Opinion Our most important sub?

[free at last]

With maca looking clearly out of form,underdone or game has passed him.

Come finals,I was thinking that SNOS probably becomes our most important player.

 

[Wizard]

Assume we have our best backline together, that include Dawson, Luke Mac, MJ and Ibbo.
If we have the unfortunate luck of Luke getting injured in a final i really dont think we will have too many issues covering. Ibbo can easily play that role as a third tall defender, not a concern for me and certainly wouldn't be wasting a sub for a "just in case".

 

[free at last]

Assume we have our best backline together, that include Dawson, Luke Mac, MJ and Ibbo.
If we have the unfortunate luck of Luke getting injured in a final i really dont think we will have too many issues covering. Ibbo can easily play that role as a third tall defender, not a concern for me and certainly wouldn't be wasting a sub for a "just in case".

Against Sydney?

 

[Wizard]

Against Sydney?

Yep. They can't play all three of them primarily inside the F50, one of them needs to get up to the wings and play that role.
They just rotate them around so Ibbo goes to the guy that goes further up the ground.

 

[Wizard]

I do see your point though.
The solution though if the match committe and fitness staff are so worried about him breaking down is that they just don't play him and we go with Silvagni over McPharlin.

 

[manpurple]

I do see your point though.
The solution though if the match committe and fitness staff are so worried about him breaking down is that they just don't play him and we go with Silvagni over McPharlin.

Whilst I rate SCOS, there is a big difference between him and Luke Mac. In the place of the selection committee I would take Luke any day he is fit.
Due to a poor effort this weekend just gone and against Norf, we can't afford to loose any games for the rest of the season. For this reason I am firmly in "pick the best team" camp. No point resting people for a match you don't make.

 

[free at last]

Whilst I rate SCOS, there is a big difference between him and Luke Mac. In the place of the selection committee I would take Luke any day he is fit.
Due to a poor effort this weekend just gone and against Norf, we can't afford to loose any games for the rest of the season. For this reason I am firmly in "pick the best team" camp. No point resting people for a match you don't make.

I'm not so sure there is a big difference between maca and SNOS.If maca continues to play like he did on the weekend,personally I'd take a fit SNOS
before maca now.

 

[Righteo]

McPharlin has always been one of those guys who need to work their way back into form over a number of game after coming back from injury, his disposal and decision making in particular are often really poor after a while out. Yeah I know he played against Melbourne but he didn't really need to do anything in that game and looked shitty with ball in hand regardless.

I don't believe that Luke is finished and that somebody can go from AA form to retiree in the space of a couple months pending serious injury, on that note though I definitely agree. We need Luke fully fit for September so any doubt or niggles should see Silvagni replace him. Gets a bit of an extended break now though and should be right for Carlton, big test with Waite and Henderson in form and Johnson in the same boat as him. Dawson will be pushing shit up hill until those two are their regular selves again.

 

[Wizard]

Whilst I rate SCOS, there is a big difference between him and Luke Mac. In the place of the selection committee I would take Luke any day he is fit.
Due to a poor effort this weekend just gone and against Norf, we can't afford to loose any games for the rest of the season. For this reason I am firmly in "pick the best team" camp. No point resting people for a match you don't make.

Thats not what i'm saying at all mate.
In short what i'm saying is that if we are so paranoid about Luke getting injured or if his risk factors are deemed too high to risk then the match committee need to make that call and not play him.

 

[Wizard]

McPharlin has always been one of those guys who need to work their way back into form over a number of game after coming back from injury, his disposal and decision making in particular are often really poor after a while out. Yeah I know he played against Melbourne but he didn't really need to do anything in that game and looked shitty with ball in hand regardless.

I don't believe that Luke is finished and that somebody can go from AA form to retiree in the space of a couple months pending serious injury, on that note though I definitely agree. We need Luke fully fit for September so any doubt or niggles should see Silvagni replace him. Gets a bit of an extended break now though and should be right for Carlton, big test with Waite and Henderson in form and Johnson in the same boat as him. Dawson will be pushing shit up hill until those two are their regular selves again.

His decision making and use by foot is shit on the best of days unfortunately.

 

[Freo Dr]

You cannot go into a game and especially a final with SNOS as the sub in case McPharlin cannot make it through. SNOS can really only play KPD and you risk lacking run in the second half.

McPhlarin needs to prove he can run a game out or you don't pick him. If he goes down in a game despite this you have to cover with what you have which will much easier if Ibbotson is also playing as said above.

 

[freoextra]

I don't believe that Luke is finished and that somebody can go from AA form to retiree in the space of a couple months pending serious injury, on that note though I definitely agree. We need Luke fully fit for September so any doubt or niggles should see Silvagni replace him. Gets a bit of an extended break now though and should be right for Carlton, big test with Waite and Henderson in form and Johnson in the same boat as him. Dawson will be pushing shit up hill until those two are their regular selves again.[/QUOTE]

I hope you are right and McPharlin comes back to being our key defender (has always done well on Buddy) but Dean Cox is a really good example of a player who has gone from hero to zero in a short period of time. I guess when the body goes it can be over.

 

[Allikat]

The sub should be someone that can work around the ground and have some impact on the game, not as a replacement for a single person in case they get injured. That's why Mora & de Boer did such a good job these last few games, and before that with Neale, Suban, Subcliffe doing the role. They all have the ability to float around the ground, put on some defensive pressure, run the mid, or attempt a goal.

If you're that worried about a player being injured that you're going to compromise the game if any other player goes down, then that player shouldn't be on the ground in the first place.

 

[Mezz]

Also, the sub can be required within the first 5 minutes of the match (a la Lukey Mac in the match against the Dons last year) so they must be fit too. You can't hide someone who is underdone in the sub's vest.

 

[strobe00]

His decision making and use by foot is shit on the best of days unfortunately.

Some folks on here seem to have short memories.

 

[Wizard]

Some folks on here seem to have short memories.

The guy has been an absolute superstar for the club and I still think he has a part to play when life gets serious over the next few weeks don't get me wrong.
But let's be honest, he is prone to the odd brain fade and hospital ball. Always has been.
Doesn't change the fact that he has had a super career and hopefully another 10 or so games to go.

 

[strobe00]

The guy has been an absolute superstar for the club and I still think he has a part to play when life gets serious over the next few weeks don't get me wrong.
But let's be honest, he is prone to the odd brain fade and hospital ball. Always has been.
Doesn't change the fact that he has had a super career and hopefully another 10 or so games to go.

Mcpharlin is usually one of our safest ball users. Has been for a fair while. Everyone serves up the odd hospital pass or has a Dawson.

Luke is one of the last I'd put in that category as a general rule. Must have had a horrible game for him to have suddenly fallen into that box.

 

[Wizard]

Mcpharlin is usually one of our safest ball users. Has been for a fair while. Everyone serves up the odd hospital pass or has a Dawson.

Luke is one of the last I'd put in that category as a general rule. Must have had a horrible game for him to have suddenly fallen into that box.

I have always thought it with him.
You can bookmark at least once each week a stupid decision from him, Zac or MJ will result in an elementary goal for the opposition.

 

[Nothing]

I have always thought it with him.
You can bookmark at least once each week a stupid decision from him, Zac or MJ will result in an elementary goal for the opposition.

You could say the same about every set of back 3 KPP players in the league.

 

[Wizard]

You could say the same about every set of back 3 KPP players in the league.

Probably, not really the point of this conversation though is it.

 

[strobe00]

I have always thought it with him.

To each their own. Could understand it if you'd said Dawson, or MJ even. Spurr is another. But Luke is usually pretty safe with the ball I thought.

I have always thought it with him.
You can bookmark at least once each week a stupid decision from him, Zac or MJ will result in an elementary goal for the opposition.

You certainly can if you lump all three of them together in a bunch. One of them will stuff up at some point. Stupid mistakes from midfielders or forwards don't often result in an elementary goal to the opposition, so it isn't really fair to single out our key defenders for a slap... especially when you consider the number of goals they stop (last week excepted).

Not sure what that statement really says about Luke in particular, except to make it very difficult to argue with the statement itself.

EDIT: What tants said.

 

[strobe00]

Probably, not really the point of this conversation though is it.

Sounds like it is to me.