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Well, it hasn't taken long for the wheels to come off the AFL handling of the Hawthorn racism allegations. Certainly, if there's no adverse finding, the complainants will be calling it a pre-determined outcome to suit the AFL.


One of the women to have made sickening accusations against senior figures at the Hawthorn Football Club has announced she will not co-operate with the AFL’s investigation into the scandal.

But the AFL stands by its process, releasing a statement on Wednesday afternoon stating it can “only investigate the matter under AFL Rules” due to its jurisdiction.

The woman, referred to as “Amy” to protect her identity and partner of ex-Hawks player “Ian,” alleged they were forced to terminate a pregnancy led by key Hawthorn staffers, has been identified in the statement released by Marque Lawyers on Wednesday.
The statement claims the AFL ignored the woman when establishing the framework for the investigation, leaving her with no option but to walk away. Marque Lawyers claim the AFL gave “Amy” just two days to address the terms of reference before they were established.

But the AFL has defended the way the Terms of Reference for the investigation was pulled together. “As part of the detailed consultation process preceding the commencement of the investigation, proposed terms of reference were sent to the lawyers representing the potential participants and we took into consideration all their comments and concerns. Ultimately there needs to be balance of considerations (including cultural safety and fairness) and different perspectives and no individual had all their requests met,” the statement read.

It has for weeks been reported that several people to have made the accusations against the football club had concerns about being involved in the investigation process because of the clear conflict of interest for the AFL. Despite the league’s insistence the investigation would be entirely independent, one of the women has now announced she will be taking a stand by refusing to participate. In a statement released by Marque Lawyers, the legal team acting for one of the accusers, a women referred to as “Amy” says: “I could either stay numb and silent, or I could find my voice and play my part in the struggle to try and create safety and protection for our young ones who would inevitably face these systems”. The statement released by Marque Lawyers also revealed the further trauma “Amy” has relived since the bombshell report first made headlines, while calling the AFL “disingenuous” and says claims the process will be independent are “a lie”. “Amy has had to work through the guilt she feels at having stayed silent back then; that perhaps, had she said something, she could have prevented it happening to others,” the legal team says in the statement. “Although, as she says, “it’s a little hard to speak up when it feels like your voice box has been pulled out of your throat”.”

It’s believed Amy is the second alleged victim to walk away from the AFL probe.

The statement says the investigation report “will be the property of the AFL”.
 
Well, it hasn't taken long for the wheels to come off the AFL handling of the Hawthorn racism allegations. Certainly, if there's no adverse finding, the complainants will be calling it a pre-determined outcome to suit the AFL.


One of the women to have made sickening accusations against senior figures at the Hawthorn Football Club has announced she will not co-operate with the AFL’s investigation into the scandal.

But the AFL stands by its process, releasing a statement on Wednesday afternoon stating it can “only investigate the matter under AFL Rules” due to its jurisdiction.

The woman, referred to as “Amy” to protect her identity and partner of ex-Hawks player “Ian,” alleged they were forced to terminate a pregnancy led by key Hawthorn staffers, has been identified in the statement released by Marque Lawyers on Wednesday.
The statement claims the AFL ignored the woman when establishing the framework for the investigation, leaving her with no option but to walk away. Marque Lawyers claim the AFL gave “Amy” just two days to address the terms of reference before they were established.

But the AFL has defended the way the Terms of Reference for the investigation was pulled together. “As part of the detailed consultation process preceding the commencement of the investigation, proposed terms of reference were sent to the lawyers representing the potential participants and we took into consideration all their comments and concerns. Ultimately there needs to be balance of considerations (including cultural safety and fairness) and different perspectives and no individual had all their requests met,” the statement read.

It has for weeks been reported that several people to have made the accusations against the football club had concerns about being involved in the investigation process because of the clear conflict of interest for the AFL. Despite the league’s insistence the investigation would be entirely independent, one of the women has now announced she will be taking a stand by refusing to participate. In a statement released by Marque Lawyers, the legal team acting for one of the accusers, a women referred to as “Amy” says: “I could either stay numb and silent, or I could find my voice and play my part in the struggle to try and create safety and protection for our young ones who would inevitably face these systems”. The statement released by Marque Lawyers also revealed the further trauma “Amy” has relived since the bombshell report first made headlines, while calling the AFL “disingenuous” and says claims the process will be independent are “a lie”. “Amy has had to work through the guilt she feels at having stayed silent back then; that perhaps, had she said something, she could have prevented it happening to others,” the legal team says in the statement. “Although, as she says, “it’s a little hard to speak up when it feels like your voice box has been pulled out of your throat”.”

It’s believed Amy is the second alleged victim to walk away from the AFL probe.

The statement says the investigation report “will be the property of the AFL”.
She makes a reasonable point. The AFL has plenty of skin in the game here and really should have distanced itself from the investigation
 
Nov 23, 2015
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This story expands the allegations against Norths' Tarryn Thomas - there would seem to be numerous, what I would categorise as reasonably serious allegations around violence and threats of violence against women.


In a report by The Herald Sun, the AFL Integrity Unit was made aware of allegations against Thomas that include harassment and threatening behaviour, with one woman reportedly hospitalised from an incident last year and subsequently provided with a psychologist by the league.
Further allegations were made against Thomas by multiple women, with the 22-year-old allegedly telling a woman he wanted to beat her, sending threatening text messages and throwing a lamp at a woman in a hotel room.

News Corp's report states the AFL were alerted to Thomas' alleged behaviour and told one woman the North Melbourne player's actions were "not acceptable" last July. It is understood that two women have been left disappointed in the AFL's handling of the matter. “It's discouraging to see that the AFL and North Melbourne are aware how many women have (made allegations against Tarryn), yet it is still being overlooked," one victim told The Herald Sun. “It feels as though Tarryn is untouchable and the women he has affected have been silenced, due to fear and power imbalance. The women affected have been offered counselling sessions by the AFL which just feels like an attempt to keep us at bay by making us feel like they care and are supporting us so we are less inclined to speak up. Tarryn is being treated like he has committed a white-collar crime but there is nothing white-collar about threatening, intimidating, abusing, assaulting and stalking multiple women. This makes me feel like he is untouchable and on a pedestal and I question whether this would be the same had it been a different player or team”.

Text messages between Thomas and one woman have also been reportedly uncovered, with Thomas allegedly telling the woman: “You're a f —king joke … keep talking sh-t … sh-t going to come around soon … your turn will come … sh-t is going to go down … I'm not a n---- to be f —ked with.”

Further messages from another woman speaking on Thomas read: “I'm too scared … i know he's gonna kill me”.

On Wednesday Hood wrote a letter in response to the allegations coming to light in the media, stating the club is taking the allegations "extremely seriously". Thomas was charged by Victoria Police with one count of threatening to distribute an intimate image last month. Hood stated that the club will not comment on the pending court case as they await the outcome. "The advice provided by the AFL following these incidents was that Tarryn should undertake training and education to deal with his behavioural issues."
 

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And new allegations have been made after Norths' President sends out her email to members.


North Melbourne utility Tarryn Thomas is taking time away from the AFL club after fresh allegations emerged of what the Kangaroos deemed to be "inappropriate behaviour". The new allegations reportedly involve threatening a woman. The AFL's integrity unit informed the Kangaroos of the allegation on Wednesday afternoon, just hours after club president Sonja Hood released a statement referring to "serious and confronting allegations" against Thomas.

The allegations referred to by Hood in an open letter to members were followed by fresh claims of abuse against Thomas. "Tarryn Thomas will take time away from the club after the AFL's Integrity Unit informed North Melbourne of a new allegation of inappropriate behaviour," the Kangaroos said in a statement on Wednesday night. "As detailed in the club's statement earlier on Wednesday, the club and Thomas made a commitment to co-operate fully in any investigation if new information was presented. In light of this new information, Thomas will remain away from the club while the AFL gathers further information about the allegations."
 
Weren't there a few in here that were keen to pick him up at the end of last season?

He'll be a bargain basement but now guys!
There is a chance that this is is the end for him.
Not having much luck the roos
 
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Port Adelaide utility Jeremy Finlayson will undergo ankle surgery in the coming days after being injured in a training drill.

The club says Finlayson, who played 20 games last year in his first season with the Power, is still expected to be fit for Round 1. In a club statement, Port said: “Finlayson had his left ankle caught under a teammate as he was tackled and was unable to complete training. The suspected syndesmosis injury was confirmed on MRI imaging, with the need for surgery confirmed. The 26-year-old is expected to be available to play in the club’s season opener against Brisbane on March 18.”
 
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Former Hawthorn star Cyril Rioli and wife Shannyn have reportedly made submissions to the AFL inquiry into alleged racism at Hawthorn. The Age reported on Friday that the pair were participating in the inquiry, which centres on allegations of mistreatment of First Nations players between 2008 and 2016.

Close to 18 written submissions have also been made, according to the report, which stem from the club having invited over 100 past players to participate in the inquiry. While the AFL initially projected a December 2022 end date for the investigation, it is now poised to stretch into a fourth month.

The original Hawthorn review was penned by former AFL player Phil Egan, who signed a nondisclosure agreement with Hawthorn that currently prevents him from discussing the contents of his report with the independent panel commissioned by the league. “As it stands, Phil and his company Binmada have signed a nondisclosure agreement with Hawthorn not to talk about or discuss in any way, shape, or form the contents of the report,” Egan’s legal adviser Peter Jess told the Herald Sun. “It is still in place, and for him to talk to the AFL, he must be released from that. He has also asked if the AFL would indemnify him from any costs that flow from him talking about his report, and the AFL have refused.


VFL House seemingly doing their usual dodge, duck, deflect & delay strategy on tough problems.
 
Nov 23, 2015
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Good thing we didn;t include Castangna in the Hopper/Taranto trades!


THREE-time Richmond premiership player Jason Castagna has announced his shock retirement from the AFL at the age of 26.
Castagna informed his teammates on Monday, citing a lack of desire to continue at the highest level.
 

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Congratulations and sincere best wishes to Jeremy Finlayson - hope all goes well in his life despite the devastating medical news of his new wife’s health.
 
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In no way is this a political post what you vote on “the voice” is up to you.

But wonder what the Swans think of this person being extremely “anti-voice” on national tv with their merch on.
Especially with Buddy, Goodes and O’Loughlin as well, being some of the faces of the yes movement.
 

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Just imagine.
Don't even need to imagine.

Toby, studs up - rule change implemented immediately.

Jack Riewoldt, studs up, free kick paid under said rule - "Not like that", rule change implemented immediately.
 
Nov 23, 2015
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In a punchy press release on Tuesday night, McLachlan said: “See you in Tassie tomorrow.” McLachlan will front a press conference at North Hobart Oval at 2.15pm (AEST), alongside Premier Jeremy Rockliff and Acting Prime Minister Richard Marles. Triple premiership players Alastair Lynch and Jack Riewoldt, as well as Kangaroos AFLW star Nicole Bresnehan and Tasmania Task Force chair Brett Godfrey will also be in attendance.

How much detail is revealed about the team’s entry — including whether its first season will be in 2027 or 2028 — remains uncertain. The Age reported on Tuesday night the new team would have the right to bid for the sons of any former Tasmanian AFL player that played over 100 games, as well as a $1 million pool outside of the salary cap to fund sign-on bonuses to attract players.

Meanwhile, Chris Scott, who’s deal with Geelong expires at the conclusion of the 2024 campaign, said he thinks the league will learn from past errors with other expansion sides.

“I think the AFL will learn a lot and iterate what happened on the back of what happened at the Gold Coast and GWS. It’s impossible to set up new teams without making mistakes,” he said. “There’s too much in my opinion spoken about where these places are ... if the footy team is set up well enough and structured well enough and has a level of success early enough and some identity, it could be virtually anywhere. Get the team right and club right first and the rest will flow from there.”

The Cats boss said he believes Tasmania would need to experienced players when it first forms its list. “They need some experience. I think the whole competition has learned this idea that: ‘We’ll just get a heap of young talent in and wait 10 years to be successful’,” Scott said. “Look, it may well work, but it’s a huge risk to wait a decade to see if your gamble has paid off.”
 
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Here are the current AFL players who come out of contract and their age in late 2027:

Patrick Cripps (Carlton) - 32
Dan McStay (Collingwood) - 32
Jordan De Goey (Collingwood) - 31
Peter Wright (Essendon) - 31
Zach Merrett (Essendon) - 32
Heath Chapman (Fremantle) - 25
Caleb Serong (Fremantle) - 26
Hayden Young (Fremantle) - 26
Luke Ryan (Fremantle) - 31
Noah Anderson (Gold Coast) - 26
Touk Miller (Gold Coast) - 31
Lachie Whitfield (GWS) - 33
Tom Green (GWS) - 26
James Sicily (Hawthorn) - 32
Will Day (Hawthorn) - 26
Brodie Grundy (Melbourne) - 33
Kysaiah Pickett (Melbourne) - 26
Trent Rivers (Melbourne) - 26
Griffin Logue (North Melbourne) - 29
Dan Houston (Port Adelaide) - 30
Daniel Rioli (Richmond) - 30
Jayden Short (Richmond) - 31
Jack Steele (St Kilda) - 32
Rowan Marshall (St Kilda) - 32
Tom McCartin (Sydney) - 28
Bailey Dale (Western Bulldogs) - 31
Jack Macrae (Western Bulldogs) - 33

And here’s a list of every current Tasmanian AFL player:
Chayce Jones (Adelaide), Lachie Cowan (Carlton), Jeremy Howe (Collingwood), Brody Mihocek (Collingwood), Jye Menzie (Essendon), Andrew Phillips (Essendon), Alex Pearce (Fremantle), Jake Kolodjashnij (Geelong), Lachie Weller (Gold Coast), Ben Brown (Melbourne), Aaron Hall (North Melbourne), Tarryn Thomas (North Melbourne), Hugh Greenwood (North Melbourne), Tom McCallum (Port Adelaide), Samuel Banks (Richmond), Toby Nankervis (Richmond), Jack Riewoldt (Richmond), Rhyan Mansell (Richmond), Seth Campbell (Richmond), Jimmy Webster (St Kilda), Robbie Fox (Sydney), Cameron Owen (Sydney), Ryan Gardner (Western Bulldogs), Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs).

Of course, there would be a lot of additional players who will come of contract at the end of 2023, 2024, 2025 & 2026 who would also be in the sights of the new club.

To be honest, I'm not really expecting a bunch of blokes to be straining to jump ship to Tasmania/a start-up club, but depending on how the player build is planned, there might be guys who jump at potentially big bucks (a la Ward, Davis & Scully).

I would hope that a better player build approach is achieved - more experienced players at the start and less high draft picks in year 1, but extra draft picks spread over the first several years of their existence. Perhaps a signing bonus (akin to COLA) might be an option. Even a sliding scale e.g. 3 year initial contract +15% (paid by AFL), 4 years = +20%, 5 years = +25% (with some minor caveats).
 

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