Mega Thread Official 2012 Draft discussion thread: All drafts complete.

[Blackas87]

Does that mean Melbourne are expecting to take Viney at 3? Considering how Carter will be late-first/early second, you wouldn't have any picks other than 26 to obtain his services.

No, but there is the possibility we won't be taking Viney at 26 so we need to have a list of other players we might take with it.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Not a huge difference. It's still a valid point with Swift, nothing is guaranteed after such a serious injury.

Nothing's guaranteed - no doubt.

But there is a huge difference in the performance of these two.

Swift was also a fitness freak who just racked up the ball - he made a name for himself through being an outside accumulator - and from what I've heard was well ahead of his age group in terms of fitness.

If he's there at pick 13 and we leave him I don't know what I'd do.

 

[dee64]

Nothing's guaranteed - no doubt.

But there is a huge difference in the performance of these two.

Swift was also a fitness freak who just racked up the ball - he made a name for himself through being an outside accumulator - and from what I've heard was well ahead of his age group in terms of fitness.

If he's there at pick 13 and we leave him I don't know what I'd do.

A fitness freak who can rack up the ball is a pretty good attribute for an AFL midfielder. If Stringer is a power athlete who relies on strength, he will find it more difficult at AFL level particularly if his pace is diminished by his injury.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

I think you've missed the point, Swift made a name for himself based on his numbers while playing against guys he was a lot fitter than ... not what he actually did with the ball.

 

[Blackas87]

Just an idea but what if we trade picks 3 and 13 and possibly a player to GWS for both mini draft picks as one trade.
That will just about guarantee GWS drafting Grundy at pick 3 as well as picking up a decent player at 13
That would give us pick 4 and Viney at 26 this year and Martin and Hogan next year, 4 guns all rated extremely high.
If GWS don't take it they can trade for picks 5, 6 or something later and risk missing Grundy.
If GWS want Grundy so bad they'll be trying to stop GC bidding on Viney hopefully.

 

[Devastating Boris]

I know the club has looked at the possibility of getting both those picks but not sure what the result was. I doubt we can make it work but we'll see I guess.

 

[00Stinger]

Nothing's guaranteed - no doubt.

But there is a huge difference in the performance of these two.

Swift was also a fitness freak who just racked up the ball - he made a name for himself through being an outside accumulator - and from what I've heard was well ahead of his age group in terms of fitness.

If he's there at pick 13 and we leave him I don't know what I'd do.

Sounds like Scully MKII

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

Sounds like Scully MKII

Swift's been on WCE's list since 2008...

I was talking about Stringer for pick 13!!

 

[Beats]

Just an idea but what if we trade picks 3 and 13 and possibly a player to GWS for both mini draft picks as one trade.
That will just about guarantee GWS drafting Grundy at pick 3 as well as picking up a decent player at 13
That would give us pick 4 and Viney at 26 this year and Martin and Hogan next year, 4 guns all rated extremely high.
If GWS don't take it they can trade for picks 5, 6 or something later and risk missing Grundy.
If GWS want Grundy so bad they'll be trying to stop GC bidding on Viney hopefully.

Why would we give them pick 3, rather than 4... so that they can get Grundy?

And what's to stop the bulldogs (or the like of) coming in and offering pick 5 and a player for the second mini draft pick? GWS would then get pick 4, 5 and a player, rather than 4, 13 and a player.

Out of interest, how do you propose that GWS are going to stop GC from bidding?

Also, I haven't paid too much attention to the u/18s this year, how does a Hogan/ Martin stack up against a Grundy/ Toumpas (or others likely to be available at 3/4)?

 

[deeman87]

All this talk of get them to stop bidding is ridiculous. That's draft tampering and heavily punished, no way we'd even broach that subject with either GC or GWS and rightly so.

 

[Eth]

Just an idea but what if we trade picks 3 and 13 and possibly a player to GWS for both mini draft picks as one trade.
That will just about guarantee GWS drafting Grundy at pick 3 as well as picking up a decent player at 13
That would give us pick 4 and Viney at 26 this year and Martin and Hogan next year, 4 guns all rated extremely high.
If GWS don't take it they can trade for picks 5, 6 or something later and risk missing Grundy.
If GWS want Grundy so bad they'll be trying to stop GC bidding on Viney hopefully.

That relies on Viney being passed on by GWS and GC prior to any of that occurring.

And, to be fair, I'd rather a couple of midfielders that we can chuck straight into the centre in a Toumpas/Wines/Macrae mould - players that will have a crack and make an impact in 2013 over developmental key forward prospects which, with Cook staying, I still believe we're okay for.

If there was an O'Meara type who's smacking everybody as an underage kid in the U18s, then I'd be for it. But for now, I think we're better off not going for the minidraft and instead picking the high-quality midfielders that are there.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Nothing's guaranteed - no doubt.

But there is a huge difference in the performance of these two.

Swift was also a fitness freak who just racked up the ball - he made a name for himself through being an outside accumulator - and from what I've heard was well ahead of his age group in terms of fitness.

If he's there at pick 13 and we leave him I don't know what I'd do.

You would get over it mate. I have faith in our FD for the first time in years to make the right decisions in terms of who they want to draft and how they fit within our structures. Stringer might sound good but he is coming from a long way back - are we in a position as a club to take tat risk or do we need more of a sure thing?

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

You would get over it mate. I have faith in our FD for the first time in years to make the right decisions in terms of who they want to draft and how they fit within our structures. Stringer might sound good but he is coming from a long way back - are we in a position as a club to take tat risk or do we need more of a sure thing?

Haha, of course I would.

We won't know whether he's a risk or not - the club will though; I trust them to make the right decision - if Stringer is considered too much of risk after his medical then I wouldn't expect us to take him first round.

 

[Tulip]

Nothing's guaranteed - no doubt.

But there is a huge difference in the performance of these two.

Swift was also a fitness freak who just racked up the ball - he made a name for himself through being an outside accumulator - and from what I've heard was well ahead of his age group in terms of fitness.

If he's there at pick 13 and we leave him I don't know what I'd do.

I'd do the same as when we did similar with Darling at Pick 12.

Watch Stringer develop into a quality footballer and bemoan the player we select when he plays VFL 2's.

 

[deeman87]

I'd do the same as when we did similar with Darling at Pick 12.

Watch Stringer develop into a quality footballer and bemoan the player we select when he plays VFL 2's.

LOL spot on HFF.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

I'd do the same as when we did similar with Darling at Pick 12.

Watch Stringer develop into a quality footballer and bemoan the player we select when he plays VFL 2's.

Different circumstances - Darling was over looked as he had, at the time, a questionable attitude off the field. I was shattered we over looked him though, as you can generally pull players into line and he was exactly what we needed.

Injuries, however, are a different thing. I'm not against taking him but I just hope that the new FD do far more research and ask far more questions than our previous one did.

 

[PureFooty]

I wish Watts and Cook had an attitude problem...

 

[Blackas87]

Why would we give them pick 3, rather than 4... so that they can get Grundy?

And what's to stop the bulldogs (or the like of) coming in and offering pick 5 and a player for the second mini draft pick? GWS would then get pick 4, 5 and a player, rather than 4, 13 and a player.

Out of interest, how do you propose that GWS are going to stop GC from bidding?

Also, I haven't paid too much attention to the u/18s this year, how does a Hogan/ Martin stack up against a Grundy/ Toumpas (or others likely to be available at 3/4)?

We trade pick 3 so they can't nominate Viney with it, and I would think we are after midfielders rather than a ruckman.

we are trading pick 3 and 13 as one trade and not seperatley, if they want our pick 3 they must take our 13, if they want pick 5 or 6 they miss out on our pick 3.

Personally I would prefer Grundy and Toumpas over Hogan and Martin but if we are forced to take Viney with pick 3 we won't be getting both Toumpas and Grundy.

That relies on Viney being passed on by GWS and GC prior to any of that occurring.

And, to be fair, I'd rather a couple of midfielders that we can chuck straight into the centre in a Toumpas/Wines/Macrae mould - players that will have a crack and make an impact in 2013 over developmental key forward prospects which, with Cook staying, I still believe we're okay for.

If there was an O'Meara type who's smacking everybody as an underage kid in the U18s, then I'd be for it. But for now, I think we're better off not going for the minidraft and instead picking the high-quality midfielders that are there.

Yes that does rely on GWS and GC not nominating Viney, giving pick 3 to GWS stops them from nominating him.

I would also rather strait up midfielders like Wines Toumpas and O'rouke to have an impact in 2013 but if we are forced to take Viney with 3 we are left with only pick4, we would have Viney at 3, Wines at 4, pick 13 and pick 26. If we trade for the mini draft picks we still get Viney but at 26 and will still get Wines at 4, we would then get Martin and Hogan instead of the lower ranked players we would pick up at 13 and 26.

Also if the dogs trade pick 5 for a mini draft pick that gives GWS incentive to nominate Viney as it would then effectively make pick 5 become pick 4.

 

[Eth]

Yes that does rely on GWS and GC not nominating Viney, giving pick 3 to GWS stops them from nominating him.

No, it doesn't...

 

[CowboyFromHell]

No, it doesn't...

Spot on. People forget that the nominating for F/S selections happens before trading begins - we can't strike deals or do anything like that until all that is over. We just have to hope that both the expansion clubs see nominating Viney as too big of a risk.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Spot on. People forget that the nominating for F/S selections happens before trading begins - we can't strike deals or do anything like that until all that is over. We just have to hope that both the expansion clubs see nominating Viney as too big of a risk.

Hmmmmm, they keep forgetting - very very annoyingly so too, I've seen it clarified 30+ times on this board this year.

All this talk of hogan and Martin. Why would we take a 17yo this year? Further, why would we take 17yo KPF????

We need midfielders with elite potential and we need ones that are able to play and impact games starting rnd 1 2013. Not 17yo bloody KPFs who might be ready to do so in 2016-2017.

 

[Ando727]

I wish Watts and Cook had an attitude problem...

Yeah, they need some anger in them.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Hmmmmm, they keep forgetting - very very annoyingly so too, I've seen it clarified 30+ times on this board this year.

All this talk of hogan and Martin. Why would we take a 17yo this year? Further, why would we take 17yo KPF????

We need midfielders with elite potential and we need ones that are able to play and impact games starting rnd 1 2013. Not 17yo bloody KPFs who might be ready to do so in 2016-2017.

Spot on mate, couldn't agree more!

 

[Ando727]

Can't believe we are plotting our future with the draft still. 2013 was the year we were all saying we'd be playing finals and preparing our tilt for the flag. Just unbelievable what we've done with the last 5 years.

 

[CowboyFromHell]

Can't believe we are plotting our future with the draft still. 2013 was the year we were all saying we'd be playing finals and preparing our tilt for the flag. Just unbelievable what we've done with the last 5 years.

It's depressing, isn't it? We are in the same spot we were 6 years ago.