Oppo Camp Non-Essendon Thread XII

[Big Fresh]

What happens if you fend off a player with your arm and you connect with the head ? Free Kick ! And if serious enough a suspension - It's a no-brainer.

What happens if you go up for a screamer and knee a player in the head? It's no problem. There are different rules for marking contests and there's a difference between using your arms and using your legs.

 

[yaco55]

Collingwood at times play the most insipid and boring footy imaginable - Reckon a snail could move the ball more quickly - Never seen the hype with Petracca - Has enough AFL attributes but struggles to feature in the play - Doubt he reads the play nearly well enough for a supposed elite player in the future.

 

[yaco55]

What happens if you go up for a screamer and knee a player in the head? It's no problem. There are different rules for marking contests and there's a difference between using your arms and using your legs.

Which is exactly what I posted.

 

[Summer Nights]

Which is exactly what I posted.

When?

 

[citizen-erased]

Collingwood at times play the most insipid and boring footy imaginable - Reckon a snail could move the ball more quickly - Never seen the hype with Petracca - Has enough AFL attributes but struggles to feature in the play - Doubt he reads the play nearly well enough for a supposed elite player in the future.

Tracc is a beast, but he does seem to not go half the time
should be breaking games apart with his power and skill.

Doesn't seem to fit the get it and run game plan the Dees employ.
They should trade him to us

 

[yaco55]

When?

Post number 3852.

 

[Zach Package]

What happens if you go up for a screamer and knee a player in the head? It's no problem. There are different rules for marking contests and there's a difference between using your arms and using your legs.

It wasn't a marking contest.

Reckon you have to view it the same way you view a bump, if you elect to do it when you've got the option not to and you get it wrong you're in strife.

 

[schmuttt]

Collingwood at times play the most insipid and boring footy imaginable - Reckon a snail could move the ball more quickly - Never seen the hype with Petracca - Has enough AFL attributes but struggles to feature in the play - Doubt he reads the play nearly well enough for a supposed elite player in the future.

He is just buggered atm mate, has struggled to break out of a jog in the last month. Clearly needs to lose a few kgs and improve his tank but I'm extremely comfortable with where he is at. If you've got any doubts go back and watch his game against the Crows at AO. His navigation through traffic is as good as Olivers if not better.

 

[Stopher]

So it'd be in Adelaide's best interests to go all out Sydney this week, as Richmond and Port are good chances to win both remaining games.

Not only does it sew up top spot, they'd definitely prefer one of them in a qualifying final as opposed to the finals-hardened Swans.

If we're making it, it's from 8th and playing one of Port, Sydney or Richmond.

 

[VelvetSledge]

So it'd be in Adelaide's best interests to go all out Sydney this week, as Richmond and Port are good chances to win both remaining games.

Not only does it sew up top spot, they'd definitely prefer one of them in a qualifying final as opposed to the finals-hardened Swans.

If we're making it, it's from 8th and playing one of Port, Sydney or Richmond.

Imagine Richmond v Essendon in an Elimination Final!

The scenes, Brian!

 

[Andronicus]

What happens if you fend off a player with your arm and you connect with the head ? Free Kick ! And if serious enough a suspension - It's a no-brainer.

Poor application of a different rule.

Hands in the back is a free, knees and feet in the back is not a free.

Not saying it is right or wrong what he did, but applying what happens in one instance doesn't always cross over to a completely different situation.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Imagine Richmond v Essendon in an Elimination Final!

The scenes, Brian!

AFL will love it will get close to 90k I reckon

 

[Beerfish]

Collingwood at times play the most insipid and boring footy imaginable - Reckon a snail could move the ball more quickly - Never seen the hype with Petracca - Has enough AFL attributes but struggles to feature in the play - Doubt he reads the play nearly well enough for a supposed elite player in the future.

You should have watched him earlier in the season then. He was great.

And yes Collingwood's style of play is baffling.

 

[BrunoV]

I don't see why you should be able to kick someone in face and get away with it though I accept that this is relatively uncharted territory.

I don't see why the AFL/MRP can't just use it as an example of what not to do ever again, state how it will be dealt with by the MRP for the rest of the year (at the end of which a rule will be written) and let Greene off due to uncertainty as to whether the action was allowable.

Whether it is a marking contest, to me, is irrelevant. The leg out is to protecting yourself as you jump in the air to take possession of the ball. Players don't jump into the air to receive a handball that often which is why this is unique situation.

 

[BrunoV]

Collingwood at times play the most insipid and boring footy imaginable - Reckon a snail could move the ball more quickly - Never seen the hype with Petracca - Has enough AFL attributes but struggles to feature in the play - Doubt he reads the play nearly well enough for a supposed elite player in the future.

But yaco, Buckley is a great football person, a great media performer and doesn't have a forward line.

 

[Mercurial89]

I don't see why you should be able to kick someone in face and get away with it though I accept that this is relatively uncharted territory.

I don't see why the AFL/MRP can't just use it as an example of what not to do ever again, state how it will be dealt with by the MRP for the rest of the year (at the end of which a rule will be written) and let Greene off due to uncertainty as to whether the action was allowable.

Whether it is a marking contest, to me, is irrelevant. The leg out is to protecting yourself as you jump in the air to take possession of the ball. Players don't jump into the air to receive a handball that often which is why this is unique situation.

I don't agree that it was a kick, you can put a foot out to protect yourself, doesn't matter if its a marking contest or not, if you are sitting under a ball with traffic coming the other way, you put that foot out.
Dalhaus ran into his leg and he extended to push off, just like you would any time, I don't think he looked at Dalhaus once, and hell if its a key forward or backman, hell even a tall midfielder it doesn't hit him in the face anyway. He wasn't looking at anything else other than the ball. So there is no "intention to harm" at all.

I have a real issue if we penalise a player for this just purely because a player got some cuts on his face. Its a rare incident, it will continue to be a rare incident if its handled properly. Don't punish a player on the eve of finals (who already cops it from the media) because you have to make some kind of game saving statement.
Let him off, put out a release to clubs and even media if you have to, if your foot is raised to protect yourself and hits a player high, we will be paying free kicks. That is all this needs, it certainly doesn't need a player sacrificed.

 

[Maddogm]

Don't punish a player on the eve of finals (who already cops it from the media) because you have to make some kind of game saving statement.

This is the AFL we're talking about.

 

[citizen-erased]

I don't agree that it was a kick, you can put a foot out to protect yourself, doesn't matter if its a marking contest or not, if you are sitting under a ball with traffic coming the other way, you put that foot out.
Dalhaus ran into his leg and he extended to push off, just like you would any time, I don't think he looked at Dalhaus once, and hell if its a key forward or backman, hell even a tall midfielder it doesn't hit him in the face anyway. He wasn't looking at anything else other than the ball. So there is no "intention to harm" at all.

I have a real issue if we penalise a player for this just purely because a player got some cuts on his face. Its a rare incident, it will continue to be a rare incident if its handled properly. Don't punish a player on the eve of finals (who already cops it from the media) because you have to make some kind of game saving statement.
Let him off, put out a release to clubs and even media if you have to, if your foot is raised to protect yourself and hits a player high, we will be paying free kicks. That is all this needs, it certainly doesn't need a player sacrificed.

agree
free kick, fair enough. Though it brings into contention knees to the back of the head in marking contests (seen some ugly ones of those that left players far worse off than Dahlhaus).

 

[Mercurial89]

agree
free kick, fair enough. Though it brings into contention knees to the back of the head in marking contests (seen some ugly ones of those that left players far worse off than Dahlhaus).

AFL is stuck in a position of their own making.

They have to be seen to be making the workplace safe, so if in 20 years once concussion is better understood they can point to any past player, or legal request that "hey look at the changes we made, we tried"

The issue is its a slippery slope.
Bumps to the head, fair enough stops the sniping we once had, that suddenly became an issue with players with head over the ball. It was somewhat mitigated by being penalised for holding the ball if you jumped on it, id argue.

We had the sling tackles, and now are in the midst of the pinning the arms debate of whether you can do it at all. (im looking forward to the media shitstorm when they start potting players for letting players get rid of the ball and losing close games if they put in some stupid rule like that).

Now we are starting to see if a head hits the ground at all it is a free kick.
We have the Toby Greene incident which wouldn't be talked about if it hadn't have been head contact.

But what next? As you mentioned, knees to the back of the head which are just as dangerous because you have no means to protect yourself and don't know its coming. Is that ok? Or do we just go "oh that's all fine because high marks yay excitement". So its a half measure then? if something looks good we allow it? Hmmm doesn't quite gel there.


What I understand but don't like is, yes its true we live in a litigious society, we are constantly trying to protect ourselves, and we are becoming increasingly risk averse.
But this is a professional sport that you sign up to play. It is a hard game, with physical contact, injuries and accidents will always occur. This needs to be understood and accepted. Not wholesale rule changes every single year, its not sustainable.

 

[Phone]

Don't punish a player on the eve of finals (who already cops it from the media) because you have to make some kind of game saving statement.

This seems like a worse thing to do than anything else.

He's either carelessly kicked a player, or carelessly made unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of an opponent, both of which are reportable offences. Simple as.

 

[Beerfish]

It seems we're currently in this purgatory where after years of only punishing the consequences rather than the action, they've started shifting the other way and are currently paying a bit of both.

 

[Mercurial89]

This seems like a worse thing to do than anything else.

He's either carelessly kicked a player, or carelessly made unreasonable or unnecessary contact to the face of an opponent, both of which are reportable offences. Simple as.

Do you believe he kicked him in the face? (like actually kicked, not stuck his boot out)
Do you believe that was his aim, to make contact to his face?

Do you think this should be a suspendable offence? Rather than just a free kick at the ground?

 

[hurlygurdy]

Do you believe he kicked him in the face? (like actually kicked, not stuck his boot out)
Do you believe that was his aim, to make contact to his face?

Do you think this should be a suspendable offence? Rather than just a free kick at the ground?

yes he kicked him in the face. Call it a straight leg extension if not a kick, but it makes no difference. He did it at head height so he had to know that there was a solid chance of making contact to the face. It was negligent and most importantly dangerous. Worthy of a week or so.

 

[Phone]

This isn't some kind of weird honour code system where only intentional actions are to be judged. What he meant to do only affects the length of the penalty. He doesn't get to avoid any kind of further action because aww shucks he didn't mean to do it. He carelessly stuck his boot for what can't be considered any kind of footballing reason and as a result someone walked into it. (and that's with me being very generous in calling it 'careless'.) There absolutely should be room to consider such an unusual action a reportable offence and allowing possible further response after the game. Wrestling is also a reportable offence, ditto pinching. It's why there's a blanket "Misconduct" offence. (and I'm just gonna note that I'm only arguing in favour of his action being a reportable offence)

 

[TheBrightSide]

Melbourne supporters.