aren't good enough to see us into another finals campaign. They all take up a place on our list and all compete directly with our young players for spots in our 22 (such is our lack of list diversity.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

i dont mind the coach saying he doesn't wanna offload cox.

but this sentence concerns me greatly:
"But he says the Eagles will consider trading for mature players during this year’s exchange period, with their first-round draft pick on the table."

Mature doesn't mean 28 - it could be a Van Berlo, Swallow, Griffen etc

If it's for a Lockyer, Davis or Motlop - i'll lead the witchhunt.

But i think it's narrow minded to say a 23 year old established quality midfielder isn't worth a top 4 pick.

 

[Patron]

WE ARE 16TH!

At the end of 08 we said, "don't worry" we'll be full strength in 2009. We said the same thing at the end of 2009.


Why can't they see that Cox, Embley, Kerr and Glass won't last the distance And that Priddis, Rosa, Waters and Butler aren't good enough to see us into another finals campaign. They all take up a place on our list and all compete directly with our young players for spots in our 22 (such is our lack of list diversity.

Nail head hit.

 

[Patron]

Mature doesn't mean 28 - it could be a Van Berlo, Swallow, Griffen etc

If it's for a Lockyer, Davis or Motlop - i'll lead the witchhunt.

But i think it's narrow minded to say a 23 year old established quality midfielder isn't worth a top 4 pick.

i would take cyril at 4 buddy at 4. i think they are the only WA players i would take at 4 and no way hawks will ever trade them. wouldn't take swallow for pick 4. defs not gumby at 4. there has been talk of motlop. a 29 yo player. are you serious worsfold? i dont want any player thats older than 23. no matter how good they are. if we wanted seasoned experienced players why didnt we take ball in last years draft with one of our 20 picks? woosha is destroying this club with the most ludicrous drafting policy ever. could you imagine melb last year going na better not trade mclean or anybody we shood get rid of picks 1 and 2 for some experienced players. that way we might be able to be a mediocre team next year and for the next 5 years and then suck completely.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

there has been talk of motlop. a 29 yo player. are you serious worsfold?

Lol.

When has Worsfold ever said he wants Motlop?

Let's hold our judgement until trade week is over.

(3rd rounder for Matt Campbell - make it happen!)