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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21465307-2722,00.html
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Andrew McLachlan, a professor of pharmacy at the University in Sydney who specialises in drug testing, said cocaine had the potential to deliver improved oxygen supply, enhanced mental awareness and a feeling of invincibility.

The potential effects of amphetamines are similar, with ice having the additional benefit of improving anaerobic performance. Amphetamines last longer, providing benefits - and associated risks - for up to three hours.

"When you are tired and exhausted, these medicines give you the potential to refocus, remain stimulated and keep fighting on in a match," McLachlan said.

Well, well, well.

And here we all were thinking his superhuman ability to run til he spews and then go straight back for more was thanks to good genes and/or finely-tuned inner mental strength and discipline.
 
dyertribe said:
Andrew McLachlan, a professor of pharmacy at the University in Sydney who specialises in drug testing, said cocaine had the potential to deliver improved oxygen supply, enhanced mental awareness and a feeling of invincibility.
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I get that after a couple of Coopers Pale Ales, but a few get it by coming on here. ;) :D
 
jenny61_99 said:
You seem to have missed the copious articles and statements written over the past week or so stating these facts:

Ben Cousins has a substance abuse problem.
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Jenny, seriously can you not read? they have speculated he has a substance abuse problem.

maybe that's the issue, you're taking gossip as fact. that's New Idea/Today Tonight territory :D

this is not a fact. or at least, based on information in the public arena it isn't nearly a 'fact'. that's the point

Ben Cousins (a highly professional and successful player) missed training on at least 5 occasions (a most unprofessional thing to do).
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ok, now that seems to be an agreed fact.

Ben Cousins has had run ins with the law (re: driving while under the influence, attempting to evade police, belting a taxi driver, associations with Michael Gardner and underworld figures)
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um, are you seriously saying associating with Michael Gardiner is a run in with the law? erm. :confused:


and the list goes on. A club will not drop a star player indefinitely if everything is honky dory. Seriously, think about it - just for a minute.
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um, this statement makes it pretty obvious you've either not read, or tried to understand the arguments put forward.

so on that note...
 

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Markthirtytwo said:
I get that after a couple of Coopers Pale Ales, but a few get it by coming on here. ;) :D
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markthirtytwo logging onto big footy.
 
Crow-mo said:
Jenny, seriously can you not read? they have speculated he has a substance abuse problem.

maybe that's the issue, you're taking gossip as fact. that's New Idea/Today Tonight territory :D

this is not a fact. or at least, based on information in the public arena it isn't nearly a 'fact'. that's the point



ok, now that seems to be an agreed fact.



um, are you seriously saying associating with Michael Gardiner is a run in with the law? erm. :confused:




um, this statement makes it pretty obvious you've either not read, or tried to understand the arguments put forward.

so on that note...
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Hello..... his FATHER came out and said BEN HAS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM! What planet were you on that you missed that little gem??? :rolleyes:

Your arguments AT BEST are vague and seriously flawed. Come back to me when you have something that at least relates to the facts and make some sense.
 
jenny61_99 said:
Hello..... his FATHER came out and said BEN HAS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM! What planet were you on that you missed that little gem??? :rolleyes:

Your arguments AT BEST are vague and seriously flawed. Come back to me when you have something that at least relates to the facts and make some sense.
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Adelaide also said that Simon Goodwin is addicted to gambling. I am yet to be entirely convinced thats the case.

Sometimes people take for granted what is said in public but the true story is something very different.

Not saying thats the case with Cousins. None of us know for certain despite what has been publicly said.
 
jenny61_99 said:
Hello..... his FATHER came out and said BEN HAS A SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEM! What planet were you on that you missed that little gem??? :rolleyes:
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ok, first it was the club who defined he had a problem. now it's his father? it's ok, now I understand. it becomes fact, when his father said says it. or naturally when a player misses some training sessions.

or of course, you could try and read what's been put forward - which focuses on what "it" actually is. just sweeping past this, misses the point. which is odd, because that is the actual issue.


Your arguments AT BEST are vague and seriously flawed. Come back to me when you have something that at least relates to the facts and make some sense.
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sorry, I just don't think you understand the arguments.

i'll give you one example of how wide you've gone:

the question raised relates to what actually "is" the problem. what precisely is the nature of his problem. when people throw around cursory terms, like 'drug issues'. this doesn't tell us much. we know he uses, many people do. not everyone who uses, has a drug problem. we are in the dark about the nature of his situation.

a reply like: "the club says he has a drug problem" or "his father says he has a drug problem" does not say anything about what that problem is.

if you were following or trying to follow what was being said, you'd have seen how irrelevant these responses are. :)
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Adelaide also said that Simon Goodwin is addicted to gambling. I am yet to be entirely convinced thats the case.

Sometimes people take for granted what is said in public but the true story is something very different.

Not saying thats the case with Cousins. None of us know for certain despite what has been publicly said.
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exactly.

how hard is that to follow?
 
Crow-mo said:
ok, first it was the club who defined he had a problem. now it's his father? it's ok, now I understand. it becomes fact, when his father said says it. or naturally when a player misses some training sessions.

or of course, you could try and read what's been put forward - which focuses on :rolleyes: . just sweeping past this, misses the point. which is odd, because that is the actual issue.




sorry, I just don't think you understand the arguments.

i'll give you one example of how wide you've gone:

the question raised relates to what actually "is" the problem. what precisely is the nature of his problem. when people throw around cursory terms, like 'drug issues'. this doesn't tell us much. we know he uses, many people do. not everyone who uses, has a drug problem. we are in the dark about the nature of his situation.

a reply like: "the club says he has a drug problem" or "his father says he has a drug problem" does not say anything about what that problem is.

if you were following or trying to follow what was being said, you'd have seen how irrelevant these responses are. :)
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Strewth, talking about being in denial. :rolleyes:
 

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Ben Cousins OWN father comes out and says "Ben has a substance abuse problem" and we don't know what's going on????? I think it's safe to assume that, um, er, hello, he has a substance abuse problem. It's not rocket science.

As for Simon Goodwin's gambling "problem" - that is what Simon told the Club - hey, that is what he told the public, but nah, let's not believe what he says. What would HE know after all. :rolleyes:

There is always much more to every story than what we see and hear. That is a given. In fact, we probably don't know the half of it. And of course assumptions will be made with only half the facts however, one and one very often adds up to two you know. I think it is SAFE TO ASSUME (due to what we've been told, and the events that have occurred in the last week) that not only does Ben Cousins have a substance abuse problem, but it is one that is big enough for his Club to suspend him indefinitely. What part of that very simple logical equation don't you get?
 
Stiffy_18 said:
Assumption is a mother of all **** ups.

As for the Simon Goodwin thing, if you believe there is actually something there, then I am sorry but you are being VERY naive. MUCH MUCH more to the story thats been told.
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Im confused. Of COURSE there's more to the story.... didn't I just say that?? :confused: But I DO BELIEVE that Goodwin DOES have a gambling issue and that Cousins DOES have a substance abuse problem. To deny that either of those things are issues just because we don't know the whole story is ridiculous.
 

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jenny61_99 said:
Im confused.
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becoming more, and more obvious.

But I DO BELIEVE that Goodwin DOES have a gambling issue and that Cousins DOES have a substance abuse problem.
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you forgot to mention the part about fairies and a flat earth ;)

To deny that either of those things are issues just because we don't know the whole story is ridiculous.
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how's about them Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
 
Crow-mo said:
becoming more, and more obvious.



you forgot to mention the part about fairies and a flat earth ;)



how's about them Iraqi weapons of mass destruction?
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And you wonder why people don't take your arguments seriously! :rolleyes:

When you find an ounce of logic and common sense... let's talk.
 

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