Official Cameron White Thread

[POBT]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

2006-07 Ford Ranger One Day Cup Bowling - Most Wickets

CL White              8   52      1   256    8  32.00  3-41   -  -  39.0  4.5  VIC
XJ Doherty            6   48.2    1   207    7  29.57  3-47   -  -  41.4  4.28 TAS
JJ Krejza             3   29      2   169    6  28.16  3-41   -  -  29.0  5.82 NSW
DJ Cullen             4   38      4   158    5  31.60  3-32   -  -  45.6  4.15 SOA
A Symonds             4   23.5    1   154    4  38.50  3-23   -  -  35.7  6.46 QLD
GB Hogg               4   35.4    2   164    3  54.66  2-45   -  -  71.3  4.59 WA
AW O'Brien            5   34      2   172    2  86.00  1-41   -  - 102.0  5.05 NSW
DS Lehmann            5   37      0   163    2  81.50  2-32   -  - 111.0  4.40

You missed Nathan Hauritz and Chris Simpson with 12 wickets each.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

You missed Nathan Hauritz and Chris Simpson with 12 wickets each.

Yes, it's a convenient exception, isn't it.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

[Quote:
Originally Posted by Junkie
Totally incorrect, you are a fool. One chucks offspin, the other bowls it, huge difference. ]




That's right, you're a fool!

Run along now, the adults are talking.

 

[Ricketts]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

It's like comparing Jamie Cox to Muttiah Muralitharan because they both bowl off-spin.

At least Jamie Cox wasn't a cheat.

 

[Ricketts]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

There is already a thread on White, where Bentleigh has already posted this.

It's clogging up the board.

You are clogging up the board.

 

[just maybe]

Yes they are.

So...Putland, Manou, Feguson, Coyte, Bird, Bollinger & Joey Johns are of 1st class standard?

Yes. They're not superstars, but it doesn't mean they're not of first-class standard.

Since when has Johns played in f/c or ODD cricket?

Not really. The skipper wants him in the side. Nothing unusual or uncommon about a captain wanting to put his own stamp/mark on selection and team make up. (e.g. White, Hilfenhaus & Johnson)

Considering he and White have been pretty narky at each other in the past, I reckon it might be the selectors' choice.

See above. Are the other players getting a game?

Hilfenhaus and Johnson? Yes. Cosgrove and Cullen recently? Yes.

Cemented his spot for the world cup. Yep, I see know reason to change that statement. His last 2 innings (I'm referring to his last 2 hits for the Aussies, 20/20 & yesterdays ODI). He's been given 2 opportunities, and he's made the most of them. The selectors simply aren't going to chop and change the WC starting team. What you see now, is pretty much what we'll see in the Caribbean (barring injury or dramatic form loss).

Now that's a very silly, silly statement. The starting XI will change multiple times throughout this series. The selectors have outlined a rotation and testing of players policy.

VERY silly statement.

A fortunate 45? Of which the last 42 runs came from 19 balls faced. That's serious smoting. Even Gilly would struggle to score at that rate against the Zimbos.

Yes. It was fortunate. He was plumb LBW to Vettori and had some seriously streaky edges that fell short of fielders.

Kudos for the innings, but don't pretend it was some sort of smooth, error-free power innings.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

You are clogging up the board.

If Victorians with a persecution complex didn't blow a gasket when I gave even the most mild criticism of White, there wouldn't be a problem.

If South Aussies on here reacted the same way when Cosgrove or Cullen were bagged, this board would go into meltdown.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

You missed Nathan Hauritz and Chris Simpson with 12 wickets each.

Clearly they both have a better record.

It's an important time to remind ourself White is a batting allrounder.

Having a equally as good / better record in the domestic short form of the game this season than the like of Doherty, Krejza, Cullen, Hogg, O'Brien etc. is impressive.

FC record:

White (23) - 130+ @ 38
Simpson (25) - 11 @ 71.09
Hauritz (25) - 59 @ 49.27

Im not trying to say White is a superstar bowler.

Just alot better than most people beleive.

ODD Stats this season + long term FC stats don't lie.

Yes, it's a convenient exception, isn't it.

No, it isn't.

I left them out because they had a stronger record this season.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Muralitharan - cheat
Cox - not cheat

If Victorians with a persecution complex didn't blow a gasket when I gave even the most mild criticism of White, there wouldn't be a problem.

If South Aussies on here reacted the same way when Cosgrove or Cullen were bagged, this board would go into meltdown.

• White is playing for Australia. And doing bloody well.
• Cosgrove is eating pies.
• Cullen is bowling pies, and has a worse FC bowling record than star batting allrounder Cameron White

 

[brad352]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

FC record:

White (23) - 130+ @ 38
Simpson (25) - 11 @ 71.09
Hauritz (25) - 59 @ 49.27

Last year- 15 wickets from 10 games at 45
Last county season- 15 wickets from 12 games at 49
This year- 7 wickets from 5 games at 50

If he hasn't bowled regularly or taken any wickets in the last two years that should give you a fair indication of where his bowling is at now, past records are no good.

 

[Bentleigh]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Last year- 15 wickets from 10 games at 45
Last county season- 15 wickets from 12 games at 49
This year- 7 wickets from 5 games at 50

If he hasn't bowled regularly or taken any wickets in the last two years that should give you a fair indication of where his bowling is at now, past records are no good.

His ODD record of having more wickets than any other spinner in the land, apart from Simpson @ Hauritz, dispite being a batting allrounder doesn't count then?

That's this season, remember.

Last year- 15 wickets from 10 games at 45
Last county season- 15 wickets from 12 games at 49
This year- 7 wickets from 5 games at 50

Is still stronger than Simpson & Hauritz FC averages

Dispite being 2 years older and bowlers, not batting allrounders.

 

[gillyrulz]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

cameron white should not be in the side..
he can bat now and again but is the most hopeless bowler in history

he has an average of over 50 and a economy rate of about 7 and a half
need a decent spinner in for him

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

His ODD record of having more wickets than any other spinner in the land, apart from Simpson @ Hauritz, dispite being a batting allrounder doesn't count then?

No, it doesn't, because pies can get wickets in ODIs - in Tests, your bowling needs to be better.

That's this season, remember.

Last year- 15 wickets from 10 games at 45
Last county season- 15 wickets from 12 games at 49
This year- 7 wickets from 5 games at 50

Is still stronger than Simpson & Hauritz FC averages

Irrelevant. It shows his bowling average is going backwards as we are pointing out. Hauritz and Simpson don't come into it.

Dispite being 2 years older and bowlers, not batting allrounders.

Simpson is a batting all-rounder, by the way, although he isn't relevant to the FC discussion.

 

[just maybe]

Re: Ponting: White's bowling - "wicket-taking option"

Muralitharan - cheat
Cox - not cheat

Murali is within the laws of the game. How is he cheating?

• White is playing for Australia. And doing bloody well.
• Cosgrove is eating pies.
• Cullen is bowling pies, and has a worse FC bowling record than star batting allrounder Cameron White

The fact that you keep calling him a 'star' is why no one takes you seriously.

And Cullen's figures since debut are considerably better than White's over the same period.

 

[DIG]

Look at the wicket list you posted.

Who was on top? Gillespie. As I said.

Wicket lists are based on average, not number of wickets.

You really don't know anything about cricket do you.

You just owned yourself! Bahahahahah.

Now THAT was funny!

 

[just maybe]

Cameron White.

Averages 16.66 after 3 ODIs, average inflated by an innings where he was plumbest of the plumb LBWs while in single figures.

At domestic level, he averages about 30 in both forms of the game.

Now do people understand why I said he was not ready for international honours yet?

The kid will be good. It's just too early. A bit of sense and objectivity would do well in this thread. Apparently by not ordaining him the instant Messiah, I hate him.

God forbid I should just suggest he's not there yet.

 

[likka]

Copped a good one tonight from Anderson though.

Peach.

 

[just maybe]

Copped a good one tonight from Anderson though.

Peach.

Shouldn't have been playing across the line.

That's the kind of bowling he has to contend with if he expects to succeed.

Tonight was the first time he was under pressure, really.

He is still a youngling - all this hype is leading to unfair expectation on him.

He still needs more development time in domestic cricket - a couple of 40s against two of the weakest bowling attacks in international cricket does not a player make.

Let him dominate Australian domestic cricket consistently before placing unfair expectation on him at international level.

 

[likka]

Shouldn't have been playing across the line.

That's the kind of bowling he has to contend with if he expects to succeed.

Tonight was the first time he was under pressure, really.

He is still a youngling - all this hype is leading to unfair expectation on him.

He still needs more development time in domestic cricket - a couple of 40s against two of the weakest bowling attacks in international cricket does not a player make.

Let him dominate Australian domestic cricket consistently before placing unfair expectation on him at international level.

I agree he needs more time to develop, but most batsmen would have struggled against this delivery.

Started outside leg and swung late to hit him in front of middle, at really good pace.

If you think this dismissal was down to a technical deficiency then you have some learning to do about the game.

 

[Ted Ed Fred]

Overrated hack IMO. Handy one day player, keep him away from the Test team at all costs. Defensive technique of a 3rd grade batsman

 

[Rocco Jones]

If Ponting went out to the same delivery we'd be all just saying it was a peach of a delivery.

 

[just maybe]

I agree he needs more time to develop, but most batsmen would have struggled against this delivery.

Started outside leg and swung late to hit him in front of middle, at really good pace.

If you think this dismissal was down to a technical deficiency then you have some learning to do about the game.

It was Jimmy Anderson.

Think about that.

The ball was made to look better by White's ugly swipe across the line.

 

[bushranger]

all u people are ******** wits

he is better then cosgrove better then jaques better then hopes they are hacks

 

[Bombers_Forever]

all u people are ******** wits

he is better then cosgrove better then jaques better then hopes they are hacks

That is not the arguement you fool.

White is mediocre and has proven it. Can't bat, and his bowling is worse.

Bring back Brad Hogg please.

 

[Bombers_Forever]

Cameron White.

Averages 16.66 after 3 ODIs, average inflated by an innings where he was plumbest of the plumb LBWs while in single figures.

At domestic level, he averages about 30 in both forms of the game.

Now do people understand why I said he was not ready for international honours yet?

The kid will be good. It's just too early. A bit of sense and objectivity would do well in this thread. Apparently by not ordaining him the instant Messiah, I hate him.

God forbid I should just suggest he's not there yet.

Could not agree more with everything you have said.