Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[WCE_phil]

While this might seem like a harsh system, it's penalties are still more lenient than the instant dismissal that occurs for pretty much anyone in the resources industry in WA.

Afl executives and aflpa will never agree to this though.

They will agree if it is passed as federal legislation for all professional sports in Australia that receive or benefit from state or federal funding in any form.

 

[Ochre]

Lots of this has been widely known by insiders for a very long time but people have been unable to talk about it. From AFL admin, to club admin, to football department staff and down to players as well as the AFLPA.

Then as part of their cover up to essentially work to remove any whistle blowers from the industry is also a huge issue.

Forget about singular players or staff enjoying themselves whether that be legally or illegally the real issue is that this reaches from the head governance of the sport down and it's stopping SIA/WADA from doing their job.

Now why are players doing nose beers or taking MDMA after games? In a cash rich environment it not only gives more bang for buck but negatively impacts the players recovery significantly less than a bloke drinking a half a bottle of tequila and smoking half a pack of darts. It's also much easier to hide it.

You want to cut it out go the whole hog. Test all players 2 days before game day, after the game and 2 days after game day for any illicit substances and have it all done independently outside of AFL or club control. Each test is double tested. 1 by independent testing agencies and 1 by SIA. Blood and urine tests for people with no or first and second strikes. Blood and hair follicle from then on.

Remove the AFL's bullshit current setup completely to begin starting from return to club pre-season 2024.

1st strike, 6 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to go through a fully independent drug awareness program
2nd strike, 12 game ban from all competition, no club or affiliate training and have to complete 6 weeks in rehab in a facility outside of AFL and Club control.
3rd strike. Full season ban, 3 months rehab, AFL first year pay for the year all with the continuing 3 time a week drug testng.
4th strike. Deregistration and a 2 year ban with no payout, if they want to attempt to return to AFL (their choice) they continue the 3 time a week drug testing during the ban.
5th strike. Lifetime ban from all levels of football whether that be playing, administration or media.

If you get a strike, 1 strike is wiped back every 2 years.

Full SIA/WADA compliance with a minimum 2 year ban for first offenders for any drug, illicit substance or performance enchancing agent for first time offenders. 4 year ban for second time offenders. A second ban also results in an automatic 5th strike being applied by the AFL. SIA/WADA have 2 weeks to make positive results known.

All AFL executives, All football department staff as well as club CEO's and Presidents to have the same testing. 3 strike policy for these people. First strike is the same as for players. Second is equivalent of 3rd strike. Third is the equivalent of 5th strike. No windback of strike system for these people.

Every person who receives a strike is named and listed. No forced media or AFL interviews to help protect mental health.

Any player or executive who finds this too strict is welcome to walk away no questions asked. For any player that receives strikes against them, full mental health assistance is provided for at the AFL's expense for the period the strike is in effect and for 6 months after their ban ends for 1st to 4th strikes.

Any club that receives strikes to 4 or more players or football department staff during a season is considered systemic and will result in their draft positioning to where the premiers nominal draft picks would be. Any club that receives strikes to admin for Doping/PED at any time and on gameday for players for 4 or more people receive the above punishment plus removal of all premiership points that year and a 5 million dollar fine.

4th strike and above all information is passed onto state, federal police as well as all sitting members of state and federal parliaments.

No testing for anything other than random Doping/PEDs during player breaks/holidays. Players also to be left alone by media during their downtime and any media agent who posts articles via social, print or television about players partaking in what are legal drugs and activities will receive a 1 year ban for the person on a first offence. A 1 year ban for the media company on the second offence. They are allowed to report on any incidents referred to or charges filed by police only after the outcome of the investigation. Once a player or administrator has served their punishment the media faces the same bans for posting about it after their punishment ends without the express permission of the player, club and AFL.

You don't want drugs in the game, this is a 100% elimination system.

Most will consider this too harsh however this has been going on and objectively getting worse for 20+ years. If you're old enough at 18 to go to war, vote, drink and smoke then you're old enough to cop the full consequences for employment within the AFL industry.

I would apply this system to every professional sport in Australia.

And where are you getting the billions to pay the players what they'd want to agree with this, and to pay for the huge increase in testing? Are the media organisations you're now threatening to ban going to increase what they're paying tenfold?

 

[KERRPOW]

So you've got to be a ******* moron to get caught on the fun stuff, basically, as it would need to be in the game day window as targeted performance enhancing drug testing. And even in that scenario it's widely accepted within clubs that if you do get on it after you've played for the weekend then you should just self report and they'll get you tested before the next game day window opens.

The majority of AFL players are morons

 

[Chris_6678]

Some great timing lol

 

[WCE_phil]

And where are you getting the billions to pay the players what they'd want to agree with this, and to pay for the huge increase in testing? Are the media organisations you're now threatening to ban going to increase what they're paying tenfold?

See my above post. The additional testing on top of what is done now should cost 2.5-3million per year per club. The AFL/NRL/CA can foot that bill. Other smaller professional sports would need government funding.

The media just got greatly increased access to players during season, this covers players specifically during specific breaks in season and on their out of season time off as well as whilst greatly increasing punishments, it greatly increases transparency and protects the mental health of players and staff.

Either they comply or they lose all government grants as well as tax concessions.

 

[WCE_phil]

Hmmm this certainly presents a very slippery slope.

So if club doctors are doing tests and effectively "hiding" the results for illicit substances, what is then stopping them from doing the same with banned performance-enhancing ones?...

Opening things up for a potential BALCO situation here.


All testing must be transparent and out in the open.

Whilst not a BALCO situation yet in relation to PED's I would actually suggest in regards to the depth and usage of illicit drugs within the industry it is far further reaching.

 

[Bender_]

Some great timing lol

Burnt his hand on a really hot piece of glass.

 

[bzparkes]

Burnt his hand on a really hot piece of glass.

Those damn glass BBQs...

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

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[amazingjoshy]

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Spot the difference....

"wouldn't let my kids play there"
"bringing the game into disrepute"
"they're evil"


"societal issue"
"mental health condition"
"doctor patient confidentiality"

 

[ThePuma #9]

All AFL executives, All football department staff as well as club CEO's and Presidents to have the same testing. 3 strike policy for these people.

This is where it all falls apart. AFL House would be a ghost town, no chance they’d ever tick off on this type of accountability.

 

[Truckosaurus]

It's already happened, and the son of an AFL legend no less

Hawk player 'overdosed' on GBH

The future of Hawthorn footballer Travis Tuck was last night in doubt following an overdose about midnight on Friday from the illicit drug known as GBH.

www.theage.com.au

Forgot about that - football was not kind to that generation of Tucks.

 

[garlic munchers]

Oh Willie, you're the dumbest of the all.

Oh man, that's so harsh




now where's that 3 day old pizza.

 

[WCE_phil]

This is where it all falls apart. AFL House would be a ghost town, no chance they’d ever tick off on this type of accountability.

This is where it has fallen over at high level corporate in Australia as well. However mid to high level corporate companies pay taxes and aren't given the tax breaks as not for profits and aren't provided with hundreds of millions of dollars in funding towards infrastructure, land and development on the basis of providing safe, engaging entertainment to the community. If you can tie the top to the bottom with government support you win.

It would break the current AFL HQ as we know it. You would need strong grassroots support, support from ex players, support from government and you would need a team of ready to go people to clean house and take over who aren't morally corrupt.

Politics is likely too corrupt to ever stand up to it and it would require the support of a billionaire or a few of them with football ties and it would likely take years.

But you would end up with an equitable national competition without systemic drug issues. As the AFL holds so much of power of the clubs with their colours, identities, colours, team names etc etc etc. It's really the only way to take control.

 

[The Dodger]

Surprised it's taken this long. I had always assumed stuff like this happened and was not surprised when Demetriou came out and admitted that players were being given chances to avoid the AFL's illicit drugs policy which he did so as the Essendon saga was revealing itself to bury it no doubt. Not many in the media gave a s**t about it then. The then CEO admitting that they didn't follow their own policy that they continuously trumpeted every time there was something in the media about drugs drew bugger all criticism then.
IMO if they are testing people on game day and making sure they don't take the field isn't that what WADA would want? Its essentially a clean sport on gameday then and the players missing will either correct so that they can play or keep missing games and it effects their next contract. Is the goal to catch people doing the wrong thing or prevent them from playing against people who have done the right thing?
It's an issue if they are attempting to cover up game day testing done by ASADA based on someone trying to take the field. But testing and stopping people from taking the field is a better outcome.
Another issue would be doing what they did for the Essendon saga which again amounted to AD tipping them off that they were under investigation despite being told not to tell anyone. If only the Federal Police had read "the boys club" before thinking its ok to bring the CEO of the sport in on it.

 

[KBLT]

Spot the difference....

"wouldn't let my kids play there"
"bringing the game into disrepute"
"they're evil"


"societal issue"
"mental health condition"
"doctor patient confidentiality"

Honestly, I think it's more a sign of the change in general public opinion on drug addiction over the last 17(!) years. It's less seen as a character flaw, and more a symptom of a larger underlying problem.

Don't get me wrong, there will be plenty of hypocritical takes from the media fed by bias, but our drug saga was nearly two decades ago. This is a different time, a different societal landscape. The reactions and coverage were always going to be different.

Is that fair to the club? No. Does the club deserve an apology? Absolutely.

But I think it's unrealistic to expect the same level of toxically negative coverage nowadays.

 

[ziad]

This is a fair repetitional hit to the game. I wonder of the Hawks racist problems get to an open court?

 

[KERRPOW]

Sidearse rested for the pies tomorrow.

We all know what that means.

 

[Keys]

Sidearse rested for the pies tomorrow.

We all know what that means.

I can’t be arsed looking it up but I reckon Geelong have had more late outs just before game day than any other club (even us)

Chris Scott has been the king of late changes.

 

[bzparkes]

I can’t be arsed looking it up but I reckon Geelong have had more late outs just before game day than any other club (even us)

Chris Scott has been the king of late changes.

Unsurprising.

 

[kane249]

 

[plays tall 1]

Hmmm this certainly presents a very slippery slope.

So if club doctors are doing tests and effectively "hiding" the results for illicit substances, what is then stopping them from doing the same with banned performance-enhancing ones?...

Opening things up for a potential BALCO situation here.


All testing must be transparent and out in the open.

My thoughts went down the same path. How long do steroids and other performance enhancing drugs stay in the system?

 

[OldBlueEagle]

Love a good conspiracy theory.

David Wilkie is against the building of stadium in tassie and trying to turn the state against the AFL !!!

 

[ziad]

My thoughts went down the same path. How long do steroids and other performance enhancing drugs stay in the system?

Plenty of discussion form PR spin, dumb ex players who are clueless and some informed people. It appears that while there is small group with mental issues and deserving of help, the real aim for the majority is to ensure professional athletes who are cheating avoid detection.

A concern I have is that dumb clubs with fixed lists and salary caps have to carry players who chose behaviour that, under secretive medical cover ups, prevents them from working.

As for the community standards, where I work positive tests on a 18- 20 year old result in automatic dismissal.

 

[sey666]

Love a good conspiracy theory.

David Wilkie is against the building of stadium in tassie and trying to turn the state against the AFL !!!

Who is David Wilkie?