Official Cameron White Thread

[goalpie]

Craig White is a tonking superstar.

 

[brad352]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Anil Kumble with a much better wrong'en

Anil Kumble succeeds based on pin-point accuracy and because he plays on pitches which offer him a lot of variety in bounce, his accuracy allows him to hit suspect spots repeatedly. Even then, he averages 40 with the ball in Australia.

Cam White is like Kumble, sure- in that he doesn't turn the ball. However, Kumble's weapon is his accuracy- White's lucky to land two balls in a row in the same vague area of the pitch. It's a ridiculous comparison, you can't succeed at any decent level when all you have is a top spinner and a wrong-un and bowl two four balls an over

 

[just maybe]

Now you're talking about strike rates when you said earlier that he took the most wickets. Way to change the subject when you have been owned.

Look at the wicket list you posted.

Who was on top? Gillespie. As I said.

Wicket lists are based on average, not number of wickets.

You really don't know anything about cricket do you.

You just owned yourself! Bahahahahah.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Yep. Anil Kumble is one of the greats of the game.

It's like comparing Jamie Cox to Muttiah Muralitharan because they both bowl off-spin.

 

[Footylover1]

Look at the wicket list you posted.

Who was on top? Gillespie. As I said.

Wicket lists are based on average, not number of wickets.

You really don't know anything about cricket do you.

You just owned yourself! Bahahahahah.

You know, I'm just laughing at your own stupidity now. I'm going away now so if anybody wants to take over and keep owning this clown be my guest. I have better things to do than argue with clowns who think taking wickets against Bangladesh is a great achievement.

 

[just maybe]

You know, I'm just laughing at your own stupidity now. I'm going away now so if anybody wants to take over and keep owning this clown be my guest. I have better things to do than argue with clowns who think thinking wickets against Bangladesh is a great achievement.

Laughing at my stupidity?

You claimed Gillespie wasn't in wicket-taking form. In his last series, he turned in spectacular results.

You were wrong.

No wonder you're going away now.

 

[Footylover1]

Laughing at my stupidity?

You claimed Gillespie wasn't in wicket-taking form. In his last series, he turned in spectacular results.

You were wrong.

No wonder you're going away now.

Oh boy!

 

[just maybe]

Oh boy!

Cheap response, as expected.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Anil Kumble succeeds based on pin-point accuracy and because he plays on pitches which offer him a lot of variety in bounce, his accuracy allows him to hit suspect spots repeatedly. Even then, he averages 40 with the ball in Australia.

Cam White is like Kumble, sure- in that he doesn't turn the ball. However, Kumble's weapon is his accuracy- White's lucky to land two balls in a row in the same vague area of the pitch. It's a ridiculous comparison, you can't succeed at any decent level when all you have is a top spinner and a wrong-un and bowl two four balls an over

Did Kumble has this "pin-point accuracy" at 23 years of age?

White bowling will only get better and better as he matures. Regardless of what the haters will tell you.

Australia is a very good side. No shame in struggling against us.

White will be a weapon batting @ 6 with 4 seamers in the team. More so in England, and the dusty pitches of overseas.

• 130+ Fc wickets @ 38.
• Better FC stats than any other young spinner in the land.
• Ford Ranger bowling stats this season which add up very well to other young spinner in the land.

Don't over look the facts.

 

[Lidge]

As irrelevant as second division county stats are, I don't think anyone's debating his batting ability and his performances since coming back over here have been good enough to illustrate his improvement- he has a strong case for selection because the role open in the ODI team is perfect for him. However, he can't bowl- judging by this board half the state of Victoria are devoting their time to deluding themselves otherwise, but anyone watching him play can tell this. So what we have is a circlejerk over a talented young batsman who has been picked mainly on potential (probably the same people crying foul when Clarke was picked on the same basis) and anyone who dares criticise any aspect of his game is set upon by said pack of supporters and labelled a troll, regardless of their basis for comment. Sound fair?

I can acknowledge that County cricket is a lower standard than our domestic comp (but better the others - maybe except Sth Africa), but there really isn't that much of a difference between 1st & 2nd division as far as quality and standards are concerned.

Should we ignore and discount performances from our home grown talent when selecting teams? There's no shortgae of cricketers in this country who have inflated averages etc from playing regular cricket against South Australia - and NSW this season.

I'd argue that White hasn't been selected on potential. He's done more than enough in the 50 & 20 over versions of the game - one one of the best exponents in the short game with the bat in the country. His recent record speaks for itself, and he's backed it up with performances in the past week.

Your arguments (on both sides are flawed). He's been picked in the side primarily as a lower/middle order batsman/power hitter. Not as a specialist leg spinner or fully blown all rounder. Part time spinner to share the 5th bowling spot with Symonds & Clarke at best, at this stage of his career.

The selectors do acknowldge that he has potential with his bowling, and will be given the opportunity to develop this aspect of his game on the big stage.

If his bowling develops, that's a bonus, and will be given extra overs and responsibility in the attack. Ponting has gone out on a limb and is backing him (as he did with Symonds prior to the last World Cup).

But for now, he's in the team as a batsman, has earned his spot, has performed well enough (or excelled) to have pretty much cemented his place for the World Cup in that role and more likely for many years to come.

I don't know what all the outcry is for. McGrath, Warne & Healy are 3 players I remember who were plucked from obscurity, picked on potential and turned out OK. Mitchell Johnson is another who's domestic form was nothing to write home about and appears to have been a good punt.. White has enough runs on the board not to be pigeon holed as a 'project' player.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Did Kumble has this "pin-point accuracy" at 23 years of age?

White bowling will only get better and better as he matures. Regardless of what the haters will tell you.

Australia is a very good side. No shame in struggling against us.

White will be a weapon batting @ 6 with 4 seamers in the team. More so in England, and the dusty pitches of overseas.

• 130+ Fc wickets @ 38.
• Better FC stats than any other young spinner in the land.
• Ford Ranger bowling stats this season which add up very well to other young spinner in the land.

Don't over look the facts.

The other facts you miss are that White has played more than any young spinner in the land, and that his stats have been getting worse over the last few years, as has his bowling.

Don't overlook the facts. Don't twist the facts to suit your bias either.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

The other facts you miss are that White has played more than any young spinner in the land, and that his stats have been getting worse over the last few years, as has his bowling.

Don't overlook the facts. Don't twist the facts to suit your bias either.

Playing more has nothing to do with his bowling average.

 

[just maybe]

I can acknowledge that County cricket is a lower standard than our domestic comp (but better the others - maybe except Sth Africa), but there really isn't that much of a difference between 1st & 2nd division as far as quality and standards are concerned.

There is a difference, hence why Ramprakash scored 2000+ runs at over 100.

Should we ignore and discount performances from our home grown talent when selecting teams? There's no shortgae of cricketers in this country who have inflated averages etc from playing regular cricket against South Australia - and NSW this season.

South Australia and NSW aren't as bad as 2nd Div county cricket. Or even 1st Div.

I'd argue that White hasn't been selected on potential. He's done more than enough in the 50 & 20 over versions of the game - one one of the best exponents in the short game with the bat in the country. His recent record speaks for itself, and he's backed it up with performances in the past week.

His record prior to this first half of the season in Australian domestic limited overs cricket has been abysmal. What recent record?

If his bowling develops, that's a bonus, and will be given extra overs and responsibility in the attack. Ponting has gone out on a limb and is backing him (as he did with Symonds prior to the last World Cup).

What he's doing with White is nothing like he did with Symonds. Terrible analogy.

He is talking up White as a young player like he is doing with all the other young players at the moment.

But for now, he's in the team as a batsman, has earned his spot, has performed well enough (or excelled) to have pretty much cemented his place for the World Cup in that role and more likely for many years to come.

Excuse me? He has played two ODI innings, a duck and a fortunate 45. If that's enough to have cemented a spot, I wonder about your selection criteria.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Playing more has nothing to do with his bowling average.

Which has been getting worse, yes.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

In this years ODD series, White has stats of:

8 wickets @ 32.00
strike rate of under 40
and a eco rate of less than 5

For a player who is getting worse, these are some good stats me thinks.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Which has been getting worse, yes.

2006-07 Ford Ranger One Day Cup Bowling - Most Wickets

CL White              8   52      1   256    8  32.00  3-41   -  -  39.0  4.5  VIC
XJ Doherty            6   48.2    1   207    7  29.57  3-47   -  -  41.4  4.28 TAS
JJ Krejza             3   29      2   169    6  28.16  3-41   -  -  29.0  5.82 NSW
DJ Cullen             4   38      4   158    5  31.60  3-32   -  -  45.6  4.15 SOA
A Symonds             4   23.5    1   154    4  38.50  3-23   -  -  35.7  6.46 QLD
GB Hogg               4   35.4    2   164    3  54.66  2-45   -  -  71.3  4.59 WA
AW O'Brien            5   34      2   172    2  86.00  1-41   -  - 102.0  5.05 NSW
DS Lehmann            5   37      0   163    2  81.50  2-32   -  - 111.0  4.40

 

[Moss Rocket]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

The Kid is coming with a rocket! The sky is the limit. In a couple of seasons we may just have the dominant all-rounder world cricket has been missing since the Botham, Imran days. Great stuff

 

[brad352]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Did Kumble has this "pin-point accuracy" at 23 years of age?

Yes, and he was dominating Test cricket at that age

White bowling will only get better and better as he matures. Regardless of what the haters will tell you.

White's bowling has been getting worse and worse, he's less accurate and has less tricks than he ever has

Australia is a very good side. No shame in struggling against us.

It shows how his style of bowling is more ineffective on pitches with even bounce- and he's a legend who's deadly accurate, how do you succeed when giving away four balls at will

White will be a weapon batting @ 6 with 4 seamers in the team. More so in England, and the dusty pitches of overseas.

Watson has 6 as soon as Symonds gets dumped, he's a genuine all rounder rather than a decent batsman and part time bowler

• 130+ Fc wickets @ 38.

This year- 7 wickets from 5 games at 50. Recognises he can't bowl, leaves himself out of the attack

• Better FC stats than any other young spinner in the land.

2 wickets a game, genuine bowlers have to carry the attack when the going is tough rather than getting cheap wickets

• Ford Ranger bowling stats this season which add up very well to other young spinner in the land.

8 wickets is a great sample size

Don't over look the facts.

Selectively quoted and biased facts, watch the man bowl- your stats are meaningless in this discussion

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

The Kid is coming with a rocket! The sky is the limit. In a couple of seasons we may just have the dominant all-rounder world cricket has been missing since the Botham, Imran days. Great stuff

Blue skys ahead

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

In this years ODD series, White has stats of:

8 wickets @ 32.00
strike rate of under 40
and a eco rate of less than 5

For a player who is getting worse, these are some good stats me thinks.

ODDs are first-class wickets now?

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

The Kid is coming with a rocket! The sky is the limit. In a couple of seasons we may just have the dominant all-rounder world cricket has been missing since the Botham, Imran days. Great stuff

Someone is smoking too much pot.

Imran? Botham? Bahahahahahahhahahahahaha

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Bahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

 

[Junkie]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

It's like comparing Jamie Cox to Muttiah Muralitharan because they both bowl off-spin.

Totally incorrect, you are a fool. One chucks offspin, the other bowls it, huge difference.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Totally incorrect, you are a fool. One chucks offspin, the other bowls it, huge difference.

Cox chucked?

 

[Lidge]

South Australia and NSW aren't as bad as 2nd Div county cricket. Or even 1st Div.

Yes they are.

So...Putland, Manou, Feguson, Coyte, Bird, Bollinger & Joey Johns are of 1st class standard?


His record prior to this first half of the season in Australian domestic limited overs cricket has been abysmal. What recent record?

What he's doing with White is nothing like he did with Symonds. Terrible analogy.

Not really. The skipper wants him in the side. Nothing unusual or uncommon about a captain wanting to put his own stamp/mark on selection and team make up. (e.g. White, Hilfenhaus & Johnson)

He is talking up White as a young player like he is doing with all the other young players at the moment.

See above. Are the other players getting a game?

Excuse me? He has played two ODI innings, a duck and a fortunate 45. If that's enough to have cemented a spot, I wonder about your selection criteria.

Cemented his spot for the world cup. Yep, I see know reason to change that statement. His last 2 innings (I'm referring to his last 2 hits for the Aussies, 20/20 & yesterdays ODI). He's been given 2 opportunities, and he's made the most of them. The selectors simply aren't going to chop and change the WC starting team. What you see now, is pretty much what we'll see in the Caribbean (barring injury or dramatic form loss).

A fortunate 45? Of which the last 42 runs came from 19 balls faced. That's serious smoting. Even Gilly would struggle to score at that rate against the Zimbos.

 

[Junkie]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

[Quote:
Originally Posted by Junkie
Totally incorrect, you are a fool. One chucks offspin, the other bowls it, huge difference. ]

Cox chucked?

That's right, you're a fool!