News NWM stays at Saints (Will Faulkner wrong about being crows bound)

[Portmagpies36]

Butters to Hawks? That would unlock some value somehow.

What’s the next step? Just fold?

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

He’s a ruckman there’s just something about the quality of the talls if a ruckman is number one.

I don’t like this draft at all.

In previous years, you could hear how exciting upcoming prospects are but this year, I haven't heard as much excitement regarding this years draft crop. Still early but yeah.

I am very intrigued as to what Port's draft strategy will be this year since they will have to take the mandatory three selections and with already a weak draft hand in a weak compromised draft, it would be hard to imagine a player slipping or sliding with their first pick as it stands.

 

[240volt]

Think the Dogs should solve their defensive woes first and foremost before deciding to add another mid imo.

For all the talk about how the Dogs' list is "stacked"; namely the Korn, their defensive back leaves a little to be desired.

It’s been like that for donkeys years, always been a one way side.
Even back to the Kelvin Templeton days.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

It’s been like that for donkeys years, always been a one way side.
Even back to the Kelvin Templeton days.

BuT tHe DoG's aRe StAcKeD - kOrN

 

[bomberclifford]

I find the whole concept of having a 79 page thread on our board dedicated to an opposition player that hasn’t even publicly declared a trade request to us, to be quite icky.

The attitude of some posters in here, getting agro at desperate saints fans over the value of NWM (who again, hasn’t publicly said he wants out, let alone nominated Port yet) seems off to me too - especially considering we were on the other side of this last year with Houston, and potentially next year with Butters as well.

As we well know, it sucks to have one of your best players potentially want out and having oppo supporters then jump down your throat with how you should be grateful for accepting unders.

I know it’s an interesting topic, and an exciting potential acquisition for Port - and this is an open forum for discussing niche football topics.

I also know there’s a lot of posters here who would be incredibly annoyed if the Bulldogs board started a thread about Butters - and began talking with authority over the speculation that he wants to go to Victoria.

Of course, as a port supporter I would love it if we landed NWM - but I feel like the daily chatter about it in this thread is very premature.

Thanks for your input, John Kale.

 

[agmsy]

I think we’d need to pony up three first rounders in that situation (2027 first) if we want a trade to get done relatively easily. We could try and get some later picks back in the future drafts for our academy/FS selections.

We could also be dicks like Geelong and say pick 8 or nothing and push him to the ND. I don’t like the stress of him going to the draft in that scenario though.

After matching Geelong's RFA bid in 2015, Adelaide traded Patrick Dangerfield and pick 50 for pick 9, pick 28, and Dean Gore.

After matching Geelong's RFA bid in 2020, GWS traded Jeremy Cameron, Essendon's 2021 second rounder (pick 32), and their own 2021 second rounder (pick 35) for pick 13, pick 15, pick 20, and Geelong's 2021 fourth rounder (pick 60).

Wanganeen-Milera is already a good player, and he's trending in the right direction, but he's not yet worth as much as prime Dangerfield and Cameron.

Something might already have to give if we're to accumulate enough points to select every 2026 and 2027 academy and F/S prospect we're interested in. Acquiring a 2025 first round pick and then trading it out with our 2026 and 2027 first rounders would make that even tougher.

 

[longdonkey]

Offers would have to be anywhere from 1.5m to 2m for Butters id assume.

Anyone else in the know please correct me but I heard the number of $1 million players with year was 30. We seem to be rushing to $2 million pretty quickly.

 

[#Port Patriot#]

In previous years, you could hear how exciting upcoming prospects are but this year, I haven't heard as much excitement regarding this years draft crop. Still early but yeah.

I am very intrigued as to what Port's draft strategy will be this year since they will have to take the mandatory three selections and with already a weak draft hand in a weak compromised draft, it would be hard to imagine a player slipping or sliding with their first pick as it stands.

Clubs only have to fill list vacancies. Whilst there is a mandatory to actively recruit and the number is 3 draft selections, if the club has no list spots available due to retaining players and/or trading players prior to draft then they do not have to use draft picks in the draft. So exanple, Port delist 4 players from the list and trade in 2 players then they only need to use 2 draft selections in the draft not the mandatory 3. If they delist 1 player and trade one out and trade one in leaving 1 spot free then they only need to use one selection in the draft not the mandatory 3. So they can offer the other draft selection picks off to other clubs as a trade for futures.

 

[agmsy]

Clubs only have to fill list vacancies. Whilst there is a mandatory to actively recruit and the number is 3 draft selections, if the club has no list spots available due to retaining players and/or trading players prior to draft then they do not have to use draft picks in the draft. So exanple, Port delist 4 players from the list and trade in 2 players then they only need to use 2 draft selections in the draft not the mandatory 3. If they delist 1 player and trade one out and trade one in leaving 1 spot free then they only need to use one selection in the draft not the mandatory 3. So they can offer the other draft selection picks off to other clubs as a trade for futures.

Not exactly.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...L-Rules-effective-14-February-2025-Final-.pdf

Every club has to make at least three selections in the National Draft. Every player you select directly with a draft pick you hold counts as a selection.

6.2 Procedure for National Draft Selection Meeting

(d) Number of Draft Selections​

(i) At a National Draft Selection Meeting:​

(A) each Club shall exercise a minimum of 3 Draft selections (including selections forfeited under Rules 8.6, 10.11(a), 13.4(b), 14.4(d) and 15.8(b));​

If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated Father/Son players, that Father/Son player counts as a selection.

8.6 Father/Son Listing Forego Draft Selection
A Club may include a Player on its Primary List under this Father/Son Rule by selecting the Player at the National Draft Selection Meeting in accordance with the Determination for the National Draft Bidding System.

If a player is on your rookie list and you promote that player to your primary list, that player counts as a selection.

10.11 Inclusion of Rookie List Player onto Primary List

(a) Primary List​

A Club may apply to the AFL to transfer a Player or Players from its Rookie List onto its Primary List:​

(i) on the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 6.1 by lodging with the AFL the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each previous draft selection at the National AFL Draft Selection meeting.​

(ii) in the case of a Category B Rookie, under Rule 26.1; or​

(iii) at any time between the National Draft Selection Meeting and the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 7.1, by lodging with the AFL the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each previous draft selection at the Pre-Season Draft Selection Meeting.​

If a player is on your international scholarship list and you promote that player to your primary list, that player counts as a selection.

13.4 Inclusion of International Scholarship List Player onto Primary List

(b) Subject to the International Scholarship List Player meeting age requirements under Rule 6, a Club may apply to the AFL to transfer a Player or Players from its International Scholarship List onto its Primary List on the day when its Primary List is lodged with the AFL prior to the National Draft Selection Meeting under Rule 6.1 and must lodge with the AFL the form prescribed in Schedule 1 as Form 33. In which case, the Club shall forfeit its last selection or, if more than one player, its last and each previous draft selection at the National AFL Draft Selection meeting.​

If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated academy players, that academy player counts as a selection (this is specifically for the Northern academies managed by the NSW and Qld teams).

14.4 Listing of Club Academy Player

(d) Club Academy Player Draft Selection​

A Club may include a Player on its Primary List under this Rule 14 by selecting the Player at the National Draft Selection Meeting in accordance with the Determination for the National Draft Bidding System.​

If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated NGA players, that NGA player counts as a selection.

15.8 Qualified NGA Players

(b) Qualified NGA Player Draft Selection​

Subject to the requirements of this Rule 15.8, a Club may include a Qualified NGA Player as a Player on its Primary List by selecting the Qualified NGA Player at the National Draft Selection Meeting in accordance with the Determination for the National Draft Bidding System.​

Players traded in or signed as free agents do not count as selections.

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Not exactly.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/do...L-Rules-effective-14-February-2025-Final-.pdf

Every club has to make at least three selections in the National Draft. Every player you select directly with a draft pick you hold counts as a selection.



If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated Father/Son players, that Father/Son player counts as a selection.



If a player is on your rookie list and you promote that player to your primary list, that player counts as a selection.



If a player is on your international scholarship list and you promote that player to your primary list, that player counts as a selection.



If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated academy players, that academy player counts as a selection (this is specifically for the Northern academies managed by the NSW and Qld teams).



If you match another club's bid for one of your nominated NGA players, that NGA player counts as a selection.



Players traded in or signed as free agents do not count as selections.

Never stated that players they trade in or free agents they get in are counted.

AFL Player Rules – Rule 6.4: Minimum Draft Selections

"Each Club must make a minimum of three (3) selections in the National Draft, provided the Club has at least three (3) vacant positions on its Primary List at the time of the National Draft. If a Club has fewer than three (3) vacant positions on its Primary List due to retaining players, trading in players, or other list management decisions, the Club is only required to make selections equivalent to the number of vacant positions available. If a Club has no vacant positions on its Primary List, it is not required to participate in the National Draft."

That there means that if a club retains players instead of delisting as example, or trades in etc and there are no list spots available prior to the draft then that club does not need have a mandatory to select and use 3 draft selections.

 

[agmsy]

Never stated that players they trade in or free agents they get in are counted.

AFL Player Rules – Rule 6.4: Minimum Draft Selections

"Each Club must make a minimum of three (3) selections in the National Draft, provided the Club has at least three (3) vacant positions on its Primary List at the time of the National Draft. If a Club has fewer than three (3) vacant positions on its Primary List due to retaining players, trading in players, or other list management decisions, the Club is only required to make selections equivalent to the number of vacant positions available. If a Club has no vacant positions on its Primary List, it is not required to participate in the National Draft."

That there means that if a club retains players instead of delisting as example, or trades in etc and there are no list spots available prior to the draft then that club does not need have a mandatory to select and use 3 draft selections.

Do you mind sharing a link to those rules? I couldn't find the passage you're quoting in the rules, regulations, nor laws of the game.

 

[John Kale]

Thanks for your input, John Kale.

My pleasure Bomber. Loved your goal in the 1981 GF

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Do you mind sharing a link to those rules? I couldn't find the passage you're quoting in the rules, regulations, nor laws of the game.

That specific passage was actually from Grok funny enough, the links provided must of been removed from recently being up on AFL draft. But was collected from all AFL rules and information.

 

[Rigs]

He should sign if he’s staying, if he has intentions to leave better this year isn’t it?

If i recall correctly, Butters recently said he will take this off season to evaluate what he wants to do in regards to his next contract.

 

[MrChow]

I’d be interested in what the market value is for a first round pick in 2 years time?

We have seen regularly that a future 1st and a current 2nd, can get you into the first round, with say a future 3rd coming back.

in isolation, I can’t see a club swapping a future 1st in 2 years time, for much more than the same?

Different clubs will have different values too, ie those in the Premiership Window with older lists, would be more inclined to trade out future 1sts for immediate players.

Then there’s also that this year is a poor draft with loads of academy selections, and perhaps future picks are worth a bit more.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

If i recall correctly, Butters recently said he will take this off season to evaluate what he wants to do in regards to his next contract.

Which is a good indication he is going to stay IMO.

If your leaving you tell people you are going to decide at the start of the year.

 

[Papa G]

Everybody seems to be saying Waganeen is the second coming of Jesus. But is he really that good? I don't really watch footy any more So I have no idea? Do his stats get greatly padded by taking kickouts? Does he get a ton of cheap ball? Does he play outside and get cheapies when Ross Lyons negative game plan demands it? Does he have courage?

There seems to be a lot of comparisons with Butters (not so much on gamestyle but worth), and I've got to say he'd have to be something absolutely special to be in that stratosphere. Just seems OTT. He hasn't achieved shit yet.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Everybody seems to be saying Waganeen is the second coming of Jesus. But is he really that good? I don't really watch footy any more So I have no idea? Do his stats get greatly padded by taking kickouts? Does he get a ton of cheap ball? Does he play outside and get cheapies when Ross Lyons negative game plan demands it? Does he have courage?

There seems to be a lot of comparisons with Butters (not so much on gamestyle but worth), and I've got to say he'd have to be something absolutely special to be in that stratosphere. Just seems OTT. He hasn't achieved shit yet.

They clearly play through him.

However, he's a value for touches guy, who gets a lot of touches.

 

[Chrizzt]

Everybody seems to be saying Waganeen is the second coming of Jesus. But is he really that good? I don't really watch footy any more So I have no idea? Do his stats get greatly padded by taking kickouts? Does he get a ton of cheap ball? Does he play outside and get cheapies when Ross Lyons negative game plan demands it? Does he have courage?

There seems to be a lot of comparisons with Butters (not so much on gamestyle but worth), and I've got to say he'd have to be something absolutely special to be in that stratosphere. Just seems OTT. He hasn't achieved shit yet.

Relatively tall, quick, agile, a great kick and steady hands - so has all the physical attributes.

Great footy IQ, reads the play and makes good decisions - so is a threat on field.

However, I am a little scared by his low contested numbers. Does he only look so good this year because the Saints are chock full of blue collar mids who can win the footy who just scoop it out to NWM every time to actually attack with?

All in all he's at the very least a very handy footballer, so while there is a risk of overpaying, I don't think we would ever regret bringing him into the side.

Edit: TL;DR? What Zakk said ^

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Everybody seems to be saying Waganeen is the second coming of Jesus. But is he really that good? I don't really watch footy any more So I have no idea? Do his stats get greatly padded by taking kickouts? Does he get a ton of cheap ball? Does he play outside and get cheapies when Ross Lyons negative game plan demands it? Does he have courage?

There seems to be a lot of comparisons with Butters (not so much on gamestyle but worth), and I've got to say he'd have to be something absolutely special to be in that stratosphere. Just seems OTT. He hasn't achieved shit yet.

He's a great kick, so St Kilda feed him the ball.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I find the whole concept of having a 79 page thread on our board dedicated to an opposition player that hasn’t even publicly declared a trade request to us, to be quite icky.

The attitude of some posters in here, getting agro at desperate saints fans over the value of NWM (who again, hasn’t publicly said he wants out, let alone nominated Port yet) seems off to me too - especially considering we were on the other side of this last year with Houston, and potentially next year with Butters as well.

As we well know, it sucks to have one of your best players potentially want out and having oppo supporters then jump down your throat with how you should be grateful for accepting unders.

I know it’s an interesting topic, and an exciting potential acquisition for Port - and this is an open forum for discussing niche football topics.

I also know there’s a lot of posters here who would be incredibly annoyed if the Bulldogs board started a thread about Butters - and began talking with authority over the speculation that he wants to go to Victoria.

Of course, as a port supporter I would love it if we landed NWM - but I feel like the daily chatter about it in this thread is very premature.

I'm happy to nominate this post for Worst Post of the Year in the Port Adelaide Forum.

 

[theouthouse]

There were quite a few kicks around the body in the highlights I saw against Geelong when he was in the midfield. Didn't scream out Judd or Butters or Dangerfield with explosiveness. Still going to need a big hard arsed body in the midfield.

 

[John Kale]

I'm happy to nominate this post for Worst Post of the Year in the Port Adelaide Forum.

 

[MrChow]

I find the whole concept of having a 79 page thread on our board dedicated to an opposition player that hasn’t even publicly declared a trade request to us, to be quite icky.

The attitude of some posters in here, getting agro at desperate saints fans over the value of NWM (who again, hasn’t publicly said he wants out, let alone nominated Port yet) seems off to me too - especially considering we were on the other side of this last year with Houston, and potentially next year with Butters as well.

As we well know, it sucks to have one of your best players potentially want out and having oppo supporters then jump down your throat with how you should be grateful for accepting unders.

I know it’s an interesting topic, and an exciting potential acquisition for Port - and this is an open forum for discussing niche football topics.

I also know there’s a lot of posters here who would be incredibly annoyed if the Bulldogs board started a thread about Butters - and began talking with authority over the speculation that he wants to go to Victoria.

Of course, as a port supporter I would love it if we landed NWM - but I feel like the daily chatter about it in this thread is very premature.

This page has so much discussion, because whether you like it or not, list management has more impact than any other part of the football program on whether non-Vic teams win flags.

Non-Vic teams have to get everything perfect list wise before they can even challenge for a flag. Outside of amalgamations, COLA, when teams first entering the leagues and their lists were primed, now Northern academies, the only non-Vic team to win flags was West Coast in 2006 and 2018.

You could argue last year Brisbane had the advantages of Northern Academies (Harris Andrew’s and Hipwood) and a priority pick which eventually got them Charlie Cameron.

Also you add to the advantages Vic clubs have had for father-sons over the years to build their lists, like Geelong. And don’t get me started on priority picks and how they gave teams like Hawthorn an extra couple of stars, in their flag wins.

Finally filling holes in lists when getting close to winning a flag, is so much harder as a non-Vic side, with Vic sides having a huge pool of players (with go home factor) to choose from.

Anyway, just the idea of getting NWM, has more impact on our flag chances then the day to day coaching and current players, which is why this and the JHF thread went bananas.

I mean what else is there to talk about now? It’s not like John Butcher is in the side anymore…?

 

[Papa G]

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Whilst icky was a shit way to describe it, I must admit, these type threads bring out the nutters, arguing till they are blue in the face over something they have zero idea or control over. Generally Posters with NFI. Its all very Vicky Pollard.