Roast Our Forward Line

[gbatman]

1. Sure we are missing Waite and Warnock is not in allowing Kreuzer forward. But...

2. In the Collingwood game our coaches were far too slow to see when to make moves. We needed Kreuzer forward or Fisher deep early in the 3rd quarter when we had the run. I could see it real early, but the move didn't come until real late where Kreuzer was moved deep. And still we failed to use Fev's drawing ability (which opens up space).

3. Our forwards were selfish. Every one was playing their own game doing their own thing and not doing anything to open it up. The forward line didn't function as a team and didn't work hard enough to clear it out and open it up as well as making the contests.

4. What kind of f***ed up forward line set up has all the players evenly spaced in a line, straight up the middle of the ground between the goal line and center square. Anti-space, anti-corridor?

5. Carrazzo had the defencive forward role and did a really s**t job on Shaw. Carrazzo played selfish dumb footy. He stood about 10-15 meters wide of center about 30m from goal. Shaw stood those 10 meters off Carrazzo in the hole to block up space. Carrazzo needed to be about 25 meters towards the boundary to drag shaw out of the hole. Stupid selfish Carrazzo wouldn't sacrifice his game for the team or are our coaches too stupid?

6. When Fevola led there opened up a big space at the back of him where there was no one within 25M of goal. The only player smart enough to lead back into that space was Betts and he's not the player to be doing this role. He needs to be crumbing while a tall uses the hole Fevola creates when he leads.

7. How I would set up.

Whats wrong with 3 tall forwards huddled in the goal square, bringing all talls to the one little area opening it right up and using other players for chop out shepherds on leads. Having Fevola being the 1st one to lead and someone like fisher (Waite) being the second one to lead and someone like Kreuzer (Hampson) staying back and giving us an option close to goal. At least we could achieve 1 on 1 this way as well as space and different options all working on the same wave length.

The second player to lead (Fisher/Waite) would play the role of the CHF when we are bringing the ball from back of center. The CHF would start in the goal square and lead up hard and long to get their possessions at CHF. Brown and Riewoldt lead from the goal square playing CHF a lot of the time. They just lead earlier to be an option further up the ground.

The CHF should never never never start from true CHF in modern footy like we do. There should be no players anywhere near true CHF at ball ups in modern football. It allows the CHB and HBF's to drop off and cover the space in front of goal and allow players to come in and cut of our forward run. We need to make defenders accountable and position them by positinioning ourselves better.

We would need our small forwards to take their opponents wide so they can't block the space but our small forwards would need to work hard to get to contests so they can be involved and be there at ground level.

8. Dealing with loose players. We need to make loose players accountable by putting their opponent in a dangerous position with heaps of space. Carrazzo should have been near the boundary line in the forward pocket, on his own with a lot of space to make Shaw go to him, hence taking Shaw out of our space. Sure Carrazzo is not in a great position to get the ball but it gives the other forwards a much much better chance and if he works hard enough and is fit and fast enough he'll be able to make some contests. The way to deal with lose men is not put a man next to them, but rather to but their man in a position where they must be manned up on.

 

[Bluebear]

1. Sure we are missing Waite and Warnock is not in allowing Kreuzer forward. But...

2. In the Collingwood game our coaches were far too slow to see when to make moves. We needed Kreuzer forward or Fisher deep early in the 3rd quarter when we had the run. I could see it real early, but the move didn't come until real late where Kreuzer was moved deep. And still we failed to use Fev's drawing ability (which opens up space).

Notice anything else early?
We couldn't hit a target by hand or foot to save ourselves. Fev would have had 3 good shots on goals early were it not for half volleys delivered to him.
What forward structure improvesa your midfield disposal?

3. Our forwards were selfish. Every one was playing their own game doing their own thing and not doing anything to open it up. The forward line didn't function as a team and didn't work hard enough to clear it out and open it up as well as making the contests.

Can't argue there, but this same message could be extended across the board. Our mids don't work hard for each other and our defenders rarely do.

4. What kind of f***ed up forward line set up has all the players evenly spaced in a line, straight up the middle of the ground between the goal line and center square. Anti-space, anti-corridor?

Pan the setup all you like, but the fact is when the Pies hit the front by 31 points in the final quarter we still had 1 more scoring shot. Had we taken the first option rather than double back allowing the Pies to zone up, and hit our targets all of a sudden the forward structure looks great.

5. Carrazzo had the defencive forward role and did a really s**t job on Shaw. Carrazzo played selfish dumb footy. He stood about 10-15 meters wide of center about 30m from goal. Shaw stood those 10 meters off Carrazzo in the hole to block up space. Carrazzo needed to be about 25 meters towards the boundary to drag shaw out of the hole. Stupid selfish Carrazzo wouldn't sacrifice his game for the team or are our coaches too stupid?

That's funny, because I thought Grigg was on Shaw and Carrots went to Didak.

6. When Fevola led there opened up a big space at the back of him where there was no one within 25M of goal. The only player smart enough to lead back into that space was Betts and he's not the player to be doing this role. He needs to be crumbing while a tall uses the hole Fevola creates when he leads.

Except for the last time we played the Pies in which he played this role to perfection with a match winning 4 goals?

7. How I would set up.

Pass.

 

[blblues]

The forwards could only do so much with the delivery they were getting on the weekend. The kicking skills under pressure are something that really needs to be improved before we can be a real contender.

 

[thylacine60]

The kicking skills under zero pressure aren't much to write home about either.

 

[amf87]

the 3rd quarter on friday night was one of the most frustrating i have ever seen, a repeat of our midfield kicking into the forward 50 and collingwood clearing it out. I dont know what the solution is but something has to be done

 

[BluesMan]

4. What kind of f***ed up forward line set up has all the players evenly spaced in a line, straight up the middle of the ground between the goal line and center square. Anti-space, anti-corridor?.

Neally every team in the afl has had a set up like this! They start in a line and lead out to the flanks leaving the space in the guts for fev. How about you actully think before you swear at an afl game plan

 

[Bluebear]

I dont know what the solution is but something has to be done

Oh that's easy.
Present a good first option to the guy with the ball.....then he has to take that option, and execute the delivery.

Too many times we hesitated to weigh up options. This mean numbers got back and the ball carrier came under increasing pressure.

Result? Delivery under pressure to guys receiving under pressure.

Take the first option and keep the ball moving forward at all costs (Geelong mentality). Yep, you may turn some over (no more than if you hold it up), but you'll kick a few as well.

 

[gbatman]

I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the one to have to hit targets in that rabble of a forward line. wasn't just bad kicking but a crowded disfunctional forward line is hard to hit a target in. Kicking was bad but our forwardline made it look worse.

 

[TwiggleyFanClub]

I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the one to have to hit targets in that rabble of a forward line. wasn't just bad kicking but a crowded disfunctional forward line is hard to hit a target in. Kicking was bad but our forwardline made it look worse.

Also not helped by the subject of your other thread...

 

[Alice]

Oh that's easy.
Present a good first option to the guy with the ball.....then he has to take that option, and execute the delivery.

Too many times we hesitated to weigh up options. This mean numbers got back and the ball carrier came under increasing pressure.

Result? Delivery under pressure to guys receiving under pressure.

Take the first option and keep the ball moving forward at all costs (Geelong mentality). Yep, you may turn some over (no more than if you hold it up), but you'll kick a few as well.

That starts in defence where we have certain players stagnating play and crabbing sideways.

 

[Bluebear]

I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the one to have to hit targets in that rabble of a forward line. wasn't just bad kicking but a crowded disfunctional forward line is hard to hit a target in. Kicking was bad but our forwardline made it look worse.

Sure, but when a team is hell bent on zoning back against you the only way to beat it is to move the ball quickly and accurately.

There were plenty of times where Fev, Kreuz and others were on leads beating their man into space.

We either:

1. Hit them up with a half volley
2. Kicked it over their head
3. Chose to ignore them to kick it to Cam Wood instead
4. Tried to go long to the player running into the space behind the lead, only to have the kick fall short by 20m.

Poor decision, slow movement, poor execution.

You give me a game plan and forward structure that thrives under these criteria.

That starts in defence where we have certain players stagnating play and crabbing sideways.

....yes that's true, but the ones that killed me the most were in the corridor or as we ran, choosing to ignore the first lead, then go sideways, by which time the zone was setting up......then attempting to run through or kick through the zone.

Hopefully we have learnt a lesson.......and we will get a chance to practice it vs Crows in round 22.

If we make the same mistakes that game I will officially join the "What the Ratts?" bandwagon.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Do you get paid by the negative thread? You must surely be. I wish I was paid to read them cos god knows it aint entertaining or enlightening (unless you want an insight into herd mentality). And dont get me started on the actual faults, a commentator mentions something in a call and next thing you know there are 5 threads about how bad our side is at doing what the commentator said and what is Ratts gonna do about it. For every post bagging the coach for this move there is another bagging him for not making the same move, or for making it too early or too late or with the wrong color jocks on or Rich would have done it better. I am sick to death of it.

There are 4 roasts on the first page alone and not a toast in sight. Am I in bbf (bizarro big footy) by mistake where love for you club is displayed by how much you can insult and bag them? Although to be fair there hasnt been an anti JR thread for about 5 minutes.

This place is a disgrace. I was led here in December under the misaprehension it was a place for supporters, not whining nancy boys.

 

[Alpha1]

Another great post by 30YearBlue. I guess you found a lot of positives from Friday night huh. I mean I bet you already have a ton of excuses for the passengers in our side, and also the disgraceful skills of ours. FM we should all just bow down to you and cheer on our side to greater degrees of shitness.

 

[thylacine60]

Glad I'm not the only fan fuelled by anger over our shit performances. Get grumpy or get out.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Another great post by the 30YearOldBlue. I guess you found a lot of positives from Friday night huh. I mean I bet you already have a ton of excuses for the passengers in our side, and also the disgraceful skills of ours. FM we should all just bow down to you and cheer on our side to greater degrees of shitness.

Another sizzling comeback from Sniper1 the ice princess. OUCH!

 

[Alpha1]

At least I can see the broader picture, you are truly someone to be laughed at. All you see is your brown nose, licking arse, I bet if you ever meet the players you would be the one in the corner giggling away. It's all well and good to be positive, but when we get disgraceful performances we have a right to criticise the team, the players etc. If you don't like that then fine, stick to your positive bullshit, but don't go around preaching or standing on your pulpit trying to ****ing look good. I bet you are one of those people who stand and cheer when we get done by 100 points, wouldn't surprise me.

 

[40yearBLUE]

At least I can see the broader picture, you are truly someone to be laughed at. All you see is your brown nose, licking arse, I bet if you ever meet the players you would be the one in the corner giggling away. It's all well and good to be positive, but when we get disgraceful performances we have a right to criticise the team, the players etc. If you don't like that then fine, stick to your positive bullshit, but don't go around preaching or standing on your pulpit trying to ****ing look good. I bet you are one of those people who stand and cheer when we get done by 100 points, wouldn't surprise me.

Zing! Ouch again, oh that one really hurt, pass me the Kleenex. Snipa1 2 30year zip, I blame Ratts and Hughs.

Oh and you have a right to be as big a sniper as you like, I have a right to think you are even more ridiculous than your posts suggest you are.

 

[Alpha1]

Zing! Ouch again, oh that one really hurt, pass me the Kleenex. Snipa1 2 30year zip, I blame Ratts and Hughs.

Oh and you have a right to be as big a sniper as you like, I have a right to think you are even more ridiculous than your posts suggest you are.

Yes keep calling me a sniper, you obviously have no clue. Have I blamed Ratten or Hughes? I have questioned Ratten, but you are just a idiot, and you keep proving it over and over. In your small mind anyone who questions players, or criticises the team is a sniper, but your just so understanding, you continue to support the shit we get dished up and be happy.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Snipa1 3 30 year 0 STICKS DO SOMETHING!

 

[The Coach]

I tell you what, I wouldn't want to be the one to have to hit targets in that rabble of a forward line. wasn't just bad kicking but a crowded disfunctional forward line is hard to hit a target in. Kicking was bad but our forwardline made it look worse.

Batman - feel free to apologize to Carrots for incorrectly blaming him for Shaw

Another sizzling comeback from Sniper1 the ice princess. OUCH!

30y - you had better add Kouta and Wallsy to your sniper list, they had nothing positive to say about the team this week - only expressing veiled statements of disgust

 

[40yearBLUE]

Batman - feel free to apologize to Carrots for incorrectly blaming him for Shaw



30y - you had better add Kouta and Wallsy to your sniper list, they had nothing positive to say about the team this week - only expressing veiled statements of disgust

As much as I dislike it when family airs their dirty laundry in public, they are paid to pass judgement now and to a degree that is world we live in, but they have 1 major ticket to ride, they are both club legends. They have earned it. I havent, you havent, and Snipa1 certainly hasnt.

 

[Alpha1]

As much as I dislike it when family airs their dirty laundry in public, they are paid to pass judgement now and to a degree that is world we live in, but they have 1 major ticket to ride, they are both club legends. They have earned it. I havent, you havent, and Snipa1 certainly hasnt.

Snipa1? lol I like that might have to change my nickname, you are a fool. So boys and girls lets not get angry, or criticise the shit performances just in case 30yearfool will call you a Snipa.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Do you get paid by the negative thread? You must surely be. I wish I was paid to read them cos god knows it aint entertaining or enlightening (unless you want an insight into herd mentality). And dont get me started on the actual faults, a commentator mentions something in a call and next thing you know there are 5 threads about how bad our side is at doing what the commentator said and what is Ratts gonna do about it. For every post bagging the coach for this move there is another bagging him for not making the same move, or for making it too early or too late or with the wrong color jocks on or Rich would have done it better. I am sick to death of it.

There are 4 roasts on the first page alone and not a toast in sight. Am I in bbf (bizarro big footy) by mistake where love for you club is displayed by how much you can insult and bag them? Although to be fair there hasnt been an anti JR thread for about 5 minutes.

This place is a disgrace. I was led here in December under the misaprehension it was a place for supporters, not whining nancy boys.

If you feel that way you can always leave.

 

[mediumsizered]

Can we focus on the thread topic rather than personal point scoring? A continuation of the personal vendettas will see this thread closed.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

After friday nights game alot of people are entitled to have issues with both the forwards and the coach, we kicked 4 goals and for a club with the players we have down there we should be better than that. The coach was not to blame but his moves where minumal and supporters have evry right to ask serious questions when the team puts in a performance like that.