Roast Our kicking at goal

[MVP_PaulRoos]

To put it simply, our kicking at goal (TDL, the obvious exception) is appalling. I have no idea how we stack up against other clubs generally, but as a percentage of total score, we always seem to kick more behinds than our opponents. Obviously Carlton's own deficiency in this area meant we didn't look as bad in that game, but it was hardly a shining light for us either.

I want TDL to take the rest of the boys aside, once a week from now on, and teach them how to kick for goal. I have a feeling that in a decade's time, AFL fans will look back and marvel that there were actually games where teams kicked more behinds than goals.

 

[SM]

Collingwood are a big example of a team that has the same defficiency but still totally dominates the opposition. I don't think it's a stat that's too concerning to be honest, because statistically there's a greater chance of kicking a behind than a goal anyway.

I have a feeling it's going the other way as the game speeds up, there'll be a greater intensity, more scoring shots, more behinds. Unless they cap interchanges which I'm starting to come around to.

 

[Coptic Soldier]

statistically there's a greater chance of kicking a behind than a goal anyway.

I dont understand your logic.....statistically the greatest chance should be kicking it out on the full?

I agree with the original post.....but right now its only an Australian game, therefore we are limited to the amount of athletes we can possibly draw in. As the game gets bigger, we will see the skill level of the AFL increase, as seen with the big American sports like Basketball, American Football etc.

 

[Swans120]

I was watching the replay and i noticed that our goals tended to be very manufactured and harder than Carlton's. What i mean by that is Carlton's goal seemed to be more often from a long kick, mark and kick whereas ours seemed to be much more from hard work/crumbs/keeping the ball alive (2 of Bevo's, TDL's 3rd, Jetta's, ROK's) or ruck contests (Shaw's 2nd and Jack's).

I suppose that is not surprising considering we have Bradshaw/McGlynn out to take some structure out of the forward line. From what i can remember we had fewer goals that came directly from a long kick and mark (Goodes', Bevan's first after a Goodes mark, two of TDL's and Jesse's) Just what i noticed from Sunday. Perhaps it leads to a worse conversion rate with less structure and set shots on goal to be had and more bullocking and hard work in the forward line keeping the ball alive.

Just a thought.

 

[legend166]

Goodsey is the worst offender (from those we expect to kick goals).

He's kicked 42.39.

You turn that into 60.21 like it should be, and he's in the top 5 goal kickers in the comp.

 

[indieswan96]

Goodsey is the worst offender (from those we expect to kick goals).

He's kicked 42.39.

You turn that into 60.21 like it should be, and he's in the top 5 goal kickers in the comp.

Yep at time he has 3 or 4 behinds in a game and only 1 goal. Just reverse that we are looking very good.

ROK because of his injury hardly shoots from more than 40 on a set shot, but he has been awfully inaccurate this year, along with the amount of frees he gives. It's a pity becasue he is one my favourite players.

 

[Sanecow]

I have no idea how we stack up against other clubs generally, but as a percentage of total score, we always seem to kick more behinds than our opponents.

It turns out that in our 23 games this year, we kicked more accurately than our opposition in all but 7 games. So, more often than not we are more accurate than our opponent.

This roast is unwarranted!

 

[SM]

I dont understand your logic.....statistically the greatest chance should be kicking it out on the full?

I agree with the original post.....but right now its only an Australian game, therefore we are limited to the amount of athletes we can possibly draw in. As the game gets bigger, we will see the skill level of the AFL increase, as seen with the big American sports like Basketball, American Football etc.

I didn't say greatest chance, I said of the two there is more chance of kicking a point than a goal.

 

[swansfan51]

Goodsey is the worst offender (from those we expect to kick goals).

He's kicked 42.39.

You turn that into 60.21 like it should be, and he's in the top 5 goal kickers in the comp.

He also has the worst disposal efficiency in the team this year, under 60% which is to be honest pretty abysmal. Has not been his best year, he is still taking wonderful contested marks and imposing himself, but has not been good enough with his disposal or goalkicking.

 

[NobleBlood]

Goodsey is the worst offender (from those we expect to kick goals).

He's kicked 42.39.

You turn that into 60.21 like it should be, and he's in the top 5 goal kickers in the comp.

Hehe. I don't think anyones kicked a 60.21 in the history of AFL.

To be fair, Adam Goodes had an accuracy of 69% last year, which was 3rd in the AFL. Amazingly, Daniel Bradshaw was 1st at 71%.

Seriously but, you get way worse than the Swans accuracy. When the game is less desperate and tooth and nail as Sunday's game was, you'll probably see more composed shooting.

 

[Horns]

Hehe. I don't think anyones kicked a 60.21 in the history of AFL.

To be fair, Adam Goodes had an accuracy of 69% last year, which was 3rd in the AFL. Amazingly, Daniel Bradshaw was 1st at 71%.

60.21 would be 74%, more in the domain of someone like Lloyd at his best, but not impossible. I do agree that we cannot expect that from anyone in our team. Seeing Goodes miss half of his shots or more is disappointing though

 

[legend166]

Professional AFL forwards should be kicking at 75%.

 

[NobleBlood]

Professional AFL forwards should be kicking at 75%.

You'd think so. A lot depends on where you play within the forward line. Nick Davis and Brendan Fevola were considered 2 of the most accurate kicks, yet statistically they weren't. They had a bunch of behinds, but its because they took harder shots from sidelines and beyond 50.

Its funny because Basket Ball players almost never miss shots. Golfers almost never miss puts and Rugby Union players rarely miss conversions. In AFL, we always miss shots. Haha.

Kicking at goal is a harder skill. You have to kick the ball out of the air, with a clean release of the ball, then onto a moving leg. More variables. Then there's wind for not only the ball flight, but ball drop.

 

[bungee]

In his first year (1987) Plugger kicked at a lousy 69%. By contrast he kicked at 100% in his last season (2002). So on accuracy alone you'd have to say he retired at his peak

Trouble is he only kicked 3 goals in 2002, whereas in 1987 he kicked 117 goals, won a Brownlow on debut (screw the rising star) and became the only full forward to win a Brownlow.

Over his career he managed 75% or better in only a few seasons.

MOL kicked 75% just once, in his first year, yet I'd consider him pretty accurate too.

Great forwards take more shots as they are very good targets. They get more ball. What makes a good forward is not so much kicking accuracy but marking ability.

 

[Sanecow]

Capper's accuracy stats are quite good, I think you'll find.

 

[J_Moore]

Professional AFL forwards should be kicking at 75%.

Where did you get this number from?

 

[bungee]

Capper's accuracy stats are quite good, I think you'll find.

Of course, with 'those shorts' he could either kick straight through the ball or rip his nuts off.

 

[bungee]

Where did you get this number from?

The best statistics are always pulled fresh from one's butt. Ask a politician.

 

[bungee]

Capper kicked at less than 50% according to footywire stats with the exception of 1987 when he almost reached 60% (103-57)

For me, I reckon better than 50% is a pass. If a full forward kicks >100 goals in a season who cares how many he misses.

 

[legend166]

It's not a statistic I've pulled from anywhere.

I'm saying, that professional forwards who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to kick goals, should be able to perform a repeatable process and get it right 75 times out of 100.

And just as a note, TDL is kicking 75%

 

[MVP_PaulRoos]

I knew it would cost us, and it did. When it mattered, we kicked behinds. We kicked 4 straight behinds at one point. When we line up for goal, I expect a behind (unless it is TDL, or, for some reason, Jetta).

 

[Dangas]

Bradshaw's hit the post was unforgivable, it was is first senior game since round 9, what should we expect