Official Cameron White Thread

[wce4premiership]

that run out was good, i think hogg would be better though better bowler definitely and he is fairly good with a bat, he was originally a batsmen.

 

[DIG]

That is not the arguement you fool.

White is mediocre and has proven it. Can't bat, and his bowling is worse.

Bring back Brad Hogg please.

I love how people's memories are so short on this forum. Copped the best ball of the night on a lively pitch before he's set. It's not like he was the only one who failed.

just the match before this one he'd smashed 45 off 32 and everyone loved him.

One match ago.

He's not cemented by any stretch but FFS we're not gonna get rid of him after just 3 innings, one of which was a little cameo that brought the house down.

 

[mediumsizered]

That is not the arguement you fool.

White is mediocre and has proven it. Can't bat, and his bowling is worse.

Bring back Brad Hogg please.

You might want to get used to the sight of White in the Australian team. Fact is the Australian selectors will be building the future Australian team around White, Clarke & Watson. This is becoming more & more apparent as time passes. The rest of the team will come from the likes of Hilfenhaus, Jaques, maybe Rogers, Tait etc. Many positions will be up for grabs in the next 1-2 years, but White, Clarke & Watson will become the backbone that the team is built around.

 

[mbuck]

i love cam white but i agree that Hogg needs to be back in the side....

 

[Heisenberg_]

that ball would have gotten plenty of balls

 

[bushranger]

white needs to bat at 4 not ********ing 7

 

[Big John]

i love cam white but i agree that Hogg needs to be back in the side....

I'd actually prefer Johnson to Hogg even though he didn't bowl to great at the Gabba. Not really relevant in a thread about Cam White though.

 

[mbuck]

I'd actually prefer Johnson to Hogg even though he didn't bowl to great at the Gabba. Not really relevant in a thread about Cam White though.

think about it

 

[likka]

It was Jimmy Anderson.

Think about that.

The ball was made to look better by White's ugly swipe across the line.

You really have no clue do you? Typical yobbo armchair critic.

No problem with you disliking White, but please be transparent about it instead of trying to hide behind so called "technical analysis".

FFS you are becoming as bad as Healy.

I agree with you that White has a lot to prove, but he was beaten by a quality delivery last night. At least he didn't throw his wicket away like most of the top order.

 

[eddiesmith]

I'd actually prefer Johnson to Hogg even though he didn't bowl to great at the Gabba. Not really relevant in a thread about Cam White though.

There is some weird belief around here that White is the reason Hogg isnt playing

I would love for them to show us all the times Australia have played 5 pure bowlers with Hogg at 7

 

[just maybe]

You really have no clue do you? Typical yobbo armchair critic.

*sigh*

White-lovers don't like their boy being criticised, do they?

No problem with you disliking White, but please be transparent about it instead of trying to hide behind so called "technical analysis".

FFS you are becoming as bad as Healy.

I agree with you that White has a lot to prove, but he was beaten by a quality delivery last night. At least he didn't throw his wicket away like most of the top order.

Let me say again:

It was Jimmy Anderson.

Think about that.

The ball was made to look better by White's ugly swipe across the line.

To repeat: It was a good ball, but not as good as you make it out to be. White played it badly, and he's got to expect those sort of deliveries and learn to play them if he's going to be successful. If you get out to every good ball, you're not going to do too well.

And if he listened to TJ's advice, maybe he'd be a better bowler too.

 

[likka]

Okay my response was a bit over the top.

We basically agree on White's potential JM, but we'll have to agree to disagree on last night's dismissal. I think it would have got most top line batsmen, moved a very long way late.

Jimmy Anderson has had a very poor summer but he is better than you give him credit for. Although like most of the English attack the conditions have to be right for him.

His great attribute is the ball swings quite a distance, late and at good pace. Objectivity is lacking on these boards so will probably get flamed for this statement... or labelled a pom.

What is the nursery rhyme... when he is good is very good, when he is bad he is rotten.

 

[just maybe]

Okay my response was a bit over the top.

We basically agree on White's potential JM, but we'll have to agree to disagree on last night's dismissal. I think it would have got most top line batsmen, moved a very long way late.

Jimmy Anderson has had a very poor summer but he is better than you give him credit for. Although like most of the English attack the conditions have to be right for him.

His great attribute is the ball swings quite a distance, late and at good pace. Objectivity is lacking on these boards so will probably get flamed for this statement... or labelled a pom.

What is the nursery rhyme... when he is good is very good, when he is bad he is rotten.

Anderson has potential.

And it was a good ball.

I just don't think it was as good as you claim it was.

I think White needs to go back and dominate a few seasons of domestic cricket consistently. He has potential, but there are more deserving players ahead of him. We must realise he has scored 0 and 5 in 2 of his 3 ODI innings, and should have been out for about the same in his third innings had the umpire been competent.

At the moment he offers nothing to the side that someone like Voges cannot provide more consistently. His batting is hit-and-miss and his bowling is hopeless, and from what I've been told reliably recently, the bowling issue is his own fault because he refuses to take coaching advice. That's a terrible attitude.

 

[likka]

White is a project player, like Clarke and Watson, and selectors tend to work outside the normal selection criteria for these types.

I honestly think selectors are looking for him to develop in ODI as well as domestically. If this is the case he will also get more opportunities at international level. Of course he will have to perform but will be cut some slack like Clarke was.

I don't really agree with this method, but it has worked in the past for blokes like Warne, McGrath, Ponting. Time will tell if it works for White, Clarke and Watson.

 

[eddiesmith]

his bowling is hopeless, and from what I've been told reliably recently, the bowling issue is his own fault because he refuses to take coaching advice. That's a terrible attitude.

Yes the entire world knows he turned down TJs advice, he has said it publicly, dont act like you know something that everyone else doesnt

He tried what he was told, it didnt work, so he went back to his old way. Its what you do, you take advice, try it, if it doesnt work then so be it, just because it works for some doesnt mean it does for others, even Warney has the same attitude

 

[likka]

I think TJ's reputation has been slightly inflated through association with Warne.

If he was that influential then why did Warnie name Chappelli as the person that had the biggest impact on his career?

 

[just maybe]

Yes the entire world knows he turned down TJs advice, he has said it publicly, dont act like you know something that everyone else doesnt

He tried what he was told, it didnt work, so he went back to his old way. Its what you do, you take advice, try it, if it doesnt work then so be it, just because it works for some doesnt mean it does for others, even Warney has the same attitude

No, it was a lot more than that.

Don't pretend everything you read in the media isn't sanitised.

 

[just maybe]

I think TJ's reputation has been slightly inflated through association with Warne.

If he was that influential then why did Warnie name Chappelli as the person that had the biggest impact on his career?

Inflated?

FFS...Anil Kumble visits TJ for advice when he's in Australia.

 

[Bentleigh]

What a run out

 

[bushranger]

white took 1/5 off 2 overs


ponting or gilly have to bowl him for about 8 overs

 

[just maybe]

What a run out

That's all you've got now?

Laughable.

 

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

That's all you've got now?

Laughable.

Dude just get over it, we've accepted your thoughts/opinion on White now move on.

 

[dan warna]

What are Whites deficiencies?

aside from whether he should be playing for Aus or not what are his deficiencies?

he has a nice collection of scalps and his bowling looks tight sometimes, and he can string together some nice overs, but he comes in for a bit of a caning and his FC bowling average is in high the mid 30s. english cricket hasn't seen his average drop much but he continues to get wickets more as a shock bowler than a stock bowler. (he doesn't seem to be able or willing to bowl 10 to 15 overs in a row like warne or mcgilla)

his captaincy seems solid, and he's taking an averagely talented victoria to a competitive position against seemingly more talented state sides.

his batting looks good, and after a fairly mediocre start (besides being a teenage wunderkid) he's starting to string together some consistency, however he seems to get out fairly easily sometimes. A lot of innings in the state game are under pressure, so he certainly has a cool head int he state game, but his numbers seem to be a step below a number of other batsmen.

his fielding is probably a fraction below that of symonds, punter and clarke, but not by much, he is probably a better close in fielder than a boundary fielder as he does have lightning reflexes but muffs stuff when he has to think about it.

potential leadership material at the national level but at the moment not good enough in bowling to be a bowling all rounder or a pure bowler, and his batting is probably a bit below symonds and watson as the batting all rounder.

with symonds pushing 32, and white 23, is that the position he should aim for?

 

[bus24]

Re: What are Whites deficiencies?

Don't mind his batting, perfect for no.7 in an ODI.

But his bowling looks tight???? His bowling is horrible at best, is giving the art of spin bowling a bad name.

 

[telsor]

Let me say again:

It was Jimmy Anderson.

Think about that.

OK, I thought about it, and checked the figures. He got out to the guy who has taken the 6 wickets in the ODI series so far ( 3 matches, SR 27, easily best of the Englishman ). Anderson isn't a bad bowler, and by the end of the test series he was looking much better than how he started and has taken that form into the ODI series.

Could White have handled it better? In hindsight, of course he could, but you can say that about any batsman and the ball he gets out on. It looked to be on his legs and he tried to turn it away for 1 or 2, then it swung back late and he got trapped. I dare say in a first class match, he might have played it more defensively, but in an ODI, it was a reasonable decision.