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[Dard Ball Get]

We stuffed it up regardless. Could have let King build up in the VFL for a couple of years playing when he was in form and not thrown him in the deep end too early.

Then you’d have the sooks sookin’ that a first round draft pick was rotting in the VFL lol

 

[gringo2011]

The would 'mismanagement' is being thrown around very lightly at the moment. It would be nice if we lived in a world where all it took as 1 doctor looking at a problem to instantly solve it, but the human body is not that simple.

Based on what has been publicly said, the first issue with the floating scar tissue that was removed couldn't be seen on a scan because it only bothersome when Max was running. That''s why they waited to do the arthroscope because the scans were fine and they aren't going to operate on someone as the first point of call when the scans weren't showing any need to do so. It's very likely there is still some in there that was missed because they weren't sure on how much there was when they went in. Or that more dislodged in that weird movement captured on the ch7 cameras that seemed to bother him. It's also likely he did tweak a calf on top of the knee issue because doing soft-tissue when rehabbing something else is very common.

Who knows - we aren't his doctors and aren't entitled to know those details. But this is just trying to say that just because it hasn't been a linear timeline of return, doesn't mean mismanagement has occurred. Just that these issues can be complicated and arent always as straight forward as they get presented on here as.

We seem to have a lot of bad luck with our surgeons and injuries. We always thought that we could rehabilitate broken doe players ad seemed to never get one right. Guys retire early from our side due to injury.

I remember talking to Dylan Roberton and he said that at one point they were going to fuse his ankle because they thought it was too far gone after he played on it when they'd cleared him to play and rolled it badly a second time. Tom Lee had a problem with his shoulders popping out and they didn't find that it was a congenital condition until his final season. Could have had a simple surgery.

 

[BrutThough]

We stuffed it up regardless. Could have let King build up in the VFL for a couple of years playing when he was in form and not thrown him in the deep end too early.

He was 2nd in our goal kicking (beaten by Butler) in his first season playing. Why would we put that in the VFL?

Not to mention, that was 2020 and there was no VFL was played. While we wouldn't have known that at the time, his performance and goal tally showed it would have been an unnecessary to not plan on him playing seniors.

 

[phantom13]

You dont say I was clearly referring to the comments talking about mismanaging the medical side of this situation.

Probably should have said that considering there’s plenty of people talking about other mismanagement.

 

[phantom13]

There was no room for Bruce in a forward line that had King, Membrey and a resting Ryder/Marshall. Time to move on from him.

Nahhh… I mean plenty of teams have three tall forwards plus a ruckman and membreys not even a true tall forward.

 

[phantom13]

maybe they didn't feel it was an ongoing problem. it doesn't take much to pick up an injury, I did my back moving a basket of washing once...

Cool story. Did king pick up another injury? Cause what they’ve told us is that it’s all related and ongoing so I guess my point stands.

It’s either a surgery, protocol/rehab or communication issue.

If he picked up another knee injury moving a basket of washing then they should say that (and we should all be deeply concerned that a 24 year old professional athlete is doing injuries hanging his washing out)

 

[TheJackal]

That’s a lot of words to say you’re throwing darts in the dark lmao

Agreed, constructive, thanks. We all are. Better?

 

[TheJackal]

Sorry man , not trying to take the p155 but how would you know what condition his knee is in , iv seen some out there statements on here but this is near the top of the tree

Don't be sorry man, noone knows what condition his knee is in - including our medicos. Hence why we are speculating on an internet forum. If my statement was amongst the most out there statements on here, you need to read more.

 

[gubby88]

Cool story. Did king pick up another injury? Cause what they’ve told us is that it’s all related and ongoing so I guess my point stands.

It’s either a surgery, protocol/rehab or communication issue.

If he picked up another knee injury moving a basket of washing then they should say that (and we should all be deeply concerned that a 24 year old professional athlete is doing injuries hanging his washing out)

think youre missing the point, the point is that its easy to get injured...some more than others. i mean Dane Rampe broke his arm jumping over a low fence, sharrod wellingham stuffed his ankle on a trampoline...

it could be that he was tracking okay..picked up a niggle, went for a clean out..came back, hurt his calf...had a bit more soreness now going back in for another cleanup....it just seems like you have your knickers in a twist and want to shout at clouds

 

[phantom13]

think youre missing the point, the point is that its easy to get injured...some more than others. i mean Dane Rampe broke his arm jumping over a low fence, sharrod wellingham stuffed his ankle on a trampoline...

it could be that he was tracking okay..picked up a niggle, went for a clean out..came back, hurt his calf...had a bit more soreness now going back in for another cleanup....it just seems like you have your knickers in a twist and want to shout at clouds

Swing a miss. Have they said anything about a new injury? If they have I’ll happily stand corrected until then…

 

[gubby88]

Swing a miss. Have they said anything about a new injury? If they have I’ll happily stand corrected until then…

have they not mentioned a new injury? why do they need to tell you all ins and outs? fact is, big Max is injured..they are trying to rectify that. i dont really see what the big hoopla is all about, as i said...yelling at clouds

 

[True Believer]

We seem to have a lot of bad luck with our surgeons and injuries. We always thought that we could rehabilitate broken doe players ad seemed to never get one right. Guys retire early from our side due to injury.

I remember talking to Dylan Roberton and he said that at one point they were going to fuse his ankle because they thought it was too far gone after he played on it when they'd cleared him to play and rolled it badly a second time. Tom Lee had a problem with his shoulders popping out and they didn't find that it was a congenital condition until his final season. Could have had a simple surgery.

That's not just us, it's common in the AFL. I remember talking to a former WCE player at dinner once (can't remember his name, was on their list about 4 years and played a handful of games) and his career had ended due to an ankle injury. The issue with AFL clubs is the list size and the need to get back on the park, and the pressure the players put on themselves to play - they don't play and their career ends, often before it began. This bloke was in his mid-twenties and was never again capable of running at anything more than a casual jog.

 

[g_TRAIN]

That's not just us, it's common in the AFL. I remember talking to a former WCE player at dinner once (can't remember his name, was on their list about 4 years and played a handful of games) and his career had ended due to an ankle injury. The issue with AFL clubs is the list size and the need to get back on the park, and the pressure the players put on themselves to play - they don't play and their career ends, often before it began. This bloke was in his mid-twenties and was never again capable of running at anything more than a casual jog.

And it's not just common in the AFL and spots, it's unfortunately common for regular folks too.

I've personally had a good handful of medical ****ups due to oversights and a lack of understanding.

Sadly as individuals, we actually need to become experts in our own bodies when we get these types of injuries.

I know with one issue I had, I ended up knowing much more about the condition than just about any doctor I saw—and it was only because of that that I ended up getting the right treatment.

 

[luca77]

And it's not just common in the AFL and spots, it's unfortunately common for regular folks too.

I've personally had a good handful of medical ****ups due to oversights and a lack of understanding.

Sadly as individuals, we actually need to become experts in our own bodies when we get these types of injuries.

I know with one issue I had, I ended up knowing much more about the condition than just about any doctor I saw—and it was only because of that that I ended up getting the right treatment.

Very normal, every club battles with these things, and every club has supporters who think it's just their club that sucks at it.

Like you, I had a mystery ankle problem that had me almost collapsing in pain. I went several times to the doctor used by North. Plenty of scans, jabs and theories. He shared the scans with other industry colleagues, still no unanimous answer.

I also used to do remedial work on injuries and chronic pain. There are people on here more qualified than me regarding these things. And, notably, they're not the ones carrying on about it.

People want info, info, info. The club, probably reluctantly, says what they can at the time. Then, when things go on, we hear cries of "lies, lies, lies". But every club would have supporters who act like this.

Everyone involved is doing the best they can to get Max on the park. When they have solid, specific info, they'll tell us. But the more people rage about these things, the more private the club will be with the info. Hence the request for privacy and consideration this week.

 

[Saintbloke]

Golden staph is a big issue with surgery of any kind and there is no quick fix apart from IV antibiotics and then cross your fingers and hope it resolves itself.

A mate of mine had a knee replacement 12 months ago and got an infection. 6 months later he had the knee re-opened and cleaned up, it improved but the infection lingered. 6 months later after intensive IV antibiotics, he had another operation to replace the titanium with a temporary plastic joint, as the infection attached itself to the titanium. Luckily it appears to have worked but he will need another operation in May to replace the plastic joint with a titanium one. A total of 4 operations on the one leg, his scar tissue looks like a train track. Luckily his other knee had a TKR prior to the problem one and there was no issue.

My knees are in pretty bad shape, but my mates experience has deterred me from considering any TKR. It is totally understandable about Paddy Dow and golden staph is more common than you think, particularly amongst older folks.

A neighbor had golden staph from a hospital visit for injury, and is a fit and healthy mature bloke. It really stuffed him for a year or so, but I think he is now back in good health again

 

[gringo2011]

Then you’d have the sooks sookin’ that a first round draft pick was rotting in the VFL lol

Not for ever. Just develop him quietly instead of shoving him out on the stage alone before he was ready. Said it at the time too. We were desperate to look like we were moving forward, not to actually move forward.

 

[gringo2011]

That's not just us, it's common in the AFL. I remember talking to a former WCE player at dinner once (can't remember his name, was on their list about 4 years and played a handful of games) and his career had ended due to an ankle injury. The issue with AFL clubs is the list size and the need to get back on the park, and the pressure the players put on themselves to play - they don't play and their career ends, often before it began. This bloke was in his mid-twenties and was never again capable of running at anything more than a casual jog.

Very few examples of us rehabilitating players or getting serious injury right in the last 10 years though. When we were picking up broken down players we kept being told that we had elite surgeons and medical staff. Is there any actual evidence of their good work?

 

[gubby88]

Very few examples of us rehabilitating players or getting serious injury right in the last 10 years though. When we were picking up broken down players we kept being told that we had elite surgeons and medical staff. Is there any actual evidence of their good work?

Mason Wood definitely one i reckon.

 

[phantom13]

have they not mentioned a new injury? why do they need to tell you all ins and outs? fact is, big Max is injured..they are trying to rectify that. i dont really see what the big hoopla is all about, as i said...yelling at clouds

Not to my knowledge, no.

And yeh, if they’re going to tell us injury and return timeframes they kinda open themselves up to criticism when they get it so badly wrong.

If you don’t care it’s weird you’re even here defending it (and completely missing the point)

 

[gringo2011]

And it's not just common in the AFL and spots, it's unfortunately common for regular folks too.

I've personally had a good handful of medical ****ups due to oversights and a lack of understanding.

Sadly as individuals, we actually need to become experts in our own bodies when we get these types of injuries.

I know with one issue I had, I ended up knowing much more about the condition than just about any doctor I saw—and it was only because of that that I ended up getting the right treatment.

AFL players generally get access to the absolute best sports medical specialists unlike the rest of us. Often they'll use a surgeon or doctor aligned with the club though and if they are no good you get more negative results than positive.

 

[gringo2011]

Mason Wood definitely one i reckon.

Or did he just stabilise. Not sure what he was like in his last year at North but he was definitely injury prone early on.

 

[phantom13]

Or did he just stabilise. Not sure what he was like in his last year at North but he was definitely injury prone early on.

Got himself a sports science degree and is currently doing his masters.


He probably fixed himself

 

[beside the seaside]

It would just be so good to get some actual good news with the knee. Like in a fortnights time he's pain free and training well. This year has been like water torture with him.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Not for ever. Just develop him quietly instead of shoving him out on the stage alone before he was ready. Said it at the time too. We were desperate to look like we were moving forward, not to actually move forward.

The bloke kicked 22, 38 & 52 goals in his first 3 years. Hardly suggests he wasn’t ready. You run on your legs in the VFL too and his arm would’ve been yanked out by Dougal wherever he was playing.

Just another reason to make up some negative bent I guess.

 

[stavro#4]

Got himself a sports science degree and is currently doing his masters.


He probably fixed himself

So if I’m understanding you here, max should become a knee specialist.