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Our tall timber - the future is bright!

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Though champion midfielders and other running types are essential ingredients to a successful team, most teams live and die by their KPPs and ruckmen. These tall guys are who you build your team around, and the quality of your rucks and spine will dictate how you go in clearances as well as your ability to go down the corridor knowing you have strong guys there to provide targets or be the defensive rock.

I've taken a look at our KPPs and ruckmen, and it seems like we're in very good shape. Though we have a couple of blokes who are closer to the end of their careers than the beginning, I'm confident there's plenty of success this group of players will to bring to the club in future years.

I've listed such players at our club, ranked by their age. Stats are as of end of Round 20, 2007.

Code:
Name                Age     Games    Draft  Pick
Daniel Bradshaw      28       181    1995     56
Beau McDonald        27        91    1997     73
Jonathan Brown       25       137    1999     30 (F/S)
Jamie Charman        25       105    2000     29

Jason Roe            23        30    Rookie
Jared Brennan        23        57    2002      3
Joel Patfull         22        35    2005     56
Daniel Merrett       22        44    2002     30

Scott Clouston       20         0    Rookie
Cameron Wood         20        14    2004     18
Pat Garner           20         0    2004     27
Wayde Mills          19        14    2005     25
Mitchell Clark       19         9    2005      9
Matt Tyler           19         0    2006     54
Matthew Leuenberger  19         7    2006      4
Joel Tippett         18         0    Rookie
At the top, Bradshaw, Brown and Charman are bona fide stars, while Beau McDonald is a two time premiership player.

Then the next group of 22-23 year olds is interesting: Roe, Brennan, Patfull and Merrett. All four of them this year have put in some outstanding performances, and I'm confident they'll all go on to be regular AFL players for some years to come.

Then immediately below in the 18-20 year old bracket we have the majority of our KPPs and ruckmen. Some have shown exciting glimpses but all of them have heaps of upside. History though shows that not everybody will be able to realise their potential due to a variety of reasons.

In recent years, I think we've drafted tall players fairly well, with Spaanderman the only one who isn't with us any more.

The pleasing thing about our tall timber is that they're mostly at their prime or entering their prime (Bradshaw, Brown, Charman, Roe, Brennan, Patfull, Merrett - solid group there!), while our 18-20 year olds could be anything. It's exciting to think that while our spine is already pretty strong, they could get so much better in a few years.

Exciting times ahead!
 

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We are heading in the right direction, I can only see positives coming out of the next couple of years for our club.
 
You can't win a premiership without an excellent spine

Big forwards win you finals
Hasn't Sydney and West Coast won it the past couple of years. I wouldn't exactly call their spine excellent with each side having some average forwards and Backmen . Although Hall and Glass are A-Grade KPP.
 
Hasn't Sydney and West Coast won it the past couple of years. I wouldn't exactly call their spine excellent with each side having some average forwards and Backmen . Although Hall and Glass are A-Grade KPP.

With our gamestyle under Leigh Matthews, we won't win a premiership unless we have an excellent spine. :p
 

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Hasn't Sydney and West Coast won it the past couple of years. I wouldn't exactly call their spine excellent with each side having some average forwards and Backmen . Although Hall and Glass are A-Grade KPP.

i disagree

sydney had: barry, bolton, kirk/goodes, hall, o'loughlin

...while some of them are not your typical 'spine' types they are all genuine elite players in their own right

wc had: glass, hunter, kerr, hansen, lynch

...lynch is a trier at best but the rest of that spine is solid enough particularly with the m'field and ruck stocks they have

we are on track to have a very, very good KPP brigade over the next 3-5 years...the midfielders will come ;)
 
Lynch stood up in last years finals and gave the coasters that edge last year, Hall played terribly last year and the swans lose. Hall was fantastic in 2005 and the swannies won. Big forwards who provide a consistent target and contests are major factors in premiership wins. God Rocca nearly won the Pies a flag against us - but he didn't ha ha
 
Updated list post-Trade Week.

Code:
Name                Age     Games    Draft  Pick
Daniel Bradshaw      28       181    1995     56
Beau McDonald        27        91    1997     73
Jonathan Brown       25       139    1999     30 (F/S)
Jamie Charman        25       105    2000     29

Jason Roe            23        31    Rookie
Jared Brennan        23        59    2002      3
Joel Patfull         22        36    2005     56
Daniel Merrett       22        46    2002     30

Scott Clouston       20         0    Rookie
Pat Garner           20         0    2004     27
Wayde Mills          19        15    2005     25
Mitchell Clark       19        10    2005      9
Matt Tyler           19         0    2006     54
Matthew Leuenberger  19         9    2006      4
Joel Tippett         18         0    Rookie
 
Updated list post-Trade Week.

Code:
Name                Age     Games    Draft  Pick
Daniel Bradshaw      28       181    1995     56
Beau McDonald        27        91    1997     73
Jonathan Brown       25       139    1999     30 (F/S)
Jamie Charman        25       105    2000     29

Jason Roe            23        31    Rookie
Jared Brennan        23        59    2002      3
Joel Patfull         22        36    2005     56
Daniel Merrett       22        46    2002     30

Scott Clouston       20         0    Rookie
Pat Garner           20         0    2004     27
Wayde Mills          19        15    2005     25
Mitchell Clark       19        10    2005      9
Matt Tyler           19         0    2006     54
Matthew Leuenberger  19         9    2006      4
Joel Tippett         18         0    Rookie

Looking at that list, I think we should pat Leigh and co. on the back with the low cost backline solution. Our tall 3 defenders came via Rookie, pick 56 and pick 30 (failed forward/ruck). Excellent recruiting.
 

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Updated list post-National Draft.

Code:
Name                Age     Games    Draft  Pick
Daniel Bradshaw      28       181    1995     56
Beau McDonald        27        91    1997     73
Jonathan Brown       25       139    1999     30 (F/S)
Jamie Charman        25       105    2000     29

Jason Roe            23        31    Rookie
Jared Brennan        23        59    2002      3
Joel Patfull         22        36    2005     56
Daniel Merrett       22        46    2002     30

Scott Clouston       20         0    Rookie
Pat Garner*          20         0    2004     27
Wayde Mills          19        15    2005     25
Mitchell Clark       19        10    2005      9
Matt Tyler           19         0    2006     54
Matthew Leuenberger  19         9    2006      4
Joel Tippett         18         0    Rookie
Tom Collier          18         0    2007     25
Lachlan Henderson    18         0    2007      8

* Pat Garner is likely to be re-drafted in the Rookie Draft

I must say with the addition of Henderson and Collier, it looks much stronger than before. Maybe not just yet this year, but in a year or two we'll be looking at plenty of quality and quantity in our KPPs.
 
Geez, what a difference 2 years makes:

Still here:
Brown
Charman
Brennan (who's now a midfielder)
Merrett
Patfull
Clark
Leuenberger
Collier (who plays more as a tall runner)

New:
Fevola
Staker (sort of)
Maguire
Cornelius
McCulloch
Retzlaff

Gawn:
Bradshaw
McDonald
Roe
Clouston
Garner
Mills
Tyler
Tippett
Henderson

Of the 9 gone, 7 left in 2009, putting a big dent in our tall stocks. :eek:

Going by proportion of playing list, we're still 2-3 talls short. More alarmingly, there seem no replacements for Brown and Fevola anywhere on our list (apart from Clark, who's probably a better ruck/defender/winger than forward). We'll need to unearth them over the next couple of years, which is a massive task with compromised drafts and likely high finishing positions on the ladder.

BigCat2 said:
Maybe not just yet this year [2007], but in a year or two we'll be looking at plenty of quality and quantity in our KPPs.

This shows why I'm only an armchair expert. :D
 
We dont get a lot of our talls through high draft picks. I think we were smart to use our down years and high draft picks on some talls, but we usually do a decent job of finding them elsewhere. Problem is no matter how promising they look, you just dont know how KPP will turn out until you've put 2 or 3 years into them.

Most of our losses in KPP have been rookies who haven't developed, so we haven't really lost anything to our playing list except we have to start those development years over again.
 
I think we need to chase either Panos (even though his only 192cm) or Tighe on our rookie list if available. I heard (not sure where) that we are hoping to land Tighe.
 

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