Opinion Non-Crows AFL 13: Cyclone Season

[daniel_4tw]

Now that we have pick trading there is no need for the father son rule at all. If you want the player bad enough, you can trade up to get them. Every player in the draft is available to every club, if they are prepared to pay fair value.

When people say they want the romance, these days what they really mean is a top end player on the cheap.

Well I have always thought live trading (after players are picked) should be allowed. If clubs really want a player and they’re drafted before the pick, they get a chance to make the other clubs happy.

The romantics of father sons is so bullshit. Why do I care if if Daicos goes to Collingwood? It’s not romantic to my club. So if Collingwood want the romance in it, go get the pick or do a live trade. Otherwise like you said it’s not the romance, it’s cheap cost that clubs like.

 

[spenze]

I really don't think we can be bagging the guys for joining the class action on this. The effects of multiple concussions on the quality of their lives post football can be a real problem.

Exactly.

You can see the effects on him, his memory is shot to pieces, he can’t remember people have given him money to build pools

 

[maxlilly]

Exactly.

You can see the effects on him, his memory is shot to pieces, he can’t remember fill have given him money to build pools

I heard he even forgot to put water in them

 

[maxlilly]

How many does he sleep in

You'll have to ask his wife that one

 

[cleanhands]

You'll have to ask his wife that one

Seperate beds are the go………when it comes time it’s like a sleep over

 

[Velvet George]

If they were absolute top rated players, I think I'd understand.

Say Adelaide decided they wanted 2x top 10 picks this year. They go to the trade period with this goal, what would they need to give up to secure 2 x top 10 picks?

A bloody lot!

 

[Eagleboy2011]

If they were absolute top rated players, I think I'd understand.

Say Adelaide decided they wanted 2x top 10 picks this year. They go to the trade period with this goal, what would they need to give up to secure 2 x top 10 picks?

A swap for Jones and Sholl should do the trick.

 

[Slippery Pete]

In a state that struggles to care about AFL let alone AFLW, hey let's play a sport many struggle to care about.

Double negative?

Laura Kane’s in charge of it. That should put your mind at ease.

 

[I Lost My Keays]

I hope Essendon, North, Eagles and Tigers bid on Cochrane early to really screw over Port.

I can’t imagine Port getting what they want for Butters if he does leave either.

 

[119others]

Let's be real, the 'disadvantaged' clubs are not concerned they will miss out on their player. They are concerned that they don't get to rort the system, where they get a top pick in before their player etc.

Under the new system they will simply be asked to pay something close to what it really would cost them, to trade up to the bid position, in a real life trade.

100% but also pissed about the inequity of the future super teams, Lions and Suns, have been able to game the system in recent years with MASSIVE structural advantages that will now seemingly never be replicated.

It effectively takes their previous massive advantage and even maginifies it further as no other team can do similar going forward.

Lions and Suns - minimum 3-4 flags next 6 years. Lock it in

 

[WeeBlake]

100% but also pissed about the inequity of the future super teams, Lions and Suns, have been able to game the system in recent years with MASSIVE structural advantages that will now seemingly never be replicated.

It effectively takes their previous massive advantage and even maginifies it further as no other team can do similar going forward.

Lions and Suns - minimum 3-4 flags next 6 years. Lock it in

It’s still better to close the gate now than not at all. Should have never been opened, or at least shut way earlier.

Of course, it’s not really properly shut under this new system either.

 

[daniel_4tw]

It’s still better to close the gate now than not at all. Should have never been opened, or at least shut way earlier.

Of course, it’s not really properly shut under this new system either.

This.

Everyone agrees the system is broken so what other solution is there? Leave it broken forever?

Fix it in 2028 and then have the clubs with academies in 2029 complain?

Maybe they should let all clubs get one more player on the cheap system and then you’re onto the old system. Maybe we’ll finally get our steal by 2035.

 

[Scorpus]

100% but also pissed about the inequity of the future super teams, Lions and Suns, have been able to game the system in recent years with MASSIVE structural advantages that will now seemingly never be replicated.

It effectively takes their previous massive advantage and even maginifies it further as no other team can do similar going forward.

Lions and Suns - minimum 3-4 flags next 6 years. Lock it in

It's a bit rich for Port to whinge about having the door closed on them.

Port were able to benefit massively from the national expansion in 1997 and built a competitive list immediately. They brought in a whole bunch of decent young SA players and traded or signed even more SA players already in the AFL.

Gold Coast couldn't benefit from any of that because Queensland players were non-existent so they had a couple of highly paid signings but largely filled the list with Victorian kids.

Port having this massive structural advantage at the launch of the club meant they could go on to win their first flag less than a decade later. Gold Coast didn't even make finals for like 15 years.

In a way, Gold Coast getting priority access to locals now to set them up for success isn't that different to Port getting access to SA locals in 1996, except for the timing

They can sook all they like about Gold Coast getting things Port won't have access to, but the reverse was also the case historically. Gold Coast have specifically been given those advantages because they weren't able to build a Port-like list to begin with.

As for Brisbane, they largely benefitted from Father Sons, a system which Port Adelaide had identical access to

I do think the system should be fairer but I'm not overly upset about the changes happening after a historically awful club is able to benefit.

 

[GameofSloanes]

You’d be happy as a Crows supporter if you had to pay more than Brisbane and Gold Coast have?

The following year they are saying Port may have 2 x top 10 players, 4 first rounders they would need.

Conveniently what they want for butters......
2 rookies for a top 10 in the comp player, delicious.

 

[GameofSloanes]

The only place Gather Round will work for ether the men’s league or women league is Melbourne or Adelaide

Perth is far too far. Sydney doesn’t have the supporter base, Tasmania doesn’t have the infrastructure and Queensland will only support the Lions and Suns.

Any gather round in Sydney will be a disaster. Empty stadium and boring games.

On the bright side it might end any chance of the mens gather round going to NSW

 

[Peter Doherty]

Conveniently what they want for butters......
2 rookies for a top 10 in the comp player, delicious.

They want 4x first rounders for Butters?

Why stop there, why not 5, or 6?

 

[119others]

It's a bit rich for Port to whinge about having the door closed on them.

Port were able to benefit massively from the national expansion in 1997 and built a competitive list immediately. They brought in a whole bunch of decent young SA players and traded or signed even more SA players already in the AFL.

Gold Coast couldn't benefit from any of that because Queensland players were non-existent so they had a couple of highly paid signings but largely filled the list with Victorian kids.

Port having this massive structural advantage at the launch of the club meant they could go on to win their first flag less than a decade later. Gold Coast didn't even make finals for like 15 years.

In a way, Gold Coast getting priority access to locals now to set them up for success isn't that different to Port getting access to SA locals in 1996, except for the timing

They can sook all they like about Gold Coast getting things Port won't have access to, but the reverse was also the case historically. Gold Coast have specifically been given those advantages because they weren't able to build a Port-like list to begin with.

As for Brisbane, they largely benefitted from Father Sons, a system which Port Adelaide had identical access to

I do think the system should be fairer but I'm not overly upset about the changes happening after a historically awful club is able to benefit.

trust me seeing the powa fans bitter about the new rules brings a smile to my face. like we all despise them right and will make their rebuild years even longer - no finals for at least 5 years from here imo

and you re right they had big adv when joining the league but far less than we did (roo, hart, rehn, smart, modra, wellman = jarman. groom = mc leod etc), and we had far less than eagles did.

Port also cheated (again) https://www.zerohanger.com/how-port...thlessness-even-before-they-were-born-153710/

The fine was for the new Port Adelaide Football Club paying a handful of young prospects who had emerged through its SANFL team – Warren Tredrea, Peter Burgoyne, Michael Wilson, Paul Evans and Tom Carr – to not nominate for the 1995 draft, a move which would ensure the Power could snare them for free as zone selections in 1996, ahead of their 1997 debut.

 

[119others]

It's a bit rich for Port to whinge about having the door closed on them.

Port were able to benefit massively from the national expansion in 1997 and built a competitive list immediately. They brought in a whole bunch of decent young SA players and traded or signed even more SA players already in the AFL.

Gold Coast couldn't benefit from any of that because Queensland players were non-existent so they had a couple of highly paid signings but largely filled the list with Victorian kids.

Port having this massive structural advantage at the launch of the club meant they could go on to win their first flag less than a decade later. Gold Coast didn't even make finals for like 15 years.

In a way, Gold Coast getting priority access to locals now to set them up for success isn't that different to Port getting access to SA locals in 1996, except for the timing

They can sook all they like about Gold Coast getting things Port won't have access to, but the reverse was also the case historically. Gold Coast have specifically been given those advantages because they weren't able to build a Port-like list to begin with.

As for Brisbane, they largely benefitted from Father Sons, a system which Port Adelaide had identical access to

I do think the system should be fairer but I'm not overly upset about the changes happening after a historically awful club is able to benefit.

my real issue is i feel our club is going to be close, real close, to a flag over the next 5-6 years, esp considering we can still bring in a bailey and nwm type with salary cap capacity.

its just being brutally honest, the qld teams are still better and have even more talent, thru both fs (esp lions) and nth acaedmies (mainly suns with 8 first rounders in 3 yrs, most have hardly impacted yet)

the afl in their desire to grow the game up north - certainly working in SEQ but fans can be pretty fickle also up here - and less so in western sydney where i read there was literally only 100 kids registered for u13 afl iirc the other week

to see crows battling and being so close - think 2005 and 2006 - and beaten by teams with unfair advantages ('white line fever' back then by eagles whose previous coach admitted in the age article than recreational drugs can be performance enhancing). i can see the same shit happening again the next 5 years and i hope i am very wrong but the talent on suns list is next level. look at midfield. look at forward options, look at 8 x first rounders from lsat 3 years (half top 10, 3 top 5). its going to be hard to swallow knocked out in prelims to these super qld teams over coming years but its on the cards


edit suns mids - rowell (pick 1), anderson (2), petracca (2), miller and more
forward talls - king (6), juh (1), walter (3), read (9), lombard (9)

 

[119others]

Conveniently what they want for butters......
2 rookies for a top 10 in the comp player, delicious.

would love for weagles, tigers or kangas to offer a 2 year deal at $3m per year. even if power match he then will be UFA in 2 years time

clearly wont happen as butters will be locking in 16-20m+ on his next contract in case of serious injury etc but would well and truly piss the power off

 

[Scorpus]

my real issue is i feel our club is going to be close, real close, to a flag over the next 5-6 years, esp considering we can still bring in a bailey and nwm type with salary cap capacity.

its just being brutally honest, the qld teams are still better and have even more talent, thru both fs (esp lions) and nth acaedmies (mainly suns with 8 first rounders in 3 yrs, most have hardly impacted yet)

the afl in their desire to grow the game up north - certainly working in SEQ but fans can be pretty fickle also up here - and less so in western sydney where i read there was literally only 100 kids registered for u13 afl iirc the other week

to see crows battling and being so close - think 2005 and 2006 - and beaten by teams with unfair advantages ('white line fever' back then by eagles whose previous coach admitted in the age article than recreational drugs can be performance enhancing). i can see the same shit happening again the next 5 years and i hope i am very wrong but the talent on suns list is next level. look at midfield. look at forward options, look at 8 x first rounders from lsat 3 years (half top 10, 3 top 5). its going to be hard to swallow knocked out in prelims to these super qld teams over coming years but its on the cards


edit suns mids - rowell (pick 1), anderson (2), petracca (2), miller and more
forward talls - king (6), juh (1), walter (3), read (9), lombard (9)

Brisbane aren't far off the slide from their peak. Start of 2027 they will have Neale, Zorko, Andrews, Cameron and Dunkley all over 30 and they're facing the proposition of losing Bailey.

They've got some good young players but it will be interesting to see how they cope transitioning away from their premiership stars. Not many clubs can do it

 

[Crow till I die]

Was that Josh Carr

Josh Carr

Age

46

Ht

179cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.8

3star

after the weekend?

 

[119others]

Brisbane aren't far off the slide from their peak. Start of 2027 they will have Neale, Zorko, Andrews, Cameron and Dunkley all over 30 and they're facing the proposition of losing Bailey.

They've got some good young players but it will be interesting to see how they cope transitioning away from their premiership stars. Not many clubs can do it

I think Lions still have 3-4 years at the top, esp considering they had 8-9 players (inc many stars like ashcrofts x 2, fletcher AND about 6 first team players injured last GF. Then picked up Draper and Allen...) plus annable who were 23 or under in their gf win. good players are often getting thru to mid 30s like tex, zorko, danger so not sure those 30 yo guys will fall off the cliff. Lose Neale (more than likely) and bring in Annable or one or both of the Ashcrofts along with Mc C, Marshal, Rayner etc. Still a top 4 midfield IMO

But the real issue is the suns anyway. absolutely loaded and i know from one club list manager that many other list managers feel the same way. that the suns have formed a super squad now. and with so many quality local QLD kids they will likely be retained for unders/at market (at most) whilst being given the abundant non salary cap advs that teams can offer players

time will tell. hope i am wrong

 

[Cromulant]

Brisbane aren't far off the slide from their peak. Start of 2027 they will have Neale, Zorko, Andrews, Cameron and Dunkley all over 30 and they're facing the proposition of losing Bailey.

They've got some good young players but it will be interesting to see how they cope transitioning away from their premiership stars. Not many clubs can do it

Yeah a lot will depend on how the Ashcrofts, Fletchers and Morris' etc of the world go.

You'd think theyll be fine

 

[DJ75]

It's a bit rich for Port to whinge about having the door closed on them.

Port were able to benefit massively from the national expansion in 1997 and built a competitive list immediately. They brought in a whole bunch of decent young SA players and traded or signed even more SA players already in the AFL.

Gold Coast couldn't benefit from any of that because Queensland players were non-existent so they had a couple of highly paid signings but largely filled the list with Victorian kids.

Port having this massive structural advantage at the launch of the club meant they could go on to win their first flag less than a decade later. Gold Coast didn't even make finals for like 15 years.

In a way, Gold Coast getting priority access to locals now to set them up for success isn't that different to Port getting access to SA locals in 1996, except for the timing

They can sook all they like about Gold Coast getting things Port won't have access to, but the reverse was also the case historically. Gold Coast have specifically been given those advantages because they weren't able to build a Port-like list to begin with.

As for Brisbane, they largely benefitted from Father Sons, a system which Port Adelaide had identical access to

I do think the system should be fairer but I'm not overly upset about the changes happening after a historically awful club is able to benefit.

Don't forget that Port were fined for draft tampering after they signed a group of players to contracts so they wouldn't nominate for the draft before Port entered the competition. Something like 7 of those players ended up in their premiership team.
The AFL tried to make it go away quietly, but it happened.

 

[skam85]

It's a bit rich for Port to whinge about having the door closed on them.

Port were able to benefit massively from the national expansion in 1997 and built a competitive list immediately. They brought in a whole bunch of decent young SA players and traded or signed even more SA players already in the AFL.

Gold Coast couldn't benefit from any of that because Queensland players were non-existent so they had a couple of highly paid signings but largely filled the list with Victorian kids.

Port having this massive structural advantage at the launch of the club meant they could go on to win their first flag less than a decade later. Gold Coast didn't even make finals for like 15 years.

In a way, Gold Coast getting priority access to locals now to set them up for success isn't that different to Port getting access to SA locals in 1996, except for the timing

They can sook all they like about Gold Coast getting things Port won't have access to, but the reverse was also the case historically. Gold Coast have specifically been given those advantages because they weren't able to build a Port-like list to begin with.

As for Brisbane, they largely benefitted from Father Sons, a system which Port Adelaide had identical access to

I do think the system should be fairer but I'm not overly upset about the changes happening after a historically awful club is able to benefit.

On GC and GWS, I do remember a lot of the henny penny doomsayers on here and in the media saying they're going to share the next 15 flags or something silly like that.

Draft leg ups don't guarantee success