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[moomba]

None of the clubs in CFG exist to serve Man City, I don't see why Chelseas would be any different.

It's just cry and stamp your feet scaremongering.

 

[SM]

None of the clubs in CFG exist to serve Man City, I don't see why Chelseas would be any different.

It's just cry and stamp your feet scaremongering.

That's strange, I could have sworn that City buy up the best talent from these other clubs and then sell on for big FFP profits on their own books. Certainly seems to be a benefit to Man City.

Would be rather odd to have a multi-club network and not use it to either farm out your youngsters for better loans than they would achieve elsewhere, or else to identify and easily buy young talent and transfer through the network. But then, it's not odd because that's what happens and is the intention behind the network.

Cue PMSL because some can't engage in a reasoned discussion.

 

[chef]

None of the clubs in CFG exist to serve Man City, I don't see why Chelseas would be any different.

It's just cry and stamp your feet scaremongering.

Really?

We are most definitely doing it to benefit our '1st' team. These clubs will be used to develop our academy gems, youf signings and a way to get around Englands work permit rules.

Its great for us but i also get why it'll make others upset.

 

[moomba]

That's strange, I could have sworn that City buy up the best talent from these other clubs and then sell on for big FFP profits on their own books. Certainly seems to be a benefit to Man City.


Would be rather odd to have a multi-club network and not use it to either farm out your youngsters for better loans than they would achieve elsewhere, or else to identify and easily buy young talent and transfer through the network. But then, it's not odd because that's what happens and is the intention behind the network.

Cue PMSL because some can't engage in a reasoned discussion.

You think the sole intention of our investment has been to make a big FFP profit on Aaron Mooy (who was a free agent IIRC) and Jack Harrison?

Both of whom we had every right to bid for whether we had a connection to their group or not?

Your post deserves a PMSL.

 

[SM]

Really?

We are most definitely doing it to benefit our '1st' team. These clubs will be used to develop our academy gems, youf signings and a way to get around Englands work permit rules.

Its great for us but i also get why it'll make others upset.

It's the same reason we're looking at buying an Irish club. To get around the UK work permit rules and get young talent into the club through much easier means. Also a place to send our kids to play competitive football. Great for Hull, shit for whichever club we buy that becomes a feeder to a bigger club.

 

[SM]

You think the sole intention of our investment has been to make a big FFP profit on Aaron Mooy (who was a free agent IIRC) and Jack Harrison?

Both of whom we had every right to bid for whether we had a connection to their group or not?

Your post deserves a PMSL.

Where did I say that?

If it deserves a PMSL it's because you're once again reading what you want to read. It's.. how do you say.. a strawman. Or did you not read the second paragraph?

How about Melbourne City's manager being plucked away and sent to Troyes (where it looks like it's gone pretty poorly)? How about the renaming and re-colouring of Melbourne Heart to align and conform with Manchester City's colours and name? The list goes on, but to sit there with a straight face and say that buying Melbourne City was in that club's best interests and not done to expand the talent pool and reach of Manchester City is pretty absurd.

 

[Zidane98]

None of the clubs in CFG exist to serve Man City, I don't see why Chelseas would be any different.

It's just cry and stamp your feet scaremongering.

Of course they do. They exist to transfer costs away from MCFC's balance sheet. Feed players to be sold at a profit. The main priority is MCFC across the entire group.

 

[RPCB]

Of course they do. They exist to transfer costs away from MCFC's balance sheet. Feed players to be sold at a profit. The main priority is MCFC across the entire group.

Manchester City really, really wanted to buy Aaron Mooy.

 

[moomba]

Of course they do. They exist to transfer costs away from MCFC's balance sheet. Feed players to be sold at a profit. The main priority is MCFC across the entire group.

What costs get transferred away from our balance sheet?

 

[SM]

Manchester City really, really wanted to buy Aaron Mooy.

I'd be curious if there's a single photo online of him in a Manchester City kit lol.

 

[RPCB]

I'd be curious if there's a single photo online of him in a Manchester City kit lol.

I made an error it would seem, City “signed him”. Oops.

 

[SM]

I made an error it would seem, City “signed him”. Oops.

Nah you were right, he wasn't a free agent. Melbourne City "agreed a deal" with Manchester City for his signing.

Melbourne City FC Player Update

Melbourne City FC can confirm it has agreed the transfer of Aaron Mooy to City Football Group sister club Manchester City FC, with the midfielder signing a three-year deal with the English Premier League outfit. Mooy, 25, joined Melbourne City...

melbournecityfc.com.au

They then promptly loaned him out to Huddersfield where he stayed for a few years, netting City a nice profit on a player they no doubt signed for close to nil.

 

[RPCB]

Nah you were right, he wasn't a free agent. Melbourne City "agreed a deal" with Manchester City for his signing.

Melbourne City FC Player Update

Melbourne City FC can confirm it has agreed the transfer of Aaron Mooy to City Football Group sister club Manchester City FC, with the midfielder signing a three-year deal with the English Premier League outfit. Mooy, 25, joined Melbourne City...

melbournecityfc.com.au

They then promptly loaned him out to Huddersfield where he stayed for a few years, netting City a nice profit on a player they no doubt signed for close to nil.

There we go then. Thanks mate!

 

[moomba]

Where did I say that?

If it deserves a PMSL it's because you're once again reading what you want to read. It's.. how do you say.. a strawman. Or did you not read the second paragraph?

How about Melbourne City's manager being plucked away and sent to Troyes (where it looks like it's gone pretty poorly)? How about the renaming and re-colouring of Melbourne Heart to align and conform with Manchester City's colours and name? The list goes on, but to sit there with a straight face and say that buying Melbourne City was in that club's best interests and not done to expand the talent pool and reach of Manchester City is pretty absurd.

The second paragraph where you say this

Would be rather odd to have a multi-club network and not use it to either farm out your youngsters for better loans than they would achieve elsewhere, or else to identify and easily buy young talent and transfer through the network. But then, it's not odd because that's what happens and is the intention behind the network.

It simply isn't the intention behind the network. And if it was its been a pretty spectacular failure.

Mooy was a free agent, we could have signed him whether Melbourne City was a part of CFG or not. We could have bought Harrison whether New York were part of CFG or not.

Surprisingly enough, any other club could have bought them as well, even if it was just to sell and make a profit.

CFG spent $100m buying the licence for New York City, and will spend close to a billion on a new stadium. Do you really think that's just so we can pick up a Jack Harrison (at market rate) every decade or so.

 

[moomba]

Nah you were right, he wasn't a free agent. Melbourne City "agreed a deal" with Manchester City for his signing.

Melbourne City FC Player Update

Melbourne City FC can confirm it has agreed the transfer of Aaron Mooy to City Football Group sister club Manchester City FC, with the midfielder signing a three-year deal with the English Premier League outfit. Mooy, 25, joined Melbourne City...

melbournecityfc.com.au

They then promptly loaned him out to Huddersfield where he stayed for a few years, netting City a nice profit on a player they no doubt signed for close to nil.

I'll stand corrected if he wasn't a free agent.

I wonder what his market value was at the time. Is the current A league transfer record (several years down the track) still around £1m?

 

[chef]

Maybe City is doing all their multi-club stuff just for more sportswashing purposes.

 

[SM]

The second paragraph where you say this



It simply isn't the intention behind the network. And if it was its been a pretty spectacular failure.

Mooy was a free agent, we could have signed him whether Melbourne City was a part of CFG or not. We could have bought Harrison whether New York were part of CFG or not.

Surprisingly enough, any other club could have bought them as well, even if it was just to sell and make a profit.

CFG spent $100m buying the licence for New York City, and will spend close to a billion on a new stadium. Do you really think that's just so we can pick up a Jack Harrison (at market rate) every decade or so.

Mooy was not a free agent, I posted the press release above. His transfer was agreed by Melbourne City to Manchester City. You might be thinking he is a free agent because he may well have been released from his Melbourne City contract, allowing him to sign with Manchester City for free.

No of course not and I didn't suggest that it was the sole reason, I said that it's to increase awareness of the City brand, to better monitor and track promising young players in different parts of the world, and ease the transfer process where that bears fruit. Could you explain what more logical reason there is for owning multiple clubs?

 

[Zidane98]

Nah you were right, he wasn't a free agent. Melbourne City "agreed a deal" with Manchester City for his signing.

Melbourne City FC Player Update

Melbourne City FC can confirm it has agreed the transfer of Aaron Mooy to City Football Group sister club Manchester City FC, with the midfielder signing a three-year deal with the English Premier League outfit. Mooy, 25, joined Melbourne City...

melbournecityfc.com.au

They then promptly loaned him out to Huddersfield where he stayed for a few years, netting City a nice profit on a player they no doubt signed for close to nil.

Must have been a difficult negotiation for that "deal".

 

[SM]

Mooy was signed on a free upon release from his Melbourne City contract - which is uncommon for foreign transfers, and is usually only done for Aus domestic transfers. He was sold to Hudd for 8m a year later.

In that same year that Mooy was sold, City 'bought' Harrison (undisclosed) and Diskerud (free transfer, like Mooy) from New York City, with Harrison immediately loaned to Boro in the same way Mooy was loaned to Huddersfield the year before. Diskerud also immediately loaned out.

The following year, Arzani was bought from Melbourne City, this time for an undisclosed fee rather than for free, and once again loaned out immediately, this time to Celtic. This transfer didn't work out as well as Mooy's although the intent was clearly the same. Meanwhile, Diskerud again loaned out, as well as Harrison after his loan at Boro didn't work out, this time moving to Leeds where he'd ultimately be sold for 13m, a far cry higher than the fee originally paid for him I'd wager, despite spending 3 seasons at Leeds on loan, and a further season at Boro. Diskerud was eventually sold to a Turkish club and this one seems a bit like Arzani's move.

While the successes have been few and far between, they're achieved at a relatively low cost, with Mooy's move virtually funding Melbourne City as a self-sustaining enterprise while simultaneously acting as a FFP benefit on Manchester City's books. Everyone wins.

To be clear, no one has said Manchester City are doing anything wrong through the rules as they stand, but to sit there and pretend that these multi-club set ups are done with the sole intent of benefitting each and every club that gets acquired into the network, and not to ultimately benefit the top club and the ownership group is rather silly.

No doubt Tillio is the next Aus talent the City Group are eyeing up, and it'll be interesting to see where he ends up.

 

[moomba]

Must have been a difficult negotiation for that "deal".

Perhaps Liverpool should have asked the question.

 

[SM]

Another example is Udinesi and Watford, with player sales helping Watford's FFP position regularly. That one stinks the most.

 

[moomba]

Mooy was not a free agent, I posted the press release above. His transfer was agreed by Melbourne City to Manchester City. You might be thinking he is a free agent because he may well have been released from his Melbourne City contract, allowing him to sign with Manchester City for free.

No of course not and I didn't suggest that it was the sole reason, I said that it's to increase awareness of the City brand, to better monitor and track promising young players in different parts of the world, and ease the transfer process where that bears fruit. Could you explain what more logical reason there is for owning multiple clubs?

The aim is to create successful clubs across the group. There are also financial benefits to all clubs in sharing football ops things, and commercial benefits in being able to do commercial deals across multiple countries and regions across the world.

That was the initial idea behind the sky blue brand, but I think that's fallen by the wayside a bit.

Id it was all about benefiting Man City, why do you think CFG are spending $780m on a New Stadium in New York. That's a hell of a lot of Jack Harrisons.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

The article wasn't directed at City really as they are well setup and have the financial backing to handle any problems.

Spree of buying clubs threatens football integrity

Investors assembling a portfolio of football clubs is changing football and existing regulation may not be enough to cope with the phenomenom of multi-club ownerships.

www.playthegame.org

 

[SM]

The aim is to create successful clubs across the group. There are also financial benefits to all clubs in sharing football ops things, and commercial benefits in being able to do commercial deals across multiple countries and regions across the world.

That was the initial idea behind the sky blue brand, but I think that's fallen by the wayside a bit.

Id it was all about benefiting Man City, why do you think CFG are spending $780m on a New Stadium in New York. That's a hell of a lot of Jack Harrisons.

I never said these set ups were done at the detriment of the child club. I'm sure if we do end up buying an Irish club we're going to invest in improving their infrastructure too. As you say, it's about improving the brand and reputation of the City Group across multiple regions. You'll notice that was one of the intentions I listed above.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

The aim is to create successful clubs across the group. There are also financial benefits to all clubs in sharing football ops things, and commercial benefits in being able to do commercial deals across multiple countries and regions across the world.

That was the initial idea behind the sky blue brand, but I think that's fallen by the wayside a bit.

Id it was all about benefiting Man City, why do you think CFG are spending $780m on a New Stadium in New York. That's a hell of a lot of Jack Harrisons.

How bizarre. Surprised it isn't funded with public money.