Not really, but i would rather try him there for a few games and see if he is anything like his brother up forward, if not then into the scrap heap.No let’s not because that is crazy.
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Not really, but i would rather try him there for a few games and see if he is anything like his brother up forward, if not then into the scrap heap.No let’s not because that is crazy.
Lets play him forward and if he is useless there than he can spend the rest of his career in the VFL
Probably closer to an elite athlete than an amazing reader. But I don’t really agree with your ultimatum there anyway. I don’t think we’ve seen his ceiling and certainly hope we haven’t, but I don’t have much of an idea of what it might be. I don’t think it’s particularly high, but I don’t think he’s a lost cause either.I get that I hate him more than most but what do people see as his ceiling? Even full of confidence I saw him as average at best. To play forward or back now you need to be an elite athlete or an amazing reader of play. I don't see either in him.
Probably closer to an elite athlete than an amazing reader. But I don’t really agree with your ultimatum there anyway. I don’t think we’ve seen his ceiling and certainly hope we haven’t, but I don’t have much of an idea of what it might be. I don’t think it’s particularly high, but I don’t think he’s a lost cause either.
All that aside, he’s been trash this year, absolute gutter trash.
I don’t know, but you may’ve just identified his ceiling!...what part of Oscar McDonald as a key defender is better than other average standard AFL defender.
Okay. For the third or fourth time, here goes:Right but with Petracca when people say 'one day' you can understand because he has got a good vertical jump, strong for his size, good vision with his kicks etc.
No one has actually answered what he does well, what part of Oscar McDonald as a key defender is better than other average standard AFL defender.
Okay. For the third or fourth time, here goes:
1. He’s quick for his size;
2. He’s got good foot skills for a key defender;
3. He’svery courageous and never squibs a contest;
4. He plays his role, low key and no fuss but effective.
I know you don’t rate him TK, that’s fine, but these are his strengths IMO. People are throwing him into the waste basket after the weekend but he was concussed. How effective would you be at your job with a concussion?
I don’t know, but you may’ve just identified his ceiling!
And that’s okay, right? Every team needs some average standard AFL players on every line, kidding ourselves if we think otherwise.
When he is in form, I think he has great disposal and decision making for a back, I also think he is good at getting to the majority of contests for a spoil (would prefer him to contested mark more) but I think those are strengths. I know why everyone is rubbishing him off the back of the last performance but really our whole team has sucked for 4 matches bar about 3 quarters.Right but with Petracca when people say 'one day' you can understand because he has got a good vertical jump, strong for his size, good vision with his kicks etc.
No one has actually answered what he does well, what part of Oscar McDonald as a key defender is better than other average standard AFL defender.
Check out this Topkent I searched Omac and filtered by:
Disposal
Disposal efficiency
All Defensive categories.
Last year he was good, his career averages were good, he is definitely having a down start to the season.
https://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Discover/CD_I992472/McDonald-Oscar
Would be interesting to compare those stats to some other kpd
Omac's role is not intercept defender though, compare his stats on that site vs Talia, Hurley, Frawley, May, Scott Thompson, Rance etc. Efficiency is what it is, if he is kicking back effectively it allows the team to switch, my memories of last year was him going short to the pocket or long to the contest down the wing though. As long as players are hitting targets then that is a positive reflection of something he is good at (I feel you can't argue against this point especially since you posted earlier today regarding woeful skills haha).His disposal efficiency ranks him at the same percentage as Frawley, Rowe and Keefe but efficiency really tells you nothing if it's all kicks backwards and around.
For intercept marks he's ranked as the 50th defender. I just think that's way to low for your number 1 key defender
Omac's role is not intercept defender though, compare his stats on that site vs Talia, Hurley, Frawley, May, Scott Thompson, Rance etc. Efficiency is what it is, if he is kicking back effectively it allows the team to switch, my memories of last year was him going short to the pocket or long to the contest down the wing though. As long as players are hitting targets then that is a positive reflection of something he is good at (I feel you can't argue against this point especially since you posted earlier today regarding woeful skills haha).
I agree with all of that about Omac, but Frost...I don't think I've ever been more frustrated by a player. The first 3 rounds I was calling for his head. Slight redemption in the swans game but I maintain he didn't do a job on buddy, buddy just kicked poorly. I want both of them to succeed. I think both Frost and Omac can be great with some tweaks to their game.Yeah I dunno the career stats and stuff are hard to compare to be fair. Alot of what I dont like about him is hard to quantify in stats, like for Instance he chooses to spoil far too often for my liking and the spoils are with authority, they are crumbed by the oppo easily. Not really a stat for that.
The intercept marking this year though, 1 for the season which was in 50m of space that bud kicked to him is poor.
So thats fine, not all key backs need to be intercept markers but they need to be elite one on one defenders then and we prefer Frost on the main key forward.
I dont even get mad when Frost drops marks at the moment because he atleast goes for them. I couldnt care if he ****s them up but to stay in our plans going forward he need to go back to the VFL and try and mark everything.
I agree with all of that about Omac, but Frost...I don't think I've ever been more frustrated by a player. The first 3 rounds I was calling for his head. Slight redemption in the swans game but I maintain he didn't do a job on buddy, buddy just kicked poorly. I want both of them to succeed. I think both Frost and Omac can be great with some tweaks to their game.
Frost as his best looks awesome, I just hate seeing him slip over, or try and take someone on and get pinged holding the ball or turning it over, I feel like he does that a lot.The simplest way I can compare them is Omacs best games are like 7s, last year he maintained a 6 alot but hes very average.
Frost can play 8s and 9s but he can also play 2s and 3s. When Frost is marking and then running 30m he looks incredible. He also takes on more dangerous kicks than Omac IMO. Stuffs em up more aswell.
Ive never had a problem with Omac disposal, not really an issue for him.
Frost as his best looks awesome, I just hate seeing him slip over, or try and take someone on and get pinged holding the ball or turning it over, I feel like he does that a lot.