Autopsy Our midfield performance

[Purple Jesus]

We all know 2016 was a horrible year. These stats show just how horrible and also how 2015 was our best year yet. Full article here (https://thearcfooty.com/2016/12/11/how-much-do-midfields-improve-year-to-year/) but check out Freo. Attached.

Can't wait to see what adding Fyfe, Neale's continued rise, Bennel, B. Hill etc add in 2017.

 

[theGav56]

Not to mention adding Aaron Sandilands.

 

[M_rash]

Hopefully less turnovers across D50 results in less i50 for opposition too.

Four consecutive years of improved i50 ratio from 2012-2015, here's hoping 2016 was an anomaly.

 

[eastfreo75]

Sandilands, Fyfe, Neale and Mundy would be the best centre square midfield in the AFL. Add the Hill brothers we have the best primary midfield in the AFL. Our secondary midfield of Bennell, D Pearce Blakely, and some of the young guys is still pretty good.

Our issues are down back.

 

[Clems Knee]

We all know 2016 was a horrible year. These stats show just how horrible and also how 2015 was our best year yet. Full article here (https://thearcfooty.com/2016/12/11/how-much-do-midfields-improve-year-to-year/) but check out Freo. Attached.

Can't wait to see what adding Fyfe, Neale's continued rise, Bennel, B. Hill etc add in 2017.

Thanks for the article. I've had a play with the table but can't post shots like you have (not savvy enough).
I sorted for Freo and seasons, so I could see the improvement (or otherwise) over time.
From 1998 onwards the only significant changes in i50 ratio (over 0.1) were 2006 (+0.11 Prelim.), 2009 (-0.16 14th, Harvey's second full year, Sandilands first Doig, Hill's first year), 2012 (+0.15 7th, Lyon's first year, Crowley's Doig) and 2016 (-0.31, 16th, Neale's Doig)
For Contested possessions, the changes tend to be smaller, so I've looked at changes of 0.05 or more.
The positive changes were in 2003, 2012, and 2014 while the negative changes were in 2009, 2013 and 2016.

Aaron Sandilands had full seasons in 08,09,10,14 and 15. No real correlation there.
Nathan Fyfe had full seasons in 11, 13, 14 and 15. None there either. I was hoping for evidence that Sandilands and Fyfe would return and significantly improve our stats in this area.

Perhaps the changes could be due to both the quality and maturity of the midfields? Is there a way to correlate that?

 

[Taylor]

I wish there was a retained possession inside fifty stat. It would blow those Dangerfield shanks for a turnover off the chart and show that clearances aren't king as a pure stat.

 

[mattsea]

Glad you liked the post, cheers for linking back to it. I really like simple stats like this.

 

[theGav56]

Sandilands, Fyfe, Neale and Mundy would be the best centre square midfield in the AFL. Add the Hill brothers we have the best primary midfield in the AFL. Our secondary midfield of Bennell, D Pearce Blakely, and some of the young guys is still pretty good.

Our issues are down back.

You may be right, but Mundy had a fairly ordinary year, and at his age it is a bit of an unknown how the coming season will be. Form and impact can fall sharply. There may even be a decision to play him in the midfield less, and perhaps even more off the bench, as the club develops more of the young players.

I am expecting him to be a good contributor again after a full pre-season, and look forward to seeing him being as classy and influential as usual.

 

[theGav56]

Glad you liked the post, cheers for linking back to it. I really like simple stats like this.

Would love them to analyse the impact of ruckmen. APerhaps specialist tap ruckmen versus hybrid KPP/Rucks.

 

[DaveLister]

Glad you liked the post, cheers for linking back to it. I really like simple stats like this.

Thanks Matt

 

[mightymouse75]

Last year was an absoute train wreck. Injuries, game changes, new coaches, new coaching systems, new players.
It was an anomaly. Can't wait for 17 to be sbke ro wipe the blood away.

 

[eastfreo75]

Hopefully less turnovers across D50 results in less i50 for opposition too.

Four consecutive years of improved i50 ratio from 2012-2015, here's hoping 2016 was an anomaly.

I think that the lack of intercept marking inside defensive 50 (badly missing Johnson and Mcpharlin) and poor use of the ball resulted in repeat entries.

Turnovers from the defensive half killed us. We tried to play like Hawthorn but didn't have the skills or structure to pull it off.



On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Jezzitizle]

I think that the lack of intercept marking inside defensive 50 (badly missing Johnson and Mcpharlin) and poor use of the ball resulted in repeat entries.

Turnovers from the defensive half killed us. We tried to play like Hawthorn but didn't have the skills or structure to pull it off.



On iPad using BigFooty.com mobile app

Also having nothing to kick to.

Hopefully cam mac, tabs and apeness will give our midfield a bit more to kick to and make their job a bit easier this year.

 

[eastfreo75]

Also having nothing to kick to.

Hopefully cam mac, tabs and apeness will give our midfield a bit more to kick to and make their job a bit easier this year.

I agree, they had nothing to kick coming out the defensive 50. No structure.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

You may be right, but Mundy had a fairly ordinary year, and at his age it is a bit of an unknown how the coming season will be. Form and impact can fall sharply. There may even be a decision to play him in the midfield less, and perhaps even more off the bench, as the club develops more of the young players.

I am expecting him to be a good contributor again after a full pre-season, and look forward to seeing him being as classy and influential as usual.

We had the worst pre-season I can recall, in 2016; I sat there watching on in utter amazement at our lack of running and intensity. It was truly bizarre and to this day I am unable to rationalize our objectives.
Of all the players having a poor pre-season none had a worse preparation than Dave Mundy.
Dave was in and out of the rehab group, followed by injury which in turn was followed by more inactivity in rehab.
A late start to anything resembling Solid running took a heavy toll on Mundy ;
First half season played 2, missed 3, played 4, missed 1, played 2.

Dave Mundy needs to be cut some slack. He had a very poor pre-season in a team who had a poor pre as well.

2016 was an aberration.

 

[theGav56]

We had the worst pre-season I can recall, in 2016; I sat there watching on in utter amazement at our lack of running and intensity. It was truly bizarre and to this day I am unable to rationalize our objectives.
Of all the players having a poor pre-season none had a worse preparation than Dave Mundy.
Dave was in and out of the rehab group, followed by injury which in turn was followed by more inactivity in rehab.
A late start to anything resembling Solid running took a heavy toll on Mundy ;
First half season played 2, missed 3, played 4, missed 1, played 2.

Dave Mundy needs to be cut some slack. He had a very poor pre-season in a team who had a poor pre as well.

2016 was an aberration.

Agree with your comments about last year. Don't think he is sitting around hoping bf nuffies cut him any slack though. He is a professional and I am sure he'd be quite happy to be judged by what he does. Personally I think his role will change as others rise. He has flexibility and experience. Key player for us.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Agree with your comments about last year. Don't think he is sitting around hoping bf nuffies cut him any slack though. He is a professional and I am sure he'd be quite happy to be judged by what he does. Personally I think his role will change as others rise. He has flexibility and experience. Key player for us.

He is being subjected to crazy interviews though: that was my point about giving him slack.

 

[scon]

See his presser on the club site Fred.He's saying he's in the best nick for years.
Reckons he'll be on a combo/hybrid half back/midfielder role.
The wanky questionnaires don't bother him much I don't think.Stated immediately he voted for Nat.
I don't care whether him or Fyfe or someone else is the nominal leader;doesn't make any critical difference for mine.
Balic will be blooded and prolly a fixture as season progresses.

 

[freo_leo29]

Thanks Matt

Was wondering if anyone else on here used the AFL subreddit

 

[TheMcManusNose]

Glad you liked the post, cheers for linking back to it. I really like simple stats like this.

Cheers Matt

 

[M_rash]

See his presser on the club site Fred.He's saying he's in the best nick for years.
Reckons he'll be on a combo/hybrid half back/midfielder role.
The wanky questionnaires don't bother him much I don't think.Stated immediately he voted for Nat.
I don't care whether him or Fyfe or someone else is the nominal leader;doesn't make any critical difference for mine.
Balic will be blooded and prolly a fixture as season progresses.

Wouldn't it be great if both Harley's played 15+ games. I'll settle for 10+.... probably even 5 with a view to most games in 2018. Hope they can chop up this year

 

[igon value]

I wish there was a retained possession inside fifty stat. It would blow those Dangerfield shanks for a turnover off the chart and show that clearances aren't king as a pure stat.

Already shown:
http://www.rankingsoftware.com/research/MeasurementOfLuckInSport.pdf

What do you mean by 'retained possession' inside 50? That's basically determined by scores to inside 50s ratio, something we were surprisingly good at up until 2016. We were terrible at getting it inside 50 though, and our strong differential of inside 50s to opposition inside 50s was only because we limited the opposition.

For 2012-2015 the ball basically was possessed between the 50 metre arcs. Our strength in that area was as much reliant on MJ and Duffield's sound ball use as it was Fyfe and Sandilands.

I follow mattsea on twitter - only West Coast fan worth feeding. Wealth of analysis on footy blogs like Hurling People Now, Matter of Stats, etc. No one who loves footy has any reason to read the likes of Kim Hagdorn, the stuff available now from independent bloggers and statisticians is great.

 

[Taylor]

Already shown:
http://www.rankingsoftware.com/research/MeasurementOfLuckInSport.pdf

What do you mean by 'retained possession' inside 50? That's basically determined by scores to inside 50s ratio, something we were surprisingly good at up until 2016. We were terrible at getting it inside 50 though, and our strong differential of inside 50s to opposition inside 50s was only because we limited the opposition.

For 2012-2015 the ball basically was possessed between the 50 metre arcs. Our strength in that area was as much reliant on MJ and Duffield's sound ball use as it was Fyfe and Sandilands.

I follow mattsea on twitter - only West Coast fan worth feeding. Wealth of analysis on footy blogs like Hurling People Now, Matter of Stats, etc. No one who loves footy has any reason to read the likes of Kim Hagdorn, the stuff available now from independent bloggers and statisticians is great.

When I say retained possession I mean that a disposal results in the team still having possession of the ball. It is a very subtle technicality but part of disposal efficiency that isn't too widely distributed is that a kick 40m+ that isn't marked by an opponent is considered an effective disposal.

The kick 40m to dead space that rolls along the ground until the opposition pick it up is considered as effective as the lace out pass onto the chest right in front.

What I want is a stat that allows me to search which players have the highest 2nd retained possession %. That is, which players use the ball so well that the next player isn't under pressure and can execute their kick too.

 

[igon value]

When I say retained possession I mean that a disposal results in the team still having possession of the ball. It is a very subtle technicality but part of disposal efficiency that isn't too widely distributed is that a kick 40m+ that isn't marked by an opponent is considered an effective disposal.

The kick 40m to dead space that rolls along the ground until the opposition pick it up is considered as effective as the lace out pass onto the chest right in front.

What I want is a stat that allows me to search which players have the highest 2nd retained possession %. That is, which players use the ball so well that the next player isn't under pressure and can execute their kick too.

I would have thought marks inside 50 gave you that.

 

[Taylor]

I would have thought marks inside 50 gave you that.

No, I want specific players and I want the possession chain to start at the fullback line.

It would be a metric of making good choices more than having the skill to hit a target who then has nowhere to go.