Coaching Staff Past Coach: Matthew Knights - Finally gets his second shot - 5/5

[Skeeta Olly]

Do you think we would get a star in return for Ryder ?

We wont trade Ryder for anyone, so it's pretty much pointless.

 

[rines]

Melbourne haven't got a spine like ours, we haven't got a midfield like theirs. Who's to say who'll win a flag first?

Carlton have had three #1 picks. Hardly fair comparison.

Freo - Pavlich, Sandilands, McPharlin, Tarrant. 4 of probably their 5-6 most important players.

Hawthorn - Hodge and Mitchell ('01). Bateman 99-00. Lewis, Sewell, they're both mid 20s now. Their youth line is a fallacy.

Adelaide are a few years ahead of us. Their Zaharakises, Reimerses, Houlis, Colyers, Melkshams are 20-24 now. Guys like Vince, Tippett, van Berlo etc. Not to mention Stevens, McLeod, Goodwin, Edwards.

Brisbane - Brown, Black, Power, Adcock, Rischitelli all from the pre-Dodoro era.



How he could have judged that in 2007, I don't know.



Maybe because Lucas and Lloyd wouldn't have figured in his plans past 2010 anyway. Lovett was a basket case, McPhee turned down a contract sitting on the table.



He's contracted for the next 17 games and then 2 years after that. He doesn't need to have public support. I'd rather everyone there gets their heads down and sorts out our form than waste their time on nothing statements.

Tell you what.. Lloyd could not have been worse than most on the field yesterday! McPhee turned down a contract because he was unhappy with length and also knights. Lovett couldn't be bought under control.. what does that say about our culture? If Lucas had to go, and I was in favour of this, then where does that leave guys like welsh and mcveigh??

And just cause he is contracted doesn't mean we can't get rid of him.. we just have to pay for it.. its a cost I'm prepared to wear. It will cost us far more in the long run to keep him and have him ruin our club further.

I knew knights was a dud in 2007 so I guess Judd could too. I've been saying for a while that we were recruiting the wrong type of players and our attitude has been all wrong. Maybe C Judd felt the same way. Why play in a midfield of 1 when you can join the likes of murphy, gibbs etc at Carlscum?

Fair call on the core group of players for other clubs.. but then again most of them would be gone if they played for Essendon because they wouldn't have toed the Knights line. You can not possibly say that every player recruited in the sheedy era was a dud. There is obviously something wrong with our development that these kids did not kick on.

 

[yaco55]

Tell you what.. Lloyd could not have been worse than most on the field yesterday! McPhee turned down a contract because he was unhappy with length and also knights. Lovett couldn't be bought under control.. what does that say about our culture? If Lucas had to go, and I was in favour of this, then where does that leave guys like welsh and mcveigh??

And just cause he is contracted doesn't mean we can't get rid of him.. we just have to pay for it.. its a cost I'm prepared to wear. It will cost us far more in the long run to keep him and have him ruin our club further.

I knew knights was a dud in 2007 so I guess Judd could too. I've been saying for a while that we were recruiting the wrong type of players and our attitude has been all wrong. Maybe C Judd felt the same way. Why play in a midfield of 1 when you can join the likes of murphy, gibbs etc at Carlscum?

Fair call on the core group of players for other clubs.. but then again most of them would be gone if they played for Essendon because they wouldn't have toed the Knights line. You can not possibly say that every player recruited in the sheedy era was a dud. There is obviously something wrong with our development that these kids did not kick on.

Rines

Poor examples to support your argument.

Judd was always going to accept the VISY money.

We did well to keep Lovett under a modicum of control, and anyway he fell out with the players.

 

[Boucks09]

We're now Richmond.

I wouldn't go that far but it can't be great.

I agree on the whole about setting a game plan you think will win a premiership and making your players good enough to do it (and not the other way around).

My concern is that the players aren't playing their natural game. You see guys steaming out of defense and looking to kick long to a target and almost sub conciously realising that they should be hanballing and making the mistake.

That to me, that is a coaching directive. That doesn't excuse players for being unable to kit a target from 20m away, but it is frustrating.

 

[DaSawx]

Tell you what.. Lloyd could not have been worse than most on the field yesterday! McPhee turned down a contract because he was unhappy with length and also knights. Lovett couldn't be bought under control.. what does that say about our culture? If Lucas had to go, and I was in favour of this, then where does that leave guys like welsh and mcveigh??

And just cause he is contracted doesn't mean we can't get rid of him.. we just have to pay for it.. its a cost I'm prepared to wear. It will cost us far more in the long run to keep him and have him ruin our club further.

I knew knights was a dud in 2007 so I guess Judd could too. I've been saying for a while that we were recruiting the wrong type of players and our attitude has been all wrong. Maybe C Judd felt the same way. Why play in a midfield of 1 when you can join the likes of murphy, gibbs etc at Carlscum?

Fair call on the core group of players for other clubs.. but then again most of them would be gone if they played for Essendon because they wouldn't have toed the Knights line. You can not possibly say that every player recruited in the sheedy era was a dud. There is obviously something wrong with our development that these kids did not kick on.

Yeah, it's our culture, not Lovett Everyone else is doing fine.

Judd made his decision before Knights was appointed. We were one of 4 clubs he was considering, and if my memory serves correctly, Collingwood and Melbourne were out of the picture before we were.

 

[Kong]

muscles

 

[silk]

Hasn't been nearly as effective as last year.

Teams have worked him out at stoppages - Back off him making him kick instead of handballing.

Needs another reliable clearance player to take the pressure off Jobe.

Yep!

 

[stay true]

I knew knights was a dud in 2007 so I guess Judd could too. I've been saying for a while that we were recruiting the wrong type of players and our attitude has been all wrong. Maybe C Judd felt the same way. Why play in a midfield of 1 when you can join the likes of murphy, gibbs etc at Carlscum?

Even though we didn't have a coach at the time, no senior coach in the country would have made a stronger case than the VISY dollars.

 

[rines]

As I understood it.. Sheedy had already been sacked and Knight appointed when Judd was doing the rounds.

Further I am sure that a club like Essendon could have matched the offer put forward by Carlton. Maybe Melbourne and North couldn't.. but we have a couple of rich backers ourselves...

Either way it was just one comment so lets not get stuck on it..

Was just in my mind as I watched Juddy rip it up again today..

 

[stay true]

Nah Knights wasn't appointed yet.

Yes, we could have matched Carlton's football contract offer but we didn't have a billionaire president offering him $300k a year for an ambassador role at his own company.

 

[Burzum]

Knights was not appointed when we met with Judd.

 

[hammer]

To state the obvious all 16 clubs recruit from the same pool of talent. There are no surprises. So it is each clubs opinion of that talent that determines who they select at draft time and then how they develop that talent. It sounds very simple. I understand that not everything goes to plan all the time HOWEVER......

Is it our inability to identify the appropriate talent or our inability to develop the appropriate talent further?

In this modern era when money is not an issue why do we seem to get it so wrong so often?

Why is it that the recruiting department is not held responsible for consistently poor decision making?

Are we suffering from poor (soft/weak) leadership in all departments both on field and off field?

I value strong (powerful) leadership. ( G.McMahon). Who at the club inspires me with their leadership?? Knights, Camporeale, Prescott, Hamilton,Robson, Evans, Dodorro etc They are an uninspiring lot.

After all this time I am intrigued by the selection of Knights.

Can anyone explain the selection process and who was involved??

As i have only recently learnt of one person who may have been involved in recommending Knights to the board and his knowledge and involvement in football at the elite level is zero.

I would like to think that these past few games are not a true indication however i suspect we are in for a long period of frustration.

I understand clubs go through phases in their lifetime. For those of us who remember the 70s ( i am not that old and it is not that long ago ) i would hate to think we are heading back there.

We used to be a club that always employed our own. When times get tough we need our own. Sadly Matthew Knights is not one of ours.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Is it our inability to identify the appropriate talent or our inability to develop the appropriate talent further?

This.

 

[AhSteveSteve27]

Replacing Slattery with Slattery? Wow we are scraping the barrel now.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Replacing Slattery with Slattery? Wow we are scraping the barrel now.

Not really. I don't think we'd miss a slow, below average skilled player.

At least with bringing in the other Slattery, we bring a bit more pace and added height into the backline. With Pears out, we may need it.

Don't see how that is scraping the barrel to be honest.

 

[Dkid]

im pretty sure watsons kicking is the least of our worries. half the team kicks worse than him

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Tell you what.. Lloyd could not have been worse than most on the field yesterday! McPhee turned down a contract because he was unhappy with length and also knights. Lovett couldn't be bought under control.. what does that say about our culture? If Lucas had to go, and I was in favour of this, then where does that leave guys like welsh and mcveigh??

Lloyd turned down a contract. End of story.

McPhee also turned down a contract. Why should we bend for a mid-range player?

Lovett r*ped someone (allegedly at St Kilda). Using your spurious logic, our culture is better than theirs.

So we fail by getting rid of too much experience, but we should have got rid of more?

And just cause he is contracted doesn't mean we can't get rid of him.. we just have to pay for it.. its a cost I'm prepared to wear. It will cost us far more in the long run to keep him and have him ruin our club further.

It's not happening.

I knew knights was a dud in 2007 so I guess Judd could too. I've been saying for a while that we were recruiting the wrong type of players and our attitude has been all wrong. Maybe C Judd felt the same way. Why play in a midfield of 1 when you can join the likes of murphy, gibbs etc at Carlscum?

How could you "know" that before he'd been appointed, let alone before he'd done anything.

Fair call on the core group of players for other clubs.. but then again most of them would be gone if they played for Essendon because they wouldn't have toed the Knights line. You can not possibly say that every player recruited in the sheedy era was a dud. There is obviously something wrong with our development that these kids did not kick on.

Strawman.

 

[BrunoV]

Yeah Skeeta, of course people can change their mind.

But when they do so, they should be honest enough ( like most on here have been) to admit.. yeah I stuffed this up etc etc.

Also there are a few posters that I would love to see some geniune apologies from. At times the comments and attacks I have been subject to because of my anti-knights stands have been way beyond appropriate.

I am NOT saying people can't disagree with me, you will often find me "agreeing to disagree" in many situations..

You are doing a really good job painting yourself as the genuis of this board. People may actually care what you think if you weren't so selective with your arguments and bothered to argue in the alternativen every now and then.

 

[lemon chicken]

I'd trade Ryder for a Trengove, Hill, Rich type player. I'd trade Ryder for Boak + something, van Berlo + something etc.

That leaves a massive hole in the future ruck stocks. An area we already have a big problem in.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

That leaves a massive hole in the future ruck stocks. An area we already have a big problem in.

I'm more concerned about our midfield tbh.

 

[Skeeta Olly]

I'm more concerned about our midfield tbh.

Hille gone in 3 years or so.
Laycock struggling
Ryder traded
Bellchmabers, Bock.

Nah we need Ryder.

 

[LeeARM]

If we need to trade a good tall for a good midfielder I'd go with Gumbleton and rely on Hurley/Neagle/Still/Carlisle to take our key forward spots.
None of the options really seem great but if you want something good you have to give something good.

 

[Duckworth]

Hille gone in 3 years or so.
Laycock struggling
Ryder traded
Bellchmabers, Bock.

Nah we need Ryder.

I agree. Certainly don't need to trade for more 'Vanilla' midfielders. Sorry BtG, couldn't help myself

Out KPP stocks are on the improve. We need to focus on drafting good midfielders in the next few drafts.

 

[lemon chicken]

Not 1 ruckman was taken in the last draft before any of our picks. Maybe people that watch u/18s can say there was a lack of talent or whatever but i cant help but feel we missed a golden opportunity.

 

[Sigmund]

to slow mentally and to slow physically.. he cant run and when we need defensive pressure his not there?.. imo his a great player, but he doesnt need this burden of captaincy. he cant kick. sigh. so much wrong at our club

essendon > carlton? i dont think so

Although I am giving up trying to reason with you, may I just point out the massive contradiction in your post?