No trading this year?

[Snooperclyde]

With the compromised drafts around the corner we should keep the picks we have and trade players for up-grades if possible.

Then in the next couple of years we could trade our picks for players that will strengthen the team.

 

[EagleMan87]

Agreed. When we're building towards a premiership team and need to fill a specific need or if a gun player wants to come home; then try to facilitate a trade.

Same way we've always operated

 

[Snooperclyde]

Agreed. When we're building towards a premiership team and need to fill a specific need or if a gun player wants to come home; then try to facilitate a trade.

Same way we've always operated

Yeh, trade early picks next year if it suits because they won't really be early picks with the GC17 concessions.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Trade some players if we can but not picks, unless we're packaging one with a player to get a better pick.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Trade some players if we can but not picks, unless we're packaging one with a player to get a better pick.

That = agree, No trading picks for players unless the picks would come our way.

 

[sTeeL]

Three players if possible I would consider trading for:

Rich, J Selwood, Pendlebury, Ryder

None of their teams will give those players up. Moving on some of ours if anyones interested is the only trades the Eagles should be doing

 

[bodazoka]

With the compromised drafts around the corner we should keep the picks we have and trade players for up-grades if possible.

Then in the next couple of years we could trade our picks for players that will strengthen the team.

Its a bit of a loaded question... what if a younger player that would help strenghten our team now became available? And what happens if we finish the year with a PP and this player became available. Trading for a player who is 22 now in essence is exactly the same as trading for the same player in three years when that guy is 25. Except he has given us an extra 3 years of service and knows his role and responsibility in the team, we dont have to spend a year training the guy before he becomes as effective as what we need him to be.

Last year I would of been totally against us trading any of our first 3 picks for players, this year I am a little more lienient towards it because we have the young talent on the list now. This year if we finish with two picks inside the top 5 and a gun became available I would be wanting a trade for the player, next year when GC comes in I think there will be allot of movement on the trade table and we should be very active in trading.

 

[Winky]

Its a bit of a loaded question... what if a younger player that would help strenghten our team now became available? And what happens if we finish the year with a PP and this player became available. Trading for a player who is 22 now in essence is exactly the same as trading for the same player in three years when that guy is 25. Except he has given us an extra 3 years of service and knows his role and responsibility in the team, we dont have to spend a year training the guy before he becomes as effective as what we need him to be.

Last year I would of been totally against us trading any of our first 3 picks for players, this year I am a little more lienient towards it because we have the young talent on the list now. This year if we finish with two picks inside the top 5 and a gun became available I would be wanting a trade for the player, next year when GC comes in I think there will be allot of movement on the trade table and we should be very active in trading.

There is a guy playing for Geelong who can't get a game as their midfield is too strong. Very good player tho' and should be considered.....S Hogan.

Watching Prismal for Essendon the other night backs this up as he was in a similar position but in addition did his knee. The down side to the argument is that we did pick up Liam Bedofrd who doesn't look much good at all at this stage.

 

[greennick]

Three players if possible I would consider trading for:

Rich, J Selwood, Pendlebury, Ryder

None of their teams will give those players up. Moving on some of ours if anyones interested is the only trades the Eagles should be doing

Three you say?

 

[Snooperclyde]

Its a bit of a loaded question... what if a younger player that would help strenghten our team now became available?

The top end of this coming draft will be very good IMO.
What very good young player would teams be prepared to let go?

what happens if we finish the year with a PP and this player became available.

We had four wins last year and a bucket full of thrashings.

One thrashing, a handful of good performances and three wins with 10 games to go = no priority pick.
2 wins will lose the PP so it would be super tanking to get the PP from here. We are averaging 1 win in four games so far and we would need to drop away to 1 win in 10 games.

Like the result for the pick but only a dream in reality. I would rather see the young team hatch out a few wins.

 

[Obeanie1]

It all depends on who is on the trade table and what is being asked for him.

The Eagles have never been big players in the trade game which is fine with me but if the right player came up we'd be silly to say no because of this last uncompramised draft, in fact this would put a premium on low picks this year. Those willing to barter with a low pick this year will be in a much better bagaining position then next year.

It all depends on which player for which pick.

 

[bodazoka]

The top end of this coming draft will be very good IMO.
What very good young player would teams be prepared to let go?

Generally theres always someone of decent value, Black, Thompson, Stinga, Motlop, Rawlings, Guerra, Porplyzia, Akermanis, Medhurst, Mattner, Judd, Johnstone, Moran, Symes, Shaw, Ray, Prismall ect.... are some names that have been traded or picked up from the PSD over the past 5 years.

We had four wins last year and a bucket full of thrashings.

One thrashing, a handful of good performances and three wins with 10 games to go = no priority pick.
2 wins will lose the PP so it would be super tanking to get the PP from here. We are averaging 1 win in four games so far and we would need to drop away to 1 win in 10 games.

Like the result for the pick but only a dream in reality. I would rather see the young team hatch out a few wins.

I would consider it more likely towards the end of the year that we wont win games than it was between rounds 1 and 10. Considering most of our older players have given way for first gamers now and the team is allot less experienced then it was. I understand that statistically we should win more than one more game though. And if we didnt get a PP I wouldnt at all want to trade our first rounder.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Generally theres always someone of decent value, Black, Thompson, Stinga, Motlop, Rawlings, Guerra, Porplyzia, Akermanis, Medhurst, Mattner, Judd, Johnstone, Moran, Symes, Shaw, Ray, Prismall ect.... are some names that have been traded or picked up from the PSD over the past 5 years.

You can't include the PSD in this that has nothing to do with trading picks in the ND for players, so cancel those players off the list.

Apart from Judd no-one else would be worth a first round pick (at the time they were traded) and it is debatable whether the long term effect on Carlton will prove worth it. I'm happy we traded Juddy for what we got in return.

Would you have taken one of the above named players and give up pick 2 Naitanui.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Its a bit of a loaded question... what if a younger player that would help strenghten our team now became available? And what happens if we finish the year with a PP and this player became available. Trading for a player who is 22 now in essence is exactly the same as trading for the same player in three years when that guy is 25. Except he has given us an extra 3 years of service and knows his role and responsibility in the team, we dont have to spend a year training the guy before he becomes as effective as what we need him to be.

Last year I would of been totally against us trading any of our first 3 picks for players, this year I am a little more lienient towards it because we have the young talent on the list now. This year if we finish with two picks inside the top 5 and a gun became available I would be wanting a trade for the player, next year when GC comes in I think there will be allot of movement on the trade table and we should be very active in trading.

We have holes on our list these become more obvious when a particular player gets injured our fails to deliver. We can trade at a latter date, we are still rebuilding and IMHO trading for players in 2011 and 2012 is a smarter move.

 

[bodazoka]

You can't include the PSD in this that has nothing to do with trading picks in the ND for players, so cancel those players off the list.

Apart from Judd no-one else would be worth a first round pick (at the time they were traded) and it is debatable whether the long term effect on Carlton will prove worth it. I'm happy we traded Juddy for what we got in return.

Would you have taken one of the above named players and give up pick 2 Naitanui.

ummm you cant just take Judd out of it... because I would give up Naita for Judd in a heartbeat I also dont believe you can argue that Judd hasent helped Carlton, Judd has helped them on and off the field enourmously (spelling).

I dont know why your arguing with me.. Ive basically said that you cant half way through the season completely rule out trading players for draft picks, another Judd type player might pop up. And if we had a PP Id want us to trade our first rounder for an A grader midfielder.. what is so wrong with that?

We have holes on our list these become more obvious when a particular player gets injured our fails to deliver. We can trade at a latter date, we are still rebuilding and IMHO trading for players in 2011 and 2012 is a smarter move.

I think we have a pretty big hole, one that is big enough to warrent attention in the next 1-3 years. If it so happens that this hole can be filled by trading this year and we are in a position to do so, then Im all for it.

 

[Monocle]

It all depends on who is on the trade table and what is being asked for him.

The Eagles have never been big players in the trade game which is fine with me but if the right player came up we'd be silly to say no because of this last uncompramised draft, in fact this would put a premium on low picks this year. Those willing to barter with a low pick this year will be in a much better bagaining position then next year.

It all depends on which player for which pick.

Can only agree.

Depends who is up for grabs. If a young WA player under 25 wanted to return home and he suited our needs then we would be mad not to look at a trade.

 

[Snooperclyde]

Deledio / Masten as an example

Richmond will want first round pick + and it is the + that I don't agree with unless it is a player worth disposing (Seaby).
Deledio played all 22 games in his first year 2005 and averaged 15.27 disposals. 2006 he played 21 games at 18.8 disposals so it is fair to say he was AFL ready (mature) with all those games under his belt.

Masten played 9 games last year at an average of 15.11 disposals and 11 so far this year at 17.82 disposals. Not a great difference but I hear you Deledio has much better disposal. Masten is well behind where Deledio was at the same time and with confidence and maturity may well be just as good as Deledio.

Trading Masten ATM would be lucky to get a first round pick but he might be a 1st round + player in two years.

This is why we should take our chances in the draft so that when the time is right ( 21/24 years for our youngsters) we should be able to trade players with some exposed form and therefore more valuable. Don't wait too long however or we'll repeat the Hansen, Staker scenario.

 

[bigburger]

I am keen for not trading unless someone like Deledio is on the radar. Then I say we throw the kitchen sink at trying to get him in the Blue and Gold.

 

[Papa Juggs]

GC will be using picks as trade bait anyway so it can work both ways.

I don't think there is any point in ever wasting a first round pick unless you can sucker a team out of a player like Judd.

1st round picks are just too good these days with the talent pools from the u18s just chockers with potential young guns.

 

[bodazoka]

Deledio / Masten as an example

Richmond will want first round pick + and it is the + that I don't agree with unless it is a player worth disposing (Seaby).
Deledio played all 22 games in his first year 2005 and averaged 15.27 disposals. 2006 he played 21 games at 18.8 disposals so it is fair to say he was AFL ready (mature) with all those games under his belt.

Masten played 9 games last year at an average of 15.11 disposals and 11 so far this year at 17.82 disposals. Not a great difference but I hear you Deledio has much better disposal. Masten is well behind where Deledio was at the same time and with confidence and maturity may well be just as good as Deledio.

Trading Masten ATM would be lucky to get a first round pick but he might be a 1st round + player in two years.

This is why we should take our chances in the draft so that when the time is right ( 21/24 years for our youngsters) we should be able to trade players with some exposed form and therefore more valuable. Don't wait too long however or we'll repeat the Hansen, Staker scenario.

That sounds like a car sales man when he tries to sell you a car based on the fact that it retains value, so when you go to sell it in 5 years it will still be worth something... You dont buy a car on the basis that you can sell it in 5 years, you buy a car thats going to last you 10 years.

And if you use a draft pick on a player in the draft in any round you do so thinking that player will have a long lustrious career 10+ years long.

I understand what your saying but 2 years ago when Hansen and Staker were the age your talking about we would of been mad to trade them...

 

[Snooperclyde]

That sounds like a car sales man when he tries to sell you a car based on the fact that it retains value, so when you go to sell it in 5 years it will still be worth something... You dont buy a car on the basis that you can sell it in 5 years, you buy a car thats going to last you 10 years.

And if you use a draft pick on a player in the draft in any round you do so thinking that player will have a long lustrious career 10+ years long.

lol

You missed the point completely

We draft expecting super star 10yr players, but if and when the reality hits home that the player is not going to meet your expectations you trade while there is a chance said player is worth something.

I understand what your saying but 2 years ago when Hansen and Staker were the age your talking about we would of been mad to trade them...

I can't agree at all......................I am not alone when I say that the writing was well and truly on the wall that these two are pretenders.

Hansen was given the benefit of doubt because of a long run with injury but that compassion was misguided. Clearly the injuries restricted his games but there was no real evidence that Hansen was a goer, nor had he ever been, he is just an over sized lead up forward.

Staker looks like he should be a star with his near perfect physique but alas he spends more time looking at himself in the mirror than working on his commitment to the team and the physical stuff just might mess-up his hair.

 

[bodazoka]

lol

You missed the point completely

We draft expecting super star 10yr players, but if and when the reality hits home that the player is not going to meet your expectations you trade while there is a chance said player is worth something.

I do understand the point, however clubs are almost always going to give those guys around the 22 mark more time to develope. Its not untill they hit 24+ that a club cuts ties and looks to trade that player generally speaking.

I can't agree at all......................I am not alone when I say that the writing was well and truly on the wall that these two are pretenders.

Hansen was given the benefit of doubt because of a long run with injury but that compassion was misguided. Clearly the injuries restricted his games but there was no real evidence that Hansen was a goer, nor had he ever been, he is just an over sized lead up forward.

Staker looks like he should be a star with his near perfect physique but alas he spends more time looking at himself in the mirror than working on his commitment to the team and the physical stuff just might mess-up his hair.

I agree... now that Staker is 25 and Hansen is 26 we can see the full extent of there abilities, they are now basically no use to the club and should be traded. However 2-3 years ago when those guys were 22-23 you would of been mad to sudgest a trade, especially with Hansen as they were both young and developing. And Hansen was a pretty good player in his day anyway, and deffinately helped us to that 06 flag.

If you had a crystal ball on Staker you would of traded him at age 22. Unfortunately we dont have a crystal ball and only time can tell you if player X is going to be good or not, hence when a kid is 22 and has shown some talent you would be more inclined to keep him on the list then trade him.

McKinley, Spangher and Rosa are prime examples. Sure they might not end up good AFL players but all have shown some talent and are worth persisting with. You would also be hard pressed to find a club willing to give up what we would ask for those players. Basically right now they are worth more to our club then any club is willing to part with.

 

[Snooperclyde]

ummm you cant just take Judd out of it... because I would give up Naita for Judd in a heartbeat I also dont believe you can argue that Judd hasent helped Carlton, Judd has helped them on and off the field enourmously (spelling).

I dont know why your arguing with me.. Ive basically said that you cant half way through the season completely rule out trading players for draft picks, another Judd type player might pop up. And if we had a PP Id want us to trade our first rounder for an A grader midfielder.. what is so wrong with that?

Firstly.......Judd was a trade..........and it is way too early to give Naitanui up in a heartbeat for an aging midfielder that will probably be worn out by the time we are ready to take the next cup home.

Secondly if another Judd type player just happened to "pop-up" he would demand more than our imaginary PP.

 

[worsfold]

I'm with Bod - if there is a 21/22/23 year older player available that fits or fills a hole take him we have enough players to trade the other way without it costing us two much.

Also with woosha signing for 2 years with a task of making the finals I think it is more likely we would trade if the right player/s were available.

 

[Snooperclyde]

McKinley, Spangher and Rosa are prime examples. Sure they might not end up good AFL players but all have shown some talent and are worth persisting with. You would also be hard pressed to find a club willing to give up what we would ask for those players. Basically right now they are worth more to our club then any club is willing to part with.

Agree
McKinley need only get fitter and work harder and he will be very good. Sharp shooters don't grow on trees.
Rosa is much maligned at times but he is a keeper ATM. I would bet that Rosa gets better next year.
Spangher is borderline, love his attack on the footy at times but worry about decision making and footy smarts. By the end of next year (23) if he has not improved enough then he will be ripe to trade.