Palmer

[eays]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

 

[want2spoodge_pettifer]

jesus christ. cotchin hasn't even had a chance yet. pipe down

 

[eays]

all i am saying is how much better can he possibly be? Palmer has already had 17 possessions in the first half of his second game. Simple question is, why didnt we go the safe option and draft Palmer since we are trying to rebuild our club.

 

[JSFish]

Lots of teams didn't draft Palmer. Why is it always us that cops it?????

 

[eays]

because we had 2nd pick - you couldnt go past kreuzer at #1, then it was open

 

[Invigoration]

Jesus what an idiot... Seriously, Palmer is playing his second game, hardly worth writing his name in stone as a superstar just yet.

If Freo had pick #2 they would have taken Cotchin as well, and rightfully so, the kid is a bloody freak... Huge potential.

Wtf is the 'safe option' sh*t as well? No-one at draft time would have considerrf Palmer a safer option then Cotchin, give him some time, bookmark this thread and come back in a few years and look at it.
Cotchin is class, brownlow material IMO... Palmer is a numbers accumulator, works his butt off but doesn't have the class Cotch does.


Anyways sorry to crash the thread, just think it is a bit premature to be jumping off the boat of your #2 draft pick

 

[_RT_]

jesus christ. cotchin hasn't even had a chance yet. pipe down

Exactly, people who start threads criticising Cotchin as a draft error before even playing a game should be banned.

 

[JSFish]

Whoever came second was more than likely going to take Cotchin, if not Morton. And tell me why West Coast at 3 passed him up, then Melbourne at 4, and then the Bulldogs at 5 and the Bombers at 6. Clearly these 5 clubs and their recruiting staff wouldn't have any idea though.

 

[Invigoration]

Just some food for thought for the idiot that started this thread;
This is from Wiseby, who is usually a pretty bloody good judge of potential

I ranked Ebert at 9, Selwood at 16, Palmer at 31.

Palmer is a ball magnet and dangerous around goals but, otherwise, kicking is mixed bag. Although left-footed, seems to be right-handed as he often awkwardly squeezes out a right-hand feed when left-hand should be used. (Occasionally uses left hand but it doesn't seem natural to him). Finds plenty of ball, including in-close, but way too often tries to do too much and won't get away with that at AFL. Top-age, not reliably clean, unaccountable, and pace isn't flash.

Terrific U18 & WAFL form in '07 and likely to look quite promising in his early days at AFL but I suspect his flaws will subsequently get exposed and exploited. Palmer pushes himself hard and often but, AFL-wise, I see him as more workhorse than class. I rate (eg)Cotchin, Myer, Masten, Veszpremi and Ebert much more highly.

Ebert is not outstanding in any specific skill or athletic attribute but is a great package and 100% footballer. And very bottom-age. The only players I ranked ahead of Ebert were

1 Cotchin
2 Kreuzer
3 Myers
4 Masten
5 Rioli
6 Veszpremi
7 Henderson
8 Maric.

Scott Selwood is a poor man's version of Joel. (I mean that as a compliment).

I think that is obviously from a few months before the draft, but he ranked Palmer significantly lower than Cotchin

I think it is obvious who the 'safe option' was

 

[eays]

IMO a kid who racks up possession after possession, kicks goals and generally dominates at carnival level is a much safer option than a kid who got tagged out of the game in one match and whose other matches still werent as good as Palmers.

In any case, Palmer (and Masten) are what i call safer bets in that they are extremely likely to becomes very good players. Cotchin may well exceed them, but he may also end up being nothing more than a pettifer type half forward. Probably the biggest issue with this club over the last 20 years has been our lack of quality midfielders (even more important in the "modern game" of the last 3-5 years). So how we can pass on genuine and safer mid's is staggering to me.

In any case, all that aside, i am not actually knocking Cotchin at all. What i am saying is that Palmer is setting the bar very high. Lets hope it isnt another recruiting error by us.

 

[eays]

Just some food for thought for the idiot that started this thread;
This is from Wiseby, who is usually a pretty bloody good judge of potential



I think that is obviously from a few months before the draft, but he ranked Palmer significantly lower than Cotchin

I think it is obvious who the 'safe option' was

In response to the idiot who quoted this, dont you think carnival results should be taken into account as well? Also, what about the importance of work ethic. Fact that Palmer has it means he is well on the way to becoming a gun at AFL level. You would think Foley is the perfect example. Not the most talented but has simply worked so hard he is fast becoming an elite.

I'll take runs on the board when trying to rebuild a club any day as the first priority.

Still though, lets hope Cotchin becomes a gun and proves our recruiters right.

 

[Invigoration]

In response to the idiot who quoted this, dont you think carnival results should be taken into account as well? Also, what about the importance of work ethic. Fact that Palmer has it means he is well on the way to becoming a gun at AFL level. You would think Foley is the perfect example. Not the most talented but has simply worked so hard he is fast becoming an elite.

I'll take runs on the board when trying to rebuild a club any day as the first priority.

Still though, lets hope Cotchin becomes a gun and proves our recruiters right.

I don't think the 6 clubs that had picks before Freo even considered the Carnival results, you are spot on.
I don't know what they were thinking, to be honest I'm not even sure they have seen Cotchin and Palmer play in person like you!! I reckon they just get paid to sit in their offices, and then when it comes to draft day they just took a stab in the dark LOLZ!!!@@! They are n00bz!

Palmer has played 2 games of AFL, he is clearly the best player ever and should have been the number 1 draft pick, Richmond should have known Cotchin would get injured!

...

Seriously though, Palmer has work ethic so he is well on his way to becoming an AFL star? Wtf? You're just having a joke right?
Cotchin has an amazing work ethic and commitment, so what is your point?

You are implying Cotchin didn't have runs on the board and was just a completely smokey? What a load of sh*t... Cotchin was the best player in the TAC in my opinion (Blues only took Kreuzer before him to fix problem holes, after having picked up Gibbs and Murphy they didn't need a midfielder) and in the majority of everyone elses opinion too. He also dominated the games in played in the AGSV, and was easily PEGS best player.
ONE bad carnival game, where he was blatantly tagged out of the game, which is rare to be done in an U/18's game, and suddenly he doesn't have runs on the board and is unproven?

You are clearly one who goes solely off stats, and you love the fact Palmer got 25 touches in the Carnival, that instantly means he is a better player? Of course the recruiter's took the Carnival performances into account you muppet, it is their job... But you're saying 6 clubs didn't take it into account, and have all stuffed up the choice they made?
Melbourne is rebuilding as well, it didn't choose Palmer?

Clear facts are, if ANY club had the choice, they would have taken Cotchin over Palmer... Simple... You can't help what happens down the track, Palmer may turn out to be better, but this doesn't mean your recruiters didn't make the right choice... It's just the luck of the draft.

Anyways I'm done, you need to grow the f*$k up and start showing a bit more heart and support for you club. Cotchin hasn't even played a f*$king game yet for crying out loud, have you EVER even seen him play? And be honest...?

 

[eays]

I don't think the 6 clubs that had picks before Freo even considered the Carnival results, you are spot on.
I don't know what they were thinking, to be honest I'm not even sure they have seen Cotchin and Palmer play in person like you!! I reckon they just get paid to sit in their offices, and then when it comes to draft day they just took a stab in the dark LOLZ!!!@@! They are n00bz!

Palmer has played 2 games of AFL, he is clearly the best player ever and should have been the number 1 draft pick, Richmond should have known Cotchin would get injured!

...

Seriously though, Palmer has work ethic so he is well on his way to becoming an AFL star? Wtf? You're just having a joke right?
Cotchin has an amazing work ethic and commitment, so what is your point?

You are implying Cotchin didn't have runs on the board and was just a completely smokey? What a load of sh*t... Cotchin was the best player in the TAC in my opinion (Blues only took Kreuzer before him to fix problem holes, after having picked up Gibbs and Murphy they didn't need a midfielder) and in the majority of everyone elses opinion too. He also dominated the games in played in the AGSV, and was easily PEGS best player.
ONE bad carnival game, where he was blatantly tagged out of the game, which is rare to be done in an U/18's game, and suddenly he doesn't have runs on the board and is unproven?

You are clearly one who goes solely off stats, and you love the fact Palmer got 25 touches in the Carnival, that instantly means he is a better player? Of course the recruiter's took the Carnival performances into account you muppet, it is their job... But you're saying 6 clubs didn't take it into account, and have all stuffed up the choice they made?
Melbourne is rebuilding as well, it didn't choose Palmer?

Clear facts are, if ANY club had the choice, they would have taken Cotchin over Palmer... Simple... You can't help what happens down the track, Palmer may turn out to be better, but this doesn't mean your recruiters didn't make the right choice... It's just the luck of the draft.

Anyways I'm done, you need to grow the f*$k up and start showing a bit more heart and support for you club. Cotchin hasn't even played a f*$king game yet for crying out loud, have you EVER even seen him play? And be honest...?

if we were having this discussion in person, i'd have already knocked you the ____ out ... typical collingwood t@@ser ... a glimpse of what we have to look forward to at tomorrows match

 

[TigerGlory]

Were you saying we had the steal of the draft with Polo at #20 when he debuted and kicked ass?

Jesus H Christ mate, settle down, its Round 3 into the season, this kid has played one good game, but it seems Cotchin has more targets on his back than bloody anybody else in the draft, and he hasnt played a game.

 

[lids2004roar]

Just think, how good Rioli has been, how good Palmer has been, even how good Morton has been...

They are going along as expected, no better than what was predicted.



If Trent plays simply as expected, not even above expectations, then he will clearly be a class ABOVE all of these players.

The success of Rioli and Palmer mean that Trent is even more likely to be a superstar because just a few months ago everyone was saying that Cotchin was easily a class above all these players.

Exciting times ahead

 

[GhostofJimJess]

all i am saying is how much better can he possibly be?

Well, he could be taller for a start? And he might be stronger in the tackle? And he might be a better overhead mark? And he might handle it better when both players inevitably draw a hard tag? And he might kick the ball further? And he might have stronger leadership characteristics?

Who knows?

 

[boulos]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

You'll see when Cotchin plays his first 5-10 games.

 

[Invigoration]

if we were having this discussion in person, i'd have already knocked you the ____ out ... typical collingwood t@@ser ... a glimpse of what we have to look forward to at tomorrows match

"When you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate"

Haha, you know the argument is won when the angry little man starts threatening violence... But I'm the tosser? Haha, what a crack up

No problems though, I'll meet you outside the Olympic stand tomorrow after the game, you can show me how you knock the ____ out of people

Anyways, to the rest of you guys, good luck for tomorrow

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

You sir, are an idiot.

 

[sante]

I wished Palmer would slip to our 2nd round pick

This is a joke of a thread.

 

[Matty Knights]

The chances of Cotchin getting tagged once he plays will be minimal.

Even Lids got away with it for the first year.

As already stated a useless thread.

 

[tony_montana]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

FFS im one of the first to speak out against perceived richmond football club fu.ckups, but this is a joke mate. If we hadve taken palmer we would have been the laughing stock, there were 3-4 midfielders rated higher than him universally simple as that. we dont and Palmer comes out firing and its our fu.ckup.

Sure hes hit the ground running and will be a machine, but you simply couldnt go past cotchin, if he develops right he'll be better simple as that.

 

[hagansbull]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

have a look at this guy's previous posts, all of a sudden he's an expert.lol.

 

[mhill]

Can someone remind me again why we didnt draft this kid?

Cotchin is going to have to be d@mn good otherwise it will go down as a terrible recruiting error. I think recruiters complicate things a lot. Palmer dominates against his peers at the Carnival = pretty good chance he will be an out an out star at AFL level (after development time). Yet he is overlooked by us and a few other clubs.

Maybe Cotchin will be better and prove me wrong, but from all accounts, we have likely made another terrible recruiting bungle.

You sir are a god. Thank you for your genius. The leader is good, the leader is great, we surrender our will as of this date. nah nah nah nah nah leader!!!

 

[richcogs]

if we were having this discussion in person, i'd have already knocked you the ____ out ... typical collingwood t@@ser ... a glimpse of what we have to look forward to at tomorrows match

mate ur the one who seems like the tosser! Piss off and don't come back! This thread is so stupid! How old are you? 12 or so?