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Jen2310 said:
Baffling he didn’t do more CB time with 53% tog
Can only put it down to management in his second game on a short break. But he did well.
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We did our best to promote the game in SE Queensland today by NOT starting Steene in the middle, despite our best player and midfielder missing as well.
 
GoldenMagpie16 said:
If we are serious about having a long term ruck option, I'd keep playing him for the rest of the year.
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He has outplayed and our Rucked Cameron this season
 

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Jen2310 said:
Baffling he didn’t do more CB time with 53% tog
Can only put it down to management in his second game on a short break. But he did well.
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The ONLY thing this "managed" to achieve was giving Brisbane a 2 goals head start!

Poor coaching! Why play him at all if he can't jump at the start of a match in the middle?
 
901023 said:
The ONLY thing this "managed" to achieve was giving Brisbane a 2 goals head start!

Poor coaching! Why play him at all if he can't jump at the start of a match in the middle?
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agreed.
It was just stupid. Seeing Cameron in there and getting torn apart... pulling hair out type stuff.
 
Hate to seeing him only play Half the Game when I think in the Ruck he been playing Better then Cameron in 2026
 
TradeDraft said:
Hate to seeing him only play Half the Game when I think in the Ruck he been playing Better then Cameron in 2026
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He got monstered tonight in stoppages and all over the ground. To a bloody good ruck in Jackson mind you, but Cameron was far superior tonight. 2 hit outs as a dedicated second ruck is so far below par its not funny
 

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PiCkLeJuiCe said:
I don't get it

Debut - play a great game in the ruck. Everyone lauds the debut.

Game 2 - thou shalt not ruck centre bounces.
Game 3 - thou shalt not be on the ground.

On this trajectory, game 4 is VFL.
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I thought they'd have him at most centre bounces but he hardly played. Real head scratcher considering Cameron wasn't getting many decent hit outs
 
gouki88 said:
I'm not sure why he played in the wet tbh
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Development I suppose or lack of options. Steene's not ready. Being able to jump higher than Briggs is great when you're playing GWS, pretty irrelevant when you're playing Freo.
 
sr36 said:
Development I suppose or lack of options. Steene's not ready. Being able to jump higher than Briggs is great when you're playing GWS, pretty irrelevant when you're playing Freo.
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It’s pleasing someone else feels this way. I still don’t think he offers enough (yet) outside of centre square to warrant selection. Send him back to the VfL to work on the craft outside centre square contests. Sitting on the bench and being a specialist centre bounce ruck isn’t going to develop him

I’d bring in Buller for a few games and see how we go.
 

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stormskye said:
It’s pleasing someone else feels this way. I still don’t think he offers enough (yet) outside of centre square to warrant selection. Send him back to the VfL to work on the craft outside centre square contests. Sitting on the bench and being a specialist centre bounce ruck isn’t going to develop him

I’d bring in Buller for a few games and see how we go.
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If he had a more complete centre square game, he'd do enough. The big issue for me is that his centre square game stops at the hitout - the rucks who follow up well at the fall of the ball are going to murder him when the hitout isn't just a clean exit.
 
Doc1763 said:
he's just a kid playing his 3rd game, what are people expecting?
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I'm not expecting more. I'm just talking about whether or not I'd pick him. To me he's one you'd only play for development reasons unless the match up is right. At the moment I think we're playing the kid for development reasons. I wouldn't do that with Steene as I don't think he's got a high enough cieling for that.
 
I think moreso than ever before Ruckmen are going to be chosen on a "needs be" basis this year. For years you've really only needed the one big unit who could bash his way through contest and take a few marks around the ground but these "new rules" (you'll understand why I've parenthesised this in a minute) really mean coaches will be looking at what oppo teams have in terms of ruck setups and then choosing a ruck combo to exploit that.

Oldies like myself have lived this phenomenon before, I grew up in a time where all teams had a first ruck and a resting ruck and that was the way it was. The first ruck was the class act and the second ruck was basically a big bloke expected to take a few grabs and kick a couple of goals and chop out in the front half allowing the main man to play a "kick behind the play".

Fenton Smith and Bob Johnson, Fellowes and Weideman, Polly Farmer and Sam Newman, Big Nick and Percy Jones, Thommo and Jerka Jenkins......the lists were endless. But then the Athletic Rucks appeared in the late '70's and '80's. Peter Moore, Jimmy Stynes these blokes showed they could run all day and allow teams to play extra mids. By the end of the '90's (with the then "new ruck rules"....the circle and the centre line) rucks were further constrained "to avoid the PCL injuries" they said. And that's the way it stayed until 2026 when the AFL decreed that rucks would be encouraged to JUMP into the contest once again (perhaps they've been genetically modified to not have PCL's anymore?? ) and we find ourselves where teams are scouring their lists for anyone who can jump and certain rucks have been condemned to the scrap heap.

Oscar Steene is a jumper and he demonstrated that skill against GWS (Briggs his opponent that day has been dropped 2 games later because he can't jump). But Oscar Steen has also spent most of his development years learning to ruck as a contest ruckman, the jumping had been coached out of him and the strength moves had been implemented. Now all of a sudden he's supposed to re-kindle his junior years and jump at fully grown men intent on destruction. He did well against Briggs because Briggs can't jump but he was on a hiding to nothing against Draper (Bris) because Draper is bigger, older, heavier and can jump just as high as Oscar.

For those of you who've never done it, running straight at a 110kg ball of muscle, jumping as high as you can when your eyes are on a ball some 3 metres above your head is leaving yourself open to the most horrific sorts of injuries. You HOPE that your lead leg will land atop your opponents without the knees clashing and that you'll get a lift up towards the ball. But if it doesn't, then you'll probably lose the hit out but you'll probably also cop a knee in the ribs for your trouble. Then because you're now enmeshed with your opponent the likelihood is that he's going to land on top of you on the concrete like centre of the ground.

So my take on the fact that Oscar only attended 2 CB's against Freo is that our coaches are trying to use him sparingly against big powerful rucks (Darcy and Jackson) but probably more against similar types like he might find against Carlton and Essendon. He's still a baby ruckman that needs protection against some of the predatory beasts that other clubs have (like Draper, Xerri, Sweet etc).
 

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