P*ssed off !

[Geonet]

It's this constant bickering between the Eagles and the Shockers fans that p*sses me off ! That was one of the reasons I stop posting in the now defunct Rivals net. We couldn't discuss anything about footy without their constant abuse in our forum. That's why I went from a shockers sympathizer to a frockers hater. Now I can't stand that club and quite frankly I don't think they should even exist. We were quite happy with only one team in WA until Kevin Sheedy decided to promote the idea of second team in this state. Not because he wanted to promote footy here, but because he hated the Eagles and wanted to screw us up. So that is all about Fremantle. A club that was imposed on us by people who were terrified by the idea of the Eagles dominance in the AFL. But the worst part is that the frockers lost 1.8 million dollares last year while we had 2.5 million dolars profit. Now since we both belong to the WAFC who is paying for the shockers players ? We are of course! The Eagles are paying for some of the Freo players and that is disgusting ! So I want a total separation from Fremantle because at the moment, both being under WAFC control, it's like the Liberal and the Labor parties being controlled by corporations who dictate the policies to them in a way that they look like opponents but in fact are just different faces of the same coin. Total separation will tell apart the men from the boys, that is, each club will have to survive by itself and if that happens I bet the shockers will go down the drain pretty soon. I don't know if you have noticed but I'm p*ssed off !

 

[jod23]

Couldnt agree more....i think most of the Freo fans are closet WC supporters anyway...they just cant stay away from our board.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Geonet
We were quite happy with only one team in WA until Kevin Sheedy decided to promote the idea of second team in this state. Not because he wanted to promote footy here, but because he hated the Eagles and wanted to screw us up.

I've heard this arguiement before, ans till to this day cannot understand it, in a national comp, how the hell can another side in the same state, with a national draft etc affect your beloved side?

A club that was imposed on us by people who were terrified by the idea of the Eagles dominance in the AFL. But the worst part is that the frockers lost 1.8 million dollares last year while we had 2.5 million dolars profit. Now since we both belong to the WAFC who is paying for the shockers players ?

Now that is laughable, seriously.

You think that Fremantle wants a part of being owned by the WAFc - Freo are the team actually _doing_ something about removing ourselves from that structure, via the Freo MOB (members Own Board - www.freomob.com) what has your side, or supporters ever done to actually remove yourself from it?

Might I also add, my tax dollars paid for the saving of your club in the late 80's early 90's when the independent owners indian pacific went under - so please dont whine about Freo posting a loss and you paying for it, that is seriously a joke.

Total separation will tell apart the men from the boys, that is, each club will have to survive by itself and if that happens I bet the shockers will go down the drain pretty soon. I don't know if you have noticed but I'm p*ssed off !

That is also pretty peurile in my very humble opinion, the support for freo is there, both coperate and 'man on the street' - as an example the practice match we played at Freo oval, has as many supporters there as the wizard cup semi's - 10,000 + ... hardly the sign of a club about to fold.

Whilst the mutual dislike of each others clubs are certainly strong, lets try and inject some sembelence of balance and realism into our short sighted rants shall we?

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by jod23
Couldnt agree more....i think most of the Freo fans are closet WC supporters anyway...they just cant stay away from our board.

Dammit, Im srpung - go benny go!

*sigh*

 

[Geonet]

I've heard this arguiement before, ans till to this day cannot understand it, in a national comp, how the hell can another side in the same state, with a national draft etc affect your beloved side?

Of course you understand ! You're just pretending ignorance. Besides, your "brother" Kuep, once said in the Rivals net that the Eagles never won anything after Fremantle was created. What do you thing that meant ? That you are indirectly responsible for our club being less competive in the last few years ? At the time I strongly disagreed with that assumption but now I'm not so sure! Perhaps your club was after all designed to weaken us. And I mean weaken in terms of players not in spirit because in that respect we are still one of the strongest teams in the AFL.

Anyway I think that you could get a more detailed answer if you asked a few questions to "Freo FC" God Father, Mr. Sheedy. Ask him why was he so keen to see a second team in WA ? Is it because he knew that our state could accomodate an extremelly competitive team but not two ? Was he aware that WA, though a footy state, isn't as crazy about football as SA and VIC ? Did he know that great players from WA returning home, would be shared by two clubs rather than one, which meant two weaker teams rather than one very strong that could beat the crap out of all other teams ? Who knows what he and others though but they surely saw something, otherwise they wouldn't be so keen to create a second team in Western Australia.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Geonet
Of course you understand ! You're just pretending ignorance.

Ok, humour me - I ask again, how in the case of a national draft and a national equal comp another side in the same state make one iota of diffeence - hey, im stupid, explain it real slow for me.

Besides, your "brother" Kuep, once said in the Rivals net that the Eagles never won anything after Fremantle was created. What do you thing that meant ?

Whilst I honestly have no recollection of that event, I may well have done so - but all I would have meant is compare apples with apples - yes, you won 2 premierships, and well done for those - I have _never_ taken anything away from any side for doing so, especially the first interstate side to do so - all I was referring to is the constant reference to them, and all I asked is how many times you have won the comp since Freo's admittance ... no the evnts are in now way related, and no, Freo has NO part - if anything we have assisted by being your bunnnies in the last few years - I admit our record against you sucks, so I ask again, what is your point? All I would have been referring to is in the last 7 eras, since Freo has been in the comp, the premiership tally is a draw, nil a piece - thats it ... nothing more, nothing less.

Perhaps your club was after all designed to weaken us. And I mean weaken in terms of players not in spirit because in that respect we are still one of the strongest teams in the AFL.

3rd time lucky - how?

There is a draft - the only thing that has weakened you, is the lack of AFL concessions granted in the 90/91 era (even after making a GF of all things) all I ask is you, real slow for an idiot like me, explain HOW this could be the case.

Anyway I think that you could get a more detailed answer if you asked a few questions to "Freo FC" God Father, Mr. Sheedy. Ask him why was he so keen to see a second team in WA ? Is it because he knew that our state could accomodate an extremelly competitive team but not two ? Was he aware that WA, though a footy state, isn't as crazy about football as SA and VIC ? Did he know that great players from WA returning home, would be shared by two clubs rather than one, which meant two weaker teams rather than one very strong that could beat the crap out of all other teams ? Who knows what he and others though but they surely saw something, otherwise they wouldn't be so keen to create a second team in Western Australia.

Make sure you check under the bed before you goto sleep champ, you never know where those communists are hiding.

Seriously, if you genuinely believe the above, I ask for you to substantiate how this effect could have occurred, I am very interested to know - so please - justify the above in a factual way, not the inane bleatings of a paranoid man.

Cheers.

 

[FreoDocker]

Originally posted by Geonet
It's this constant bickering between the Eagles and the Shockers fans that p*sses me off ! That was one of the reasons I stop posting in the now defunct Rivals net. We couldn't discuss anything about footy without their constant abuse in our forum. That's why I went from a shockers sympathizer to a frockers hater. Now I can't stand that club and quite frankly I don't think they should even exist. We were quite happy with only one team in WA until Kevin Sheedy decided to promote the idea of second team in this state. Not because he wanted to promote footy here, but because he hated the Eagles and wanted to screw us up. So that is all about Fremantle. A club that was imposed on us by people who were terrified by the idea of the Eagles dominance in the AFL. But the worst part is that the frockers lost 1.8 million dollares last year while we had 2.5 million dolars profit. Now since we both belong to the WAFC who is paying for the shockers players ? We are of course! The Eagles are paying for some of the Freo players and that is disgusting ! So I want a total separation from Fremantle because at the moment, both being under WAFC control, it's like the Liberal and the Labor parties being controlled by corporations who dictate the policies to them in a way that they look like opponents but in fact are just different faces of the same coin. Total separation will tell apart the men from the boys, that is, each club will have to survive by itself and if that happens I bet the shockers will go down the drain pretty soon. I don't know if you have noticed but I'm p*ssed off !

Mate you’re a hypocrite - plain and simple
You say your pissed off at the bickering between eagles and Dockers fans, so what do you do - make a provocative post that will add to Dockers supporters getting pissed off at you !!!

But I can see past this to what your trying to say.........
All I want to see happen this year is the eagles and the Dockers to move up the ladder in the aim to make the finals in a few years.
But in saying this, being a true Dockers supporter, while this is happening I'd love to see the Dockers whip the eagles in each of the derbies.
But all in all more success for the clubs in WA means more money for grass roots footy in WA and I think that is in the best interests of both the the eagles and the Dockers.

 

[Geonet]

Wow ! Is that the best you can do ? Substantiate this substantiate that and that the Dockers are as "successful" as the Eagles because in the last seven years we both didn't win a premiership ? This kind of reasoning is too ridiculous to deserve a reply !

 

[FreoDocker]

Originally posted by Geonet
Wow ! Is that the best you can do ? Substantiate this substantiate that and that the Dockers are as "successful" as the Eagles because in the last seven years we both didn't win a premiership ? This kind of reasoning is too ridiculous to deserve a reply !

I'm far from trying to say that the dockers are as successful as the eagles, all you would have to do is look at the teams specific records over the years.
The point I'm trying to get across is that success for the two WA teams in the future can only be good for WA footy. After all what would be better than seeing an Dockers v Eagles grandfinal at subiaco oval.
Though that might be wishful thinking, future success for the dockers and eagles in the short term would inject some much needed funds into grass roots footy in WA. Granted at the present time the eagles have been able to make significant profits. But I think thats granted that the majority of WA supported the eagles when they came into the comp in 1987, where as in 1995 it would have been alot harder for the dockers to attract members who were loyally devoted to WA.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Geonet
Wow ! Is that the best you can do ?

Hell no, why waste my good material on a dead arguement like this - until you put up some facts, why would I bother?

Substantiate this substantiate that...

Well sorry for asking you to explain your ludicrous statements - look I can play too you know, here's an example, of how one can make a silly comment:

Ever since the introduction into the West Coast side of Ben Cousins in 1996, you side has got progressively worse, therefor he is the cause of your problems and should get rid of him.

Please dont ask me to justify this, as it is clearly true and you aint worth it.

Fun isnt it?

and that the Dockers are as "successful" as the Eagles because in the last seven years we both didn't win a premiership ? This kind of reasoning is too ridiculous to deserve a reply !

Well we play t win premierships last time I checked, so at the end of the day, I guess we are ... but no, I dont believe that - unless you also have some great theory on really how sides should be jusdged?

However, I will take the above as an admission, that you have no factual evidence to support your ranting above, and thus resort to picking out the smallest of points, which isnt even relevant to your initial comment, as a means for trying to justify your lack of response.

Please, for your own sake, think about the ridiculous notions you have posted above, and realise that it is factually, and statistically, completely ridiculous and impossible that in a national draft focused, even AFL competitoion, it doesnt matter if there are 16 teams all from WA, or 15 from Victoria and one from here - if you cant see, and understand that ... and realise the introduction of Freo has, and simply cannot, affect the results of your side, then I feel for you, seriously.

 

[Geonet]

Mate you’re a hypocrite - plain and simple You say your pissed off at the bickering between eagles and Dockers fans, so what do you do - make a provocative post that will add to Dockers supporters getting pissed off at you !!!

I can be a lot of things but hypocrite I'm not. That's why I was so frontal. I just said what I think about the dockers at the moment. Because we all know how happy many of you all are with this so called "drugs shock". We all know how much you bunch dislike the Eagles. In fact I said in public exactly what many other Eagles supporters say in private conversations and that is that they would be pleased if we returned to a one club only in this state. Last year when both our clubs were at their worst some even talked about a future merger. I have to be honest. I am against a merger. I'd rather prefer the Eagles were the sole survivors if the worst came to the worst.

By the way you replied to a post that was directed to Kuepper who keeps telling us to substantiate this and that and want us to believe the Dockers are as successful as the Eagles. Now I know that your are one of the rare Dockers fans who doesn't seem to hate the Eagles and in fact believe two teams are good for our state. I don't think that's the case of most Dockers fans. Most would dance on the streets if the Eagles went bust! And to be honest I also couldn't care less if Freo FC went down just like Fitzroy. I strongly believe the ideal number of AFL clubs in WA is one.

 

[Voice of Reason]

"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"Fcuk off!"

"I was only asking if this was the right room for an argument?"

"Oh, sorry, this is Abuse. Argument is just down the hall to the left on the Dockers board."

"Thank you"

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Geonet
Because we all know how happy many of you all are with this so called "drugs shock".

Happy? could care less truth be told, I have heard the rumours, prevously, who cares?

I can, however, tell you exactly what both Phillip Read and Benny boy got upto at high school at Wesley if you a like, a very good mate was in their year, and is still mates with them both ... but a messageboard like this, in the current climate especially, it isnt going to help anyone - but happy? you are a paranoid little fella aint ya?

We all know how much you bunch dislike the Eagles.

Yes, sure - I also dislike 14 other sides, just they dont get rammed down my throat by the media here now do they?

In fact I said in public exactly what many other Eagles supporters say in private conversations and that is that they would be pleased if we returned to a one club only in this state.

Keep dreamin' buddy, it will never happen, simple as that.

Last year when both our clubs were at their worst some even talked about a future merger. I have to be honest. I am against a merger. I'd rather prefer the Eagles were the sole survivors if the worst came to the worst.

Yes, and Kevin SHeedy talked about martians, and both are as likely to be seen in my lifetime ... you cant truely believe this can you?

Most would dance on the streets if the Eagles went bust! And to be honest I also couldn't care less if Freo FC went down just like Fitzroy.

I see, so I guess, as stated above, that makes you a hypocrite.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Voice of Reason
"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"Fcuk off!"

"I was only asking if this was the right room for an argument?"

"Oh, sorry, this is Abuse. Argument is just down the hall to the left on the Dockers board."

"Thank you"

Ahhh, now quoting some Monty Python for our enjoyment - you really do want the coveted 'post of the year' title now dont you.

Quality stuff, touché!

 

[mantis]

I know I will get my head bitten off for this, but don't you think that maybe during the Malthouse era, he was only caring about success at the time & wasn't planning for the future, so your recruiting for a number of years was almost non existent.

I believe this is why the Eagles are in a slump now, but hopefully the young players you have recruited in the last couple of years will start paying off.

Think it is a bit mean to blame outside influences for your Clubs bad recruiting for a number of years.

OK I have donned my flame proof suit & am in the bunker, let rip.

 

[Geonet]

Kuepper, sophistry is the game of people with great intelectual skills and your talking about statistics doesn't make you smart. You also don't prove you are right when you demand others to elaborate and they don't follow your conditions. You don't make the rules and the mentioning of words like "ridiculous" and "impossible" leads me to believe about your limited discernment over matters that seemed to be carefully analysed by the patrons of your club outside WA. So don't expect a mathematics symposium to define the probabilities of success of one or two teams. But if you're so keen to prove that I am wrong please be my guest. Give me the numbers, the statistics that is! And don't be afraid to spell the numbers in detail that prove me wrong because I'm not bad at maths. In conclusion not only you don't impress me but I also concede nothing to you. Any other adjectives you use to prop up your cause will be treated as trivial babble.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Originally posted by mantis
I know I will get my head bitten off for this, but don't you think that maybe during the Malthouse era, he was only caring about success at the time & wasn't planning for the future, so your recruiting for a number of years was almost non existent.

We recruited. We recruited nothing but crap, but we still recruited.

But we got a new recruiting manager a few years ago, and it's been a fair bit better since then.

That thrashing we gave your Bummers last week was only the begining.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
We recruited. We recruited nothing but crap, but we still recruited.

But we got a new recruiting manager a few years ago, and it's been a fair bit better since then.

That thrashing we gave your Bummers last week was only the begining.

Wow so you agree with me, that until a couple of years ago your recruiting sucked & that is why you went in a slump, not a conspiracy like your mate Geonet is suggesting.

I am glad you are getting enjoyment from beating the mighty Bombers in a practice match, we are a thoughtful Club, we like to give the weaker Clubs a glimmer of hope, until the Real season starts.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Originally posted by Voice of Reason
"Is this the right room for an argument?"

"Fcuk off!"

"I was only asking if this was the right room for an argument?"

"Oh, sorry, this is Abuse. Argument is just down the hall to the left on the Dockers board."

"Thank you"

Ahhh memories. I actually heard that one repeated on 94.5 a few days ago on the five o'clock funnies.

Yes I listen to 94.5 on the way home. So shoot me.

 

[FreoDocker]

Originally posted by Geonet


I can be a lot of things but hypocrite I'm not. That's why I was so frontal. I just said what I think about the dockers at the moment. Because we all know how happy many of you all are with this so called "drugs shock". We all know how much you bunch dislike the Eagles. In fact I said in public exactly what many other Eagles supporters say in private conversations and that is that they would be pleased if we returned to a one club only in this state. Last year when both our clubs were at their worst some even talked about a future merger. I have to be honest. I am against a merger. I'd rather prefer the Eagles were the sole survivors if the worst came to the worst.

By the way you replied to a post that was directed to Kuepper who keeps telling us to substantiate this and that and want us to believe the Dockers are as successful as the Eagles. Now I know that your are one of the rare Dockers fans who doesn't seem to hate the Eagles and in fact believe two teams are good for our state. I don't think that's the case of most Dockers fans. Most would dance on the streets if the Eagles went bust! And to be honest I also couldn't care less if Freo FC went down just like Fitzroy. I strongly believe the ideal number of AFL clubs in WA is one.

Yeh thats fair enough
But I don't really agree with you all that much on the subject of having 1 WA team. Sure it would serve the purpose of that club becoming stronger, I think that almost goes without saying. But in looking at it that way, dockers fans could just as well put up the argument that the dockers should be the sole team from WA and not the eagles. I guess you've gotta ask the question, if the eagles weren't in the competition, would the eagles fans still follow football or the sole WA, the dockers for that matter and vice versa if the dockers were dissolved. You ask any supporter of any club in the league that their club should be dissolved or relocated and most fans will get pretty pissed off.
My main idea is that there is room in WA for 2 AFL teams but supporters of the eagles and dockers alike should aim higher than squabbling over who is going to win the durby and finish 13th instead of 14th.

PS I'm a big supporter of State of Origin
What do the other eagles and dockers fans think of it?

 

[masai]

Hey Geonet I've come into this late, but supporters of both teams say some pretty irrational things on these boards, alot of times to stir others up. Alot of posters are at fault and before you hit the keyboard take a deep breath and really read the text before you walk into an ambush.

That said, I like a good footy discussion about both teams, as if we're sitting in the outer. Take the good with the bad, but remember there are 14 other teams to keep an eye on. I sometimes think we get to incestuous and loose site of the other teams.

Your intentions may have been good, but Geonet just fueled the fire you've had a go at others for stoking.

Another thing, if you have to put people down by swearing on these boards, you've lost the debate. That's not to Geonet, just posters in general.

 

[Geonet]

Wow so you agree with me, that until a couple of years ago your recruiting sucked & that is why you went in a slump, not a conspiracy like your mate Geonet is suggesting.

Mantis, I don't deal with conspiracies. It is just something that has been often mentioned in footy circles. In fact I was surprised myself when I first heard about the matter because I initially believed the idea of a second team in this state had its origins in WA. But it seems it was not.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Geonet


Mantis, I don't deal with conspiracies. It is just something that has been often mentioned in footy circles. In fact I was surprised myself when I first heard about the matter because I initially believed the idea of a second team in this state had its origins in WA. But it seems it was not.

So are you saying that the Eagles slump is beccause of outside factors & no blame at all on the Eagles heirarchy over recruiting.

I hope the Club doesn't feel that way, because if they do you are in for a bad time, you had problems in your club like all clubs, you have to look at administration, recruiting & even team selections, you can't blame the woes of your club on someone else.

The Bombers went through a bad slump from 1986, got rid of too many people at once & we suffered, the club was to blame pure & simple.

I want you guys to start doing well again so we can have the rivalry back from the 90's.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Hey, I wasn't taking sides with anyone.
I just commented on the recruiting during the mid-nineties.

 

[Geonet]

So are you saying that the Eagles slump is beccause of outside factors & no blame at all on the Eagles heirarchy over recruiting.

Everything that happens to you is about inside and outside factors. So of course there were outside factors. There always is!It is just difficult to know if outside factors cause problems or not and it's always an issue open for discussion. So I'm not so sure it was poor recruiting. We just had to recruit what we had available given the fact that we made the finals 10 years in a row. And teams that finish high in the ladder for so long, can't pick the best players in the draft. The best ones have already been picked by another club that finished behind us. But the main factor was the hiring of a really bad coach and then there was also the difficulty to attract good players out of contract, specially the ones that wanted to return home. Now imagine the best Freo players plus the best Eagles players with Woosha as the coach. They would make a fantastic team capable of fighting for another premiership. But of course this is all about my opinion and I stick to it.