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Hi everyone.

Just going through our list. Got bored, so I decided to just go over our list and uhm, grade it.
Every single player on the Richmond Football Club 2013 player list. Current Grade, Potential grade and a summery of the player from what I have seen.

I think I judge accurately and have no bias towards a player.

Anyway, we go

RICHMOND LiST:

44- Matt Arnot -Grade D: Pot C/B: Haven't heard a lot about this kid. Hasn't played any outstanding games to grab any mention.

12- Dave Astbury- Grade C: Pot B/A: Have heard a lot about the bloke. Highly rated, has a bad string on injuries which has caused him to miss alot of AFL games. Still only 22 years of age, could be a replacement for Vickery/Mcguane up foward if able to get a clean bill of health and good run of form.

11- Jake Batchelor- Grade C: Pot B/A: Again, like Astbury had a bad run of injuries. Seems to be rated throughout the forum. Personally hasn't shown anything special. Gave him the benifit of the doubt that he can show improvement. Still young at 21 years. No doubt he can improve.

25- Troy Chaplin - Grade B+: Pot:A/A+: Clearly a win for the club in the Trade/FA realm. Chaplin has established himself in the best 22 with ease after a run of good games. Seems to be criticized for with use of ball and clangers. Haven't seen many, if all this season. Turned 27 this year, so brought in for a fight for the top 8 period of the next 3 years, before finding a replacement or upgrade.

30- Reece Conca - Grade B: Pot:A/A+: Criticized through-out the AFL community for being selected over Dyson Heppel, was showing us what he is capable of before his recent injury. Excited for this kid.

9-Trent Cotchin: Grade A-: Pot: A+: Has shown the AFL that he is amongst one of the elites in the game. Seems to be down a little this year. In Captain Cotch, we trust. No doubt will turn it on later in the year. Still only 23 years young. Will be legendary in 3-4 years.

48- Ben Darrou- Rookie

7-Matt Dea: Grade C: Pot: B/B+: Played against Melbourne. Didn't do anything worth mentioning. Was quiet for most of the game. Has shown some good from of recently in the 2's however.

3- Brett Deledio: Grade B+ Pot A/A+: Has shown some fantastic form in spurts of his game, yet struggles against tags and doesn't show enough leadership to change an outcome of the game. Shown he can be elite, prays he shows it through-out the rest of the season

39-Tom-Derickx: Grade D: Pot: C: Will be moved on at the end of the year. Has shown nothing to suggest he will be anything special.

27- Arron Edwards: Grade C: Pot: C+/B: Has shown form in the 2's that had everyone screaming for him to be selected for the past month. Has been selected this week, hopefully can show form and be a revelation in terms of forward structure.

10- Shane Edwards: Grade B: Pot: B+/A-: Has been more then serviceable this past month. One of our more consistent midfielders and approaching his mid twenties, will be at his peak when we are pushing for top 4/Flag

5-Brandon Ellis: Grade B: Pot:A-/A: Was showing some top form before his recent injury. Like Conca, was criticized for his ball use. Heard nothing but praises for the kid. Is a workhorse and will only get better. Excited.

43:Todd Elton: Grade D+: Pot B: Hasn't shown anything special to worth mentioning. Still quite young, let's hope he shows some form.

41-Nathan Foley: Grade B: Pot:B+/A: Was touted as one of the top midfielders when he had a bad string of injuries. He's back and showing some form, yet not as explosive and consistent as before. Turning 28 this year. Might we have seen the best of him?

24- Ben Griffiths: Grade C+: Pot:B+: Had a few good games in the 1's last year and then struggled afterwards. Has a booming kick on him. Unsure of what to make of him just yet. Could potentially be a monster CHF.

6-Shaun Grigg: Grade: B-: Pot B+/A-: SHown he can play with the best 22 last year and shown some good form. Dropped off significantly this year and some have been calling for a drop from the team. Maybe a stint in the two's would be a kick up the bum for him.

2 -Dylan Grimes Grade B: Pot A/A+: Highly rated throughout Tigerland, has shown that he can be a killer defensive player. However, it's no secret that he is injury-prone and has rarely seen a string of games. Still young, lets hope he can get his body right and live up to the hype!

32- Brad Helbig- Grade C+: Pot: B: Shown some good from and shown that he can play with the best, a struggle with consistency has seen him in the 2's. Still young. Can improve

14 Bachar Houli: Grade B-: Pot: B+: Like Grigg, Houli shown excellent form last year and then struggled this year. Stint the byes might be the cure.

23- Dan Jackson: Grade B+: Pot A: Love him or hate him, he has been one of our most serviceable midfielders. His constant poor use of the ball keeps him from being an elite player. Improve his ball use and he would be there with Mitchell and Selwood.

28- Jake King :Grade B: Pot: B+/A: Has shown that he can turn a game on it's head by himself. Creates excitement around the club. They love him in the media. Has shown that he is in the best 22 recently. However, he is prone to go missing at sometimes. (Fell down an ant hole in the ground)

15- Chris Knights : Grade B: Pot: B+/A: Poor bloke just can't catch a break! Turned the comp on it's head back in 09 and a poor run of injuries saw him struggle to regain form, since. Was just starting to see form before his horror run of injuries continued. Out for the rest of the season. Let's hope he makes it back for next year.

22- Sam Lonergan: Grade C: Pot: B: Saw an elevation to the seniors after Knight's injury. Played against Essendon, his former club. Didn't show anything special until his brainfade in the back 50 resulting in a goal. Be delisted at the end of the reason, and he won't be able to say he is shocked either.

20- Ivan Maric- Grade B: Pot A: Again, showed some top form last year and was ranked in the top ruckman. Has struggled this year and a recent ankle injury won't help. Let's hope he shows some form.

4- Dustin Martin: Grade A-: Pot A/A+: Ha shown to be one of the elite midfielders when he has good form. Notorious for going missing in games. Only 22 this year, will be scary good when he finds consistancy and gets more fit. Excited!

16- Luke McGuane: Grade B: Pot B+: Has shown some good form this year. Been a revelation in some eyes. Still only 26, he can improve, but the recent dropping to the 2's is worrying.

34- Liam Mcbean: Grade C+: Pot A: Only reason I gave him a C+ was because I wasn't able to judge him at AFL level yet. Scary good in term of what he has shown. Been crying for a debut in the senior. Bodyframe suggests he would break. Needs to bulk up.

36- Matt McDonough: Rookie

33- Kamydn, Mcnintosh: Rookie

38- Steve Morris: Grade B: Pot:B+/A: Smart move by the Tigers in getting Morris. Shown that he is a great player that throws himself into everything. Nearing 25 so, more is yet to come I feel.

26- Robin Nahas: Grade C: Pot: B-: His recent performances will see him delisted at the end of the year. Could suggest a trade, yet I doubt would gain much interest.

1- Chris Newman: Grade A- Pot A/A+: Past Captain who lead us through a dark age and still shown some form. Is seen all over the ground, yet best work is in the backline. One of our older players, needs to show some leadership.

45- Brett O'Hanlon: Grade C: Pot: B: Haven't seen anything special about him. Still young, may improve with age.

13: Ricky Petterd: Grade C+: Pot: B: Dropped by the Dees at the end of last year and we snapped him up. Was questioned, but solid form was seen this year. Injury and consistency stop him from being a best 22.

18: Alex Rance: Grade B: Pot:A: Showed some terrific form last year and was ranked highly. Dropped off with his form, his ability to fall to his feet is astounding. Needs to learn to keep him feet.

8: Jack Riewoldt: Grade A: Pot: A+ : Two time Coleman medalists don't rarely pop up as 25 year old players, yet Jack is one of the best fowards in the comp. Many like to criticize, and say he doesn't do a lot and is focused on himself. Still top 3 for the coleman and recent form still shows that he is as consistent as ever.

37: Orren Stephenson: Grade B: Pot B+: Was brought in to fill in when Maric needed a rest of was injured. Shown he can be serviceable when required. 30 years of age don't suggest he will be around when we start seeing success, but will sufficient until McBean develops.

21: Shane Tuck: Grade B: Pot: A-/A: Shown that he is vital for the success of our midfield, which is a worry considering Tuck is 31 years of age. Injury prevents him from selection currently, but has shown signs of fatigue in recent games.

49- Steven Verrier: Rookie

29: Ty Vickery: Grade B: Pot A-: Has shown some good form recently up forward, but is highly inconstant. Still only 22 years of age, suggests that the best is yet to come.

31: Nick Vlastuin: Grade B+: Pot: A/A+: Wow. This kid has shown tremendous skill and has shown that he can match it at AFL as well. This Kid is special.

35:Matt White: Grade C: Pot C+: Can't crack the 22 barring injury and struggles for form once he is called up. Won't be surprised to see him gone at the end of the year.


This is a list that I feel is fair. For a team to be Flag contenders I feel a team should have at least 7-10, "A" grade players, followed by "B" grade players. "C" players shouldn't be getting a game unless absolutely required.

So far we have
3 players that are "A" type players on current form on the field
21 players in the "B" for current form
5 players I feel shouldn't have been playing.
17 players I feel could be "A" type players. Including those who already are at current from (See above).

Majority of the list is 25 and under. Means a lot of the the list can improve and replace the older players once they near their careers.

Many upsides for the list. I feel it will be a serious list in the next 3-4 years. I feel that this list will be celebrated as one of the greats.
 
What's stopping you from assessing the rookies? Pretty sure Darrou & Verrier have a played enough games for Coburg seniors by now.

And there's no way in hell we have 17 potential A graders - even Geelong wouldn't have that many.
 
Good job. Very positive with the potential stuff. Jackson and McGuane etc are probably where they are at with no potential upside. Jackson isn't suddenly going to get a football brain and start being creative with the footy.
McGuane showed us last week that his brain fades are always going to be there.
Those young blokes who knows??
Good read.
 
What's stopping you from assessing the rookies? Pretty sure Darrou & Verrier have a played enough games for Coburg seniors by now.

And there's no way in hell we have 17 potential A graders - even Geelong wouldn't have that many.

Don't see Coburn much these days. Games I have seen they haven't been seen doing anything worth a mention just yet. I really only pay attention to those vying for selection.

I graded the potential by how I see their over progression. If you read it again, I say that McBean, Grigg, Houli, Tuck, Jackson and King could all be A graders. We both know full and well that King and Jackson are probably not going to get their flaws right in the next year and become these A graders, but they have the potential too.
 

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Good read. I reckon if we dump a few of our bottom end players and pick up a few half decent guys it would help us going forward. There bad is crazy bad.
 
You rated McBean but not Mcdonough or McIntosh? Is this your opinion or the opinions of what you've seen on here?

McBean has shown that he is something to watch, therefore I watch him and have enough to give a review. Mcdonough and McIntosh haven't screamed for selection. As I said before, I have only rated those vying for selection atm.
 
Most list would have at least 20 players that could potentially become A graders, the problem is most players don't reach their potential. I think you've probably put a lot of players in the B category that are still in the C Category.
 
:thumbsu: because you've obviously put a lot of time into this. I think your ratings are pretty iffy though. Everyone's got their own grading system so I won't debate that, but you've got:

Trent Cotchin: Currently A-

Then you've got Newman, Tuck, Morris, Knights, King, Grigg, Jackson, Chaplin, Astbury and Batchelor as potential A- or A graders.

None of those guys will get anywhere near the level Cotch is at the moment.

Anyway here's my half arsed assessment:

Newman: grade C+/B-, pot B-. He's not getting any better.
Grimes: grade B/B+, pot A.
Deledio: grade A, pot A+
Martin: grade B+/A-, pot A+
Ellis: grade B-, pot A-
Grigg: grade C, pot C+
Dea: D to C-, pot B
Riewoldt: grade A, pot A+
Cotchin: grade A+, pot: some sort of demigod that just smites his opponents.
S.Edwards: grade B, pot B+
Batchelor: grade C, pot B+
Astbury: grade D, pot B
Pettard: grade D, pot D+
Houli: grade C+, pot B-
Knights: grade B-, pot B
McGuane: grade C-, pot C
Rance: grade B- to B, pot A-
Maric: grade B+, pot B+
Tuck: grade B, pot B
Lonergan: grade E, pot E
Jackson: grade C-, pot C+
Griffiths: D+/C-, pot A-
Chaplin: grade B, pot B+
Nahas: grade C-, pot C+
A.Edwards: grade C-, pot C
King: grade C+, pot B
Vickery: grade C+, pot A
Conca: grade B, pot A
Vlastuin: grade B-, pot A+
Helbig: grade D+, pot C+
McIntosh: Probably E to D atm. No idea about potential.
McBean: grade C- (?), potential: infinity
White: grade D, pot D+
McDonough: grade ???, pot ????
Stephensen: grade D+, pot D+
Morris: grade C+/B-, pot B
Derickx: grade E-, pot E--
Foley: grade B, pot B+/A- (grade is based on his current fitness)
Elton: grade D, pot B maybe?
Arnott: grade D, pot C+
O'Hanlon: grade D, pot C+

A - Gun player. Would get a game at every club.
B - Good quality player. Not a star though.
C - AFL standard. Wouldn't want to carry many of them though.
D - not currently up to AFL standard. Can't afford to carry any of these.
E - An absolute liability.
 
Dea: D to C-, pot B
Astbury: grade D, pot B
Griffiths: D+/C-, pot A-
Helbig: grade D+, pot C+
McIntosh: Probably E to D atm. No idea about potential.
Elton: grade D, pot B maybe?
Arnott: grade D, pot C+
O'Hanlon: grade D, pot C+


D - not currently up to AFL standard. Can't afford to carry any of these.

You would get rid of all of these?
 
Jackson on his best day is not near Selwood or Mitchell on on average day.

I'm not one that screams for him to be dropped either.

Newman is not going to improve at his age.

Enjoyed the read but I do think your a bit more positive than i am about the upside of quite a few.
 

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:thumbsu: because you've obviously put a lot of time into this. I think your ratings are pretty iffy though. Everyone's got their own grading system so I won't debate that, but you've got:

Trent Cotchin: Currently A-

Then you've got Newman, Tuck, Morris, Knights, King, Grigg, Jackson, Chaplin, Astbury and Batchelor as potential A- or A graders.

None of those guys will get anywhere near the level Cotch is at the moment.

Anyway here's my half arsed assessment:

Newman: grade C+/B-, pot B-. He's not getting any better.
Grimes: grade B/B+, pot A.
Deledio: grade A, pot A+
Martin: grade B+/A-, pot A+
Ellis: grade B-, pot A-
Grigg: grade C, pot C+
Dea: D to C-, pot B
Riewoldt: grade A, pot A+
Cotchin: grade A, pot: some sort of demigod that just smites his opponents.
S.Edwards: grade B, pot B+
Batchelor: grade C, pot B+
Astbury: grade D, pot B
Pettard: grade D, pot D+
Houli: grade C+, pot B-
Knights: grade B-, pot B
McGuane: grade C-, pot C
Rance: grade B- to B, pot A-
Maric: grade B+, pot B+
Tuck: grade B, pot B
Lonergan: grade E, pot E
Jackson: grade C-, pot C+
Griffiths: D+/C-, pot A-
Chaplin: grade B, pot B+
Nahas: grade C-, pot C+
A.Edwards: grade C-, pot C
King: grade C+, pot B
Vickery: grade C+, pot A
Conca: grade B, pot A
Vlastuin: grade B-, pot A+
Helbig: grade D+, pot C+
McIntosh: Probably E to D atm. No idea about potential.
McBean: grade C- (?), potential: infinity
White: grade D, pot D+
McDonough: grade ???, pot ????
Stephensen: grade D+, pot D+
Morris: grade C+/B-, pot B
Derickx: grade E-, pot E--
Foley: grade B, pot B+/A- (grade is based on his current fitness)
Elton: grade D, pot B maybe?
Arnott: grade D, pot C+
O'Hanlon: grade D, pot C+

A - Gun player. Would get a game at every club.
B - Good quality player. Not a star though.
C - AFL standard. Wouldn't want to carry many of them though.
D - not currently up to AFL standard. Can't afford to carry any of these.
E - An absolute liability.
Agree with pretty much all of that
 
You would get rid of all of these?

No, because they're young and will most likely improve from their current ranking. I'm just saying at the moment the team would struggle with a number of these guys in the side. It's the D graders with no/little potential that should be on the chopping block (White, Derickx, Petterd, Lonergan)
 
:thumbsu: because you've obviously put a lot of time into this. I think your ratings are pretty iffy though. Everyone's got their own grading system so I won't debate that, but you've got:

Trent Cotchin: Currently A-

Then you've got Newman, Tuck, Morris, Knights, King, Grigg, Jackson, Chaplin, Astbury and Batchelor as potential A- or A graders.

None of those guys will get anywhere near the level Cotch is at the moment.

None of them will get to the same level because none of them are Cotch!

I should have been more clear with my ratings, I do apologies. The way I have rated the players is mostly based on a standard week, or form we have seen in the past. Obviously the rookies and young players (majority of our list) are going on word and how they are rated through the club. I've put Tuck and Jackson as potential A graders, yet we all know that we won't see them their. At the top of their game, I would believe they would be A graders. Tuck still has some life, and I believe he could still put in a B+/A- effort, which is better than average. I said Jacko could be up there wit Selwood and Mitchell . No way n hell would that happen, but as I said, work on ball use and work-rate, he has to potential to match it with them.
 
Most list would have at least 20 players that could potentially become A graders, the problem is most players don't reach their potential. I think you've probably put a lot of players in the B category that are still in the C Category.


Most of the team that gets selected week in and week out, got B or higher. Only players that got lower were players that can't get a game, or shouldn't due to the fact that they are C graders. Agree with the potential A graders. Many won't become A grade players for whatever reason.
 

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I appreciate the OP's efforts but felt he may have overrated our list a little..


A little?
How about overrated our list a lot.
While I also appreciate the effort, an injection of reality might not hurt.
"C" means "satisfactory". As in comfortably AFL standard.
"B" means above average, then. If we had that many players above average we would not be in bloody 11th. We would be in fourth.
Honestly, if you rate Dan Jackson as B+ then you may need to steer clear of the whisky for a bit.
 
A very poor effort if I do say so myself. But I will defend with my life you're right to voice your opinion....................well not really, but you know what I mean:p
 
A little?
How about overrated our list a lot.
While I also appreciate the effort, an injection of reality might not hurt.
"C" means "satisfactory". As in comfortably AFL standard.
"B" means above average, then. If we had that many players above average we would not be in bloody 11th. We would be in fourth.
Honestly, if you rate Dan Jackson as B+ then you may need to steer clear of the whisky for a bit.
I was trying to be polite dude..
 

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