Oops Chris

[Donakebab]

It would be pretty funny to see the Renegades go into panic stations if Gayle declared he won't cop the fine, and is instead flying back home. I don't think the Renegades could hold him to his contract, because I don't think he broken any rules to be fined 10k. This whole debacle has 'set off' a rabid Aussie public because they witnessed on live TV a man of color make a pass at one of their own. Not only has a man of privilege, but a man of color. This outrage has shades of Goodes about it, certainly not a great look for Australia.

As a Renegades supporter I'd say good riddance.

Also, bringing colour into it is ridiculous.

 

[Gray Day]

Why does she need to?

I want to hear her thoughts on the matter.

EDIT: Don't bother replying to me now, I have been threadbanned for 'trolling' apparently.

Sorry for not toeing the party line mod friends

 

[Juddy88]

I want to hear her thoughts on the matter.

Well it was evident live that she was in uncomfortable. Her employer has commented it is inappropriate, demeaning, and that she was uncomfortable. She is likely to want to move on from the incident.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Wait a second. You are the one suggesting that blue collar workers get harassed and are not protected. Just because the law suggests a pattern of harassment or more serious instances before someone can be held legally responsible is neither here nor there, unless you are suggesting that Gayle is about to be charged for this incident?

He hasn't been charged but he is paying a penalty. Presumably out of breach of contract, or something. My points, to summarise, are:

- Gayle (IMO) did not sexually harass McLaughlin, he asked one sexually motivated question, got an answer in the negative, and let it go after that. Now I don't know what legally constitutes sexual harassment, but if asking that one question in the workplace environment is enough to qualify as sexual harassment, then there are probably tens or hundreds of thousands of Australians who are guilty of this crime, and probably the majority of them have gone unpunished. It's not a far stretch to assume some of the people who are outraged by Gayle's actions all over the internet are guilty of such a crime themselves.

- It's unfair to slander Gayle's reputation and call him a misogynist when he did not say anything derogatory or misogynistic; secondarily, when it is not out of the realm of possibility that many of the people calling him that could be guilty of the same crime of making a pass at a member of the opposite sex in the workplace.

- If this had happened elsewhere than on the professional cricket field then, in all likelihood, nothing would come of it, since as you say the legal provision does not cover for one simple question.

All workplaces are obligated to have policies for workplace and sexual harassment and I can tell you, it really doesn't matter if it is a colleague, a sub contractor, a visitor to your workplace or anyone else. You have to provide a safe environment for workers and others.

You call me naïve when this is part of what I do for a living.

My mistake. I apologise. You clearly know much more about this than I do. Can we agree then that I am voicing a subjective opinion on what has happened?

So your argument is that she should expect to be sexually harassed when on the job .... that sexual harassment goes with the territory of being a TV presenter ... that it is her fault for accepting the job when she should have known that might happen?

Workplace harassment needs to pass a reasonable person test and generally needs to be humiliating. Do you think humiliation might be exacerbated if it occurs in front of more people?

The only thing missing here is a pattern of behaviour from Gayle to McLaughlin. The pattern exists from others to McLaughlin and from Gayle to others however. Then we are only talking about disciplinary action from an employer here, not a regulatory body.

No, my argument was that you should expect to be humiliated, in general, at least once or twice over a long career. If you are reporting dozens to hundreds of times a year then over a career you will clock up so many screen hours that it would be a statistical anomaly if you did not get humiliated at least once. The only difference between being humiliated in some other way and being asked out, is if you place some sort of special value on being asked out and on sex. I don't place a special value on it, to me, whether you show up on camera drunk or do a nude run like that Today show host, or you get propositioned live on air, it's all the same. But then I have an introverted personality, to me just the idea of going out on nationwide TV is daunting and humiliating even if nothing bad happens, and I can't expect everyone would feel the same about being propositioned being equivalent to some other kind of humiliation.

It's also interesting that we don't think Gayle was humiliated also by being rejected on live TV.

I agree it is exacerbated the more people witness it.

 

[Gray Day]

Well it was evident live that she was in uncomfortable. Her employer has commented it is inappropriate, demeaning, and that she was uncomfortable. She is likely to want to move on from the incident.

That's your interpretation. I'm not interested in your interpretation.

I want to hear what she thinks.

 

[Brock Lesnar]

Didn't Tony Jones ask out Chris Judd's wife on National TV once? Nobody was claiming that was sexual or workplace harassment.

 

[Ronnie Baby]

I want to hear her thoughts on the matter.

Agreed. Hopefully Andy Maher will ask her how she feels tonight.


GO CATTERS!!!!!

 

[Feerits Elf]

How Mel made a statement about the matter yet?

How is babby formed?

How girl get pragnent?

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Sure it would be a chore to do these mandatory interviews, but giving back cliche'd responses is better than not acknowledging the questions in the first place. None of the other Players (to my knowledge) have shown Mel (or Howie when he used to do it) disrespect like that and its Naive of you to think that her gender didn't play a part in that.

Fair point. Her gender definitely had a part in her being propositioned.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

There seem to be two camps in this thread:

1) People who can see Gayle ****ed up

2) Stupid people or trolls

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Fact: Both are derogatory.
Fact: Both are disrespectful.
Fact: Both are sexist.
Fact: Both are demeaning.

I disagree with that. You could make a case for disrespectful. But there's nothing derogatory or sexist or demeaning about Gayle's choice of words.

 

[ManWithNoName]

There seem to be two camps in this thread:

1) People who can see Gayle stuffed up

2) Stupid people or trolls

And the people in camp 1 (for the most part) don't see what he did as some cardinal sin hanging offence. It was just idiotic and disrespectful. However it is representative of a larger problem. The only way someone could not see that is if they choose not to.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

There seem to be two camps in this thread:

1) People who can see Gayle stuffed up

2) Stupid people or trolls

It isn't as simple as yes and no. Why can't somebody agree that in principle Gayle was wrong in asking her out at the workplace, but disagree with the media hysteria and condemnation of him as some sort of savage, drooling, rapist beast? And also contend that in practice Gayle was not wrong since this sort of thing undeniably happens in other workplace environments without anybody being fined over it, e.g. a customer hitting on a barmaid.

 

[Juddy88]

And the people in camp 1 (for the most part) don't see what he did as some cardinal sin hanging offence. It was just idiotic and disrespectful. However it is representative of a larger problem. The only way someone could not see that is if they choose not to.

Exactly. What he did was not worthy of being drawn and quartered.

What is more concerning is the attitude and values of people claiming it to be fine and putting it down to "fun", (since when is humiliating someone on national TV " fun), or claiming she should expect this in her job.

The ignorance is head scratching.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

How Mel made a statement about the matter yet?

Does she have to?

The comments from Neroli Meadows, Melinda Farrell, Debbie Spillane and accounts relating to Erin Molan and Yvonne Sampson tell of a wider issue that incidents like this just emphasise.

If McLaughlin came out and said she was okay with everything, would it change the context of appropriateness considering other female journalists are sick of this sort of thing going on?

No doubt she will prefer not to comment or will say something about it all being resolved or something, and will try her best to not say anything that gives it more heat than it already has. She will want to move on and let it be about her job.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

How Mel made a statement about the matter yet?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

It isn't as simple as yes and no. Why can't somebody agree that in principle Gayle was wrong in asking her out at the workplace, but disagree with the media hysteria and condemnation of him as some sort of savage, drooling, rapist beast? And also contend that in practice Gayle was not wrong since this sort of thing undeniably happens in other workplace environments without anybody being fined over it, e.g. a customer hitting on a barmaid.

Your posts have shown you don't think Gayle did anything wrong. You aren't a 'moderate' in this discussion.

 

[Chief]

Exactly.

What bullshit. You cannot really think that is anything like what other journalists and players are describing as a long-running harassment of women by Gayle, including one describing, after an interview, being stood over and badgered to come out for a drink (listen to the Grandstand interview).

"It happens, situations like this, ten times a day when you're a female in this industry. Without fail. ... It becomes normal not to say anything because if you did you'd be jumping up and down all day."

Absolutely piss-weak - but totally unsurprising - efforts by CarnDaTiggs to play false-equivalence cards like this. Just dumb.

 

[dispute]

You heard the lady, move on.

 

[Brock Lesnar]

Let me guess, this isn't degrading and humiliating, it's just a simple joke right?

 

[Feerits Elf]

You heard the lady, move on.

She said she'd move on.

Nobody else has to.

 

[Juddy88]

It isn't as simple as yes and no. Why can't somebody agree that in principle Gayle was wrong in asking her out at the workplace, but disagree with the media hysteria and condemnation of him as some sort of savage, drooling, rapist beast?

I really haven't seen anyone claim anything close to that.

And also contend that in practice Gayle was not wrong since this sort of thing undeniably happens in other workplace environments without anybody being fined over it.

I don't see how one thing connects to the other? Just because something happens regularly (which I don't believe does) has no bearing on whether it is morally correct and not appropriate.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

lol people forgetting ten reposted it on twitter and only pulled it down after complaints then had Howie do damage control when he was laughing like a school girl the whole time gayle was doing it not to mention talking about how gayle ''injured'' his groin 10 pls

 

[ManWithNoName]

You heard the lady, move on.

"It's good that people are talking"

 

[Juddy88]

lol people forgetting ten reposted it on twitter and only pulled it down after complaints then had Howie do damage control when he was laughing like a school girl the whole time gayle was doing it not to mention talking about how gayle ''injured'' his groin 10 pls

And? What is your point?

Are you implying the guy/woman who was in control of the twitter account at that moment reflects the whole of channel 10, and the media?

I think the fact it was deleted and an apology came almost immediately is more reflective of their attitude. Wouldn't you?