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COLA and the academies are a reasonable contributing factor. Look at the difference Franklin and Heaney made last night. They also absolutely nailed some regular picks and well done to them. I believe they did it without the pressure other clubs have because of the other advantages they receive elsewhere, meaning they're less likely to take risks and bugger it up.

A scenario to illustrate is a team with lots of list holes. Those teams can fall into the trap of recruiting hybrid-position players because they think it will hedge their bets, like a half-back/midfielder or a ruckman/forward instead of a dedicated role-type player.

The risk is the player isn't a standout in either and never develops into the Goodes or Cornes the club wants them to be, sliding into mediocrity. Sydney don't have to do this because their list holes are smaller as a result of other concessions. They can just pick the best pure mid or pure flanker available and put 100% into developing the player in that spot.

You could counter and state that all strong clubs enjoy this benefit while at the top, but the difference is other clubs earn it legitimately.

If you're trying to say, overall, that they would've been just as good in the last 6 years or even close to nearly as good, I would strongly disagree with you. IMO those concessions are the difference between a good team and a great team.

They don't have holes because of everything other than COLA and the academies.

The success of their recruiting and development is based primarily on the identification of players who address specific needs and developing them to play in those roles.
 

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I can live with Tippett and Franklin because we should not be pretending that Sydney did not become a destination club and that they would not have been able to recruit quality players without COLA.
They don't have holes because of everything other than COLA and the academies.
Are the key forward posts not the hardest to fill though? The fact remains that those two players would not be there without that capacity to outbid the competition, destination club or otherwise, leaving two dirty great holes in a side admired for not having any.

Give Fremantle the ability to outbid Melbourne for Mitch Clark and football history is very different. Or, imagine the Bulldogs with enough money to try the Tom Boyd stunt twice and they might get it right the second time, going a fair way towards addressing your biggest critique of them.
 
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Personally them having an academy is bs if they want good young talent they finish near the bottom of the ladder like every one else.
What you're failing to realise is people there don't choose Aussie rules as their first game. They need the academy to encourage young blokes to pursue the game instead of rugby league. We have the luxury of being in an Aussie rules state.
 

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What you're failing to realise is people there don't choose Aussie rules as their first game. They need the academy to encourage young blokes to pursue the game instead of rugby league. We have the luxury of being in an Aussie rules state.
Having access and incentives for local talent is one thing. The Riverina isn't local to Sydney, isn't rugby country, and shouldn't be part of an academy, though, and getting 2-3 top 10 picks every year for the foreseeable future is also a load of rubbish.

edit: To be fair, the change with the 'hidden picks' rule should help to some extent. There will be the residual talent turnover at the two expansion clubs though, as some miss the 22 and request trades, thereby giving those clubs more top picks to rejuvenate their lists with. The latter part is more about establishing those clubs in the market though, which I'm okay with. But I think there's more than enough talent there for them to trade some out and use that for additional picks aside from the usual one per round; they don't need the ability to pick up a couple of top tens each year in addition to that.
 
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I know a lot of people talk about Sydney being rugby country, but i would disagree. I think the majority of kids up here, grow up playing soccer. I reckon soccer is much much bigger than rugby union or league (at least for kids to play). So while i disagree with the academies and the concessions they bring, i think it's wrong to say that they are there to combat kids choosing league
 

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The end goal is for the spivs at the top of the game to skim off as much money as possible for as long as possible. To do that, you need a couple of things - a solid position in the nation's largest TV market, and enough talent to sustain an 18+ team league. The academies serve both ends, by providing enough elite talent to keep expansion teams in contention, and by expanding the talent pool more successfully than any other initiative tried so far. The Riverina obviously contributes more to the former.
 

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They don't have holes because of everything other than COLA and the academies.

The success of their recruiting and development is based primarily on the identification of players who address specific needs and developing them to play in those roles.
An extra salary cap of one million dollars allows you to turn 5 very good players at 500k into 5 super stars at 700k. Yes you still need to identify these stars to some extent but Sydney's talent pool is to a pretty large extent made up from trading. Their drafting over the years has had plenty of misses just like any other clubs.

I really hope someone (even if it was McGuire) leads a super league like takeover of the competition. At the moment the AFL exploits the high support clubs to gift premiership after premiership to clubs with nothing but bandwagon supporters. If, sorry, when GWS wins their fifth straight premiership winning the grand final by 20 goals the competition will be an international laughing stock.

This will be ambivalent for me. On the one hand I love this game, but on the other hand it will be nice to see McLachlan hated as much as he deserves to be.
 

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Why did North play Port at the SCG in 2000?

Possibly lots of other examples as part of the push into Sydney, but that was after Sydney had played in a GF so had some success to keep the fan happy.
 

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Are the key forward posts not the hardest to fill though? The fact remains that those two players would not be there without that capacity to outbid the competition, destination club or otherwise, leaving two dirty great holes in a side admired for not having any.

Give the Fremantle the ability to outbid Melbourne for Mitch Clark and football history is very different. Or, imagine the Bulldogs with enough money to try the Tom Boyd stunt twice and they might get it right the second time, going a fair way towards addressing your biggest critique of them.


Very hard thing to bring in a key forward but it's not like Sydney would not be able to bring in any players.

Hawthorn, Geelong and Port are all clubs who have been competitive in recent time and who have brought in highly paid players.
 

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An extra salary cap of one million dollars allows you to turn 5 very good players at 500k into 5 super stars at 700k. Yes you still need to identify these stars to some extent but Sydney's talent pool is to a pretty large extent made up from trading. Their drafting over the years has had plenty of misses just like any other clubs.

I really hope someone (even if it was McGuire) leads a super league like takeover of the competition. At the moment the AFL exploits the high support clubs to gift premiership after premiership to clubs with nothing but bandwagon supporters. If, sorry, when GWS wins their fifth straight premiership winning the grand final by 20 goals the competition will be an international laughing stock.

This will be ambivalent for me. On the one hand I love this game, but on the other hand it will be nice to see McLachlan hated as much as he deserves to be.

Isn't the issue here really that we just take Tippett and Franklin out of the side?

Do it and give them a moderately priced key forward and maybe Sam Ried fit. They're still making the top 4.
 

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Indeed, it's all subjective as far as the concept goes so I can see how some might like it, but as far as the execution goes to my eye it looks completely amateurish.

The lack of detail in the wreath is pretty glaring given the pies existing logo has a perfectly good wreath anyone with a decent grasp on photoshop could've just directly copied. The bird on the left I'm assuming is a throwback to a logo from the past, but doesn't match the bird on the right, the gradient on the shield is happening at a pretty weird angle and the font on the 125 looks like a clipart.

Blues completely kill them in the anniversary logo stakes.

 

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Indeed, it's all subjective as far as the concept goes so I can see how some might like it, but as far as the execution goes to my eye it looks completely amateurish.

The lack of detail in the wreath is pretty glaring given the pies existing logo has a perfectly good wreath anyone with a decent grasp on photoshop could've just directly copied. The bird on the left I'm assuming is a throwback to a logo from the past, but doesn't match the bird on the right, the gradient on the shield is happening at a pretty weird angle and the font on the 125 looks like a clipart.

Blues completely kill them in the anniversary logo stakes.

I'm easily pleased aswell to be fair haha I tend to look on the posting side of things before the negative but yeah that Carlton one is very good wonder what our 150 logo will turn out to be?
 

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Does anyone else miss the good old days when it seemed that teams tried to hit up targets inside 50 instead of just bombing it in?
Reckon Patton does.

That's twice he's made leads and twice they've bombed it back over his head, because clearly he's a paragon of agility and acceleration and will obviously beat Johannisen back to goal.
 
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