Official Cameron White Thread

[OldSchool]

Is this bloke a good enough batter or bowler to make the Australian test team in the next few seasons ?
Seems to be fairly good at everything including his slips fielding but is it good enough to get him onto the test team ?
I am concerned that he might end up being the next Peter Sleep.

I think his best chance might be as a 2nd spinner on the sub continent type wickets or if another allrounder comes on board which allows us to play him as the 5th bowler or number 7 batsman.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

No, he ain't ready.

People need to give the kid a break, he is only 20.

It's frustrating to see people judging (and comparing him to Warne) the kid right now, when we all know that leggies don't mature until they are at least 25.

Right now, he is an extraordinary player. Not many 20 year olds have done what he's done, however he will be a completely different player in 4-5 years.

People need to sit back, appreciate just how talented he is and how much he has achieved and most importantly, be patient.

 

[marcuz]

I don't rate him at all. He isnt good enough to bat at six and his bowling isn't good enough to lead a spin attack. He will be handy at best but i think we get excited when leggies come through as our leggie stocks are very low at the minute.

Id be very surprised if he played any test cricket. Its just an opinion though.

 

[Russian]

Re: How good is Cameron White ?

Originally posted by OldSchool
which allows us to play him as the 5th bowler or number 7 batsman.

That's his only chance in the near future, needs to work on getting a bit more side spin on it if he's gonna be #1 spinner for Australia. Once Warne and MacGill are gone, I reckon we'll use 2 all-rounders to replace them (probably White & Katich). His batting looks pretty good, get another chance to look at him now Hodge is gone.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by marcuz
I don't rate him at all. He isnt good enough to bat at six and his bowling isn't good enough to lead a spin attack. He will be handy at best but i think we get excited when leggies come through as our leggie stocks are very low at the minute.

You're willing to completely write off the career of a 20 year old who captains his state?

Each to their own, but that is ludicrous.

No one is saying he's ready, but to condemn his career before his 21st birthday is amazingly shortsighted.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
It's frustrating to see people judging (and comparing him to Warne) the kid right now, when we all know that leggies don't mature until they are at least 25.

When it comes to leg spinning, nobody should be compared with Shane Warne. Fruitless exercise. However, what I've seen of White I like. He doesn't spin the ball much but tends to beat the bat often enough to suggest he may one day be a very good bowler for Australia.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Re: Re: How good is Cameron White ?

Originally posted by Russian
That's his only chance in the near future, needs to work on getting a bit more side spin on it if he's gonna be #1 spinner for Australia. Once Warne and MacGill are gone, I reckon we'll use 2 all-rounders to replace them (probably White & Katich). His batting looks pretty good, get another chance to look at him now Hodge is gone.

Yep, summed it up perfectly.

Talk of his playing soon is foolish, give him a few years to work on his stock leg break and he'll be a fine test player.

His batting is solid, he needs more opportunities (will move up the Vic order soon), but he has the batting talent to bat at 7 for Australia at some stage.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Adelaide Hawk
When it comes to leg spinning, nobody should be compared with Shane Warne. Fruitless exercise. However, what I've seen of White I like. He doesn't spin the ball much but tends to beat the bat often enough to suggest he may one day be a very good bowler for Australia.

Yep, the ingredients are there, just needs experience to sharpen him up.

He is never going to spin the ball like Warne, no one will. White is a Kumble type, he whips the ball in quickly and accurately.

Another factor that isn't mentioned is his leadership and fielding ability. Australia will never have enough leaders, and top line first slippers are damn hard to find.

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You're willing to completely write off the career of a 20 year old who captains his state?

Each to their own, but that is ludicrous.

No one is saying he's ready, but to condemn his career before his 21st birthday is amazingly shortsighted.

Im not Nostradamus phat. What i say isn't gospel its just an opinion from what i have seen.

His batting is not technically sound and his coach has pretty much said so. I rang sports today last year and Hookesy said cameron bullied a lot of junior attacks but he hasn't got the technique to become a top class batsmen. His best chance to go on to bigger things would be an all rounder or work on his bowling and become an out and out spin bowler

And as for his bowling, if as a spinner you can't turn the ball then wickets are going to be very hard to pick up. The Indians basically played him like a medium pacer.

 

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by marcuz
Im not Nostradamus phat. What i say isn't gospel its just an opinion from what i have seen.

His batting is not technically sound and his coach has pretty much said so. I rang sports today last year and Hookesy said cameron bullied a lot of junior attacks but he hasn't got the technique to become a top class batsmen. His best chance to go on to bigger things would be an all rounder or work on his bowling and become an out and out spin bowler

And as for his bowling, if as a spinner you can't turn the ball then wickets are going to be very hard to pick up. The Indians basically played him like a medium pacer.

His technique isn't a top order batsman type, but he stands still enough at the crease with a nice enough stance to assure him a spot in 7 or or 8 and make runs there. Aggressive batsman, appears to be a compulsive hooker.

His bowling is interesting, it's unique. You don't see much leggies of his type being produced by Australia, the only real success a leggie of his type is Bill O'Reilly, and he's one of the greatest bowlers of all time. His action still needs a bit of correction, arm's too high and he rushes it too much, but with Warne there to help him, his bowling will improve.

Fielding's an interesting one, very good catcher in slips or anywhere, good pair of hands.

He'll only improve, but all the hype surrounding him might be a little bit exaggerated, he's a good prospect, but needs some more time.

 

[Dry Rot]

How good is Cameron White?

Kerry O'Keefe + batting - laugh

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by marcuz
Id be very surprised if he played any test cricket. Its just an opinion though.

You cant even see a spot for him as a 2nd spinner at India, Sri Lanka or Pakistan ?
Way to early to write him off because spinners take time

 

[OldSchool]

Re: How good is Cameron White?

Originally posted by Dry Rot
Kerry O'Keefe + batting - laugh

Very funny DR
I don't we should be comparing him to O'Keefe just yet afterall even at 20 he already has O'Keefe beat in the maturity and common sense stakes

 

[marcuz]

Originally posted by OldSchool
You cant even see a spot for him as a 2nd spinner at India, Sri Lanka or Pakistan ?
Way to early to write him off because spinners take time

I dont rate him. If i was picking the aussie squad i wouldnt choose him as i feel he would get butchered.

But what i think doesnt matter. There are blokes a lot more qualified than i am picking the team and they get paid well to do it. They may have a different opinion. And going by the fact he is playing for Australia A, i'd say that is a certainty.

 

[Cupido13]

Should Cameron White have played in the last Test series in front of Stuart MacGill? Should he tour Sri Lanka and play as a second spinner with Warne?

be interesting to see if more than 2 people say yes!!!

 

[Mickey]

He's a good prospect for the future, but is not Test Match ready yet. I hate MacGill, a total waste of time and can only bowl against England (who cant). Warne will be picked straight away and so he should be. I think White will be ready in the next couple of years, even maybe a stint as an o/s player in the English County may help his experiences as well. I'm from the ACT - so am not a Victorian, although my wife is and she knows Cam White as her family is from Bairnsdale.

 

[The Spornstar]

I'm Victorian.

And no, not yet. One day I hope he will but not for at least 1-2 seasons. There's not much coming through the spinning ranks so he could prove very useful one day, but his time will come and it isn't yet.

 

[TheMase]

Originally posted by Mickey
He's a good prospect for the future, but is not Test Match ready yet. I hate MacGill, a total waste of time and can only bowl against England (who cant).

Hardly just against England...

                     Mat  Runs  HS   BatAv 100  50   W    BB  BowlAv 5w  Ct St

overall               30   238  43    7.93   0   0 147  7/50   28.63  9  16  0

v Bangladesh           2     -   -     -     -   -  17  5/56   12.88  3   2  0
v England              6    71  43    8.87   0   0  39  7/50   24.71  3   5  0
v India                4     2   1    0.50   0   0  14  4/86   50.78  0   2  0
v Pakistan             3    54  23*  27.00   0   0  15  5/66   27.46  1   1  0
v South Africa         2    30  20   15.00   0   0  12  4/123  25.66  0   2  0
v West Indies         12    81  19    5.78   0   0  48  7/104  31.91  2   4  0
v Zimbabwe             1     -   -     -     -   -   2  2/54   32.00  0   0  0

Has had success against every other nation there other than the best spin playing side in the world India on beautiful batting pitches.

Just as a comparison...

MacGill - v India                4     2   1    0.50   0   0  14  4/86   50.78  0   2  0

Warne - v India               11   271  86   16.93   0   1  29  4/47   55.44  0   6  0

Warne wouldn't have done any better than MacGill, and C.White would have done even worse.

 

[Cupido13]

Please, if you want to have a MacGill is great/not great debate, don't do it here. I am happy to have one word answers with no justification, I am just interested as to everyone's opinion.

 

[sog35]

The stunning part of this is that he has actually taken 16 catches. I can only remember one of them in the McGrath hat trick vs the Windies.

 

[red+black]

also a vic, but no, not yet. let's reevaluate in 12 months.

 

[ComicStoreGuy]

White should be in the side even when Warne comes back. This will fast track his development at the highest level. Two leggies in the one side may seem odd but they are very different in the way they go about there cricket. Finally White at least puts a value on his wicket when batting as opposed to Machack.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by ComicStoreGuy
White should be in the side even when Warne comes back. This will fast track his development at the highest level. Two leggies in the one side may seem odd but they are very different in the way they go about there cricket. Finally White at least puts a value on his wicket when batting as opposed to Machack.

Katich is a better batsman, and currently a better bowler than White.

Shouldn't he be the second spinner?

White should have to earn his place. Clarke too, but at least Clarke has some runs on the board at first class level to back up his junior talent.

I predict White will probably never make the test side unless he drastically remodels his action and works hard on his bowling, giving up his average batting.

 

[DIG]

Originally posted by red+black
also a vic, but no, not yet.

ditto that

 

[bunsen burner]

white - absolutely not.