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King Elvis said:
Did Siddle dominate domestic Cricket?

Smith has probably been picked too early, but as Bomber Bears said, he was picked on actual performance, not just potential.
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Gotta be one of the most nonsensical replies to a post I have seen. Are you trying to say that Siddle, although a miles better Test performer than Smith, deserves the abuse but Smith doesn't because he "dominated" domestic cricket?

FYI Siddle was picked after a "dominant" performance in a Shield final, put into the A team (which I am not sure has ever been graced with Steve Smith) in India, bowled well there and was put in to the Test side.

Smith was picked as a specialist bowler with a bowling average of mid nearly 50 in domestic. "Actual performance" good on ya. :rolleyes:

Wherever serious Aussie cricket followers post about cricket, it clearly isn't here.
 
The 747 said:
Gotta be one of the most nonsensical replies to a post I have seen. Are you trying to say that Siddle, although a miles better Test performer than Smith, deserves the abuse but Smith doesn't because he "dominated" domestic cricket?

FYI Siddle was picked after a "dominant" performance in a Shield final, put into the A team (which I am not sure has ever been graced with Steve Smith) in India, bowled well there and was put in to the Test side.

Smith was picked as a specialist bowler with a bowling average of mid nearly 50 in domestic. "Actual performance" good on ya. :rolleyes:

Wherever serious Aussie cricket followers post about cricket, it clearly isn't here.
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The 747 said:
It's all fine and good for this board to line up Steve Smith and post constant abuse of him but if anyone dares have a go at the victorian kid who does not deserve selection, cheerleaders get all Britneydefenderkid on them......
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well smith wasn't picked as a bowler in the ashes. he played two different roles in three tests, two of the dumbest roles ever assigned to a player in australian history which could have been avoided had they not just handed down one of the strangest sackings in australian history in hauritz. hhe was..a batting-spinner-all-rounder for the first two. or more accurately he was there in case the over rate got bad, and in sydney, i dunno know what the **** his role was but he wasn't a bowler.

Without a doubt terrible selection and there's no defending it. just like there's no defending siddle making his debut after 12 fc matches and not one full season in the shield, cummins currently being in with a shot and all the other insane selections we've seen lately with kids who haven't really dominated the shield or even put up solid consistent numbers. Lyon's about the only one of that kind that is defensible, because hauritz was injured and so we were forced to either pick a kid with not much put up on the board or pick jason ****ing krejza.

put simply, if you're picking a guy before he's played 15-20 matches in the shield he doesn't deserve the selection unless he's been putting up some serious bradmanesque numbers. and yep that goes for warne too. if you guys wanna keep on demanding we pick guys after 7 fc matches because it worked for warne, a top 10 ever player, then don't complain when we keep on losing
 
Bomber Bears said:
For all your talk of him being gifted an opportunity I suspect any player, after a season in which they hit four first class tons and also can bowl leggies, would get a run around the australian side. Has done alot more than some others to get a shot at higher honours.

Not that he justifies being in the side at present (or especially the test side last summer), but he has hardly done nothing at domestic level to get a shot
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This. I was ok on him being given a shot but then I saw him bat and it made me feel genuinely depressed about the quality of bowling in the shield.

And it's made me thoroughly distrust any hype about any player at all.
 

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well smith wasn't picked as a bowler in the ashes. he played two different roles in three tests, two of the dumbest roles ever assigned to a player in australian history which could have been avoided had they not just handed down one of the strangest sackings in australian history in hauritz. hhe was..a batting-spinner-all-rounder for the first two. or more accurately he was there in case the over rate got bad, and in sydney, i dunno know what the **** his role was but he wasn't a bowler.

Without a doubt terrible selection and there's no defending it. just like there's no defending siddle making his debut after 12 fc matches and not one full season in the shield, cummins currently being in with a shot and all the other insane selections we've seen lately with kids who haven't really dominated the shield or even put up solid consistent numbers. Lyon's about the only one of that kind that is defensible, because hauritz was injured and so we were forced to either pick a kid with not much put up on the board or pick jason ****ing krejza.

put simply, if you're picking a guy before he's played 15-20 matches in the shield he doesn't deserve the selection unless he's been putting up some serious bradmanesque numbers. and yep that goes for warne too. if you guys wanna keep on demanding we pick guys after 7 fc matches because it worked for warne, a top 10 ever player, then don't complain when we keep on losing
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He was picked for that role for the Ashes because he was replacing North who is, so far, a better spin bowler and more correct batsman. Him being in the right place at the right time for him and lousy for the team.

Don't mistake me, I'm glad North has gone but I can see the reasons behind picking both North and Smith. It's got to to with our paucity of quality spin bowlers. It's a shit reason but I can see why the selectors were desperate enough to hope it would work.
 
Doodlesweaver said:
This. I was ok on him being given a shot but then I saw him bat and it made me feel genuinely depressed about the quality of bowling in the shield.

And it's made me thoroughly distrust any hype about any player at all.
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He's the sort of player though that when in form will score alot of runs. When in form he has a good temprement (which would surprise, but most of his shield tons he'd really play himself into to 30-40 odd off 100 bals before easily stepping it up) and a very good eye, which compensate for a mediocre technique. It's just when out of form he has little to fall back on, temprement goes and he bats fairly terribly.

Which made his selection for the Ashes such a shite one, he was in terrible form at NSW level and was never going to handle that step up. He actually did alright in his first couple of tests against Pakistan IIRC.

The biggest issue here is that the selectors back Marcus North for far longer than they should've, that suddenly in the Ashes when it became clear he wasnt worthy a spot they panicked. The should've put someone in at 6 (Fergusson, Khawaja, Dussey, whoever) for the six or so off season tests and really made sure they were ready for the Ashes series.

But at least CA is trying to learn from their mistakes at this point, apparently!
 
The 747 said:
Gotta be one of the most nonsensical replies to a post I have seen. Are you trying to say that Siddle, although a miles better Test performer than Smith, deserves the abuse but Smith doesn't because he "dominated" domestic cricket?

FYI Siddle was picked after a "dominant" performance in a Shield final, put into the A team (which I am not sure has ever been graced with Steve Smith) in India, bowled well there and was put in to the Test side.

Smith was picked as a specialist bowler with a bowling average of mid nearly 50 in domestic. "Actual performance" good on ya. :rolleyes:

Wherever serious Aussie cricket followers post about cricket, it clearly isn't here.
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And Siddle has pretty much stagnated since. Although, if you read my post, I didn't say anything about Siddle deserving any kind of abuse; he doesn't, but neither does Smith.

Smith was picked as batsmen, who can bowl a bit.

Without a doubt terrible selection and there's no defending it. just like there's no defending siddle making his debut after 12 fc matches and not one full season in the shield, cummins currently being in with a shot and all the other insane selections we've seen lately with kids who haven't really dominated the shield or even put up solid consistent numbers. Lyon's about the only one of that kind that is defensible, because hauritz was injured and so we were forced to either pick a kid with not much put up on the board or pick jason ****ing krejza.
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Phone posts quality.
 
The 747 said:
It's all fine and good for this board to line up Peter Siddle and post constant abuse of him but if anyone dares have a go at the NSW kid who does not deserve selection, cheerleaders get all Britneydefenderkid on them......
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Who says it's all fine and good for this board to line up Peter Siddle? I certainly don't think it is. I'm not a fan of Siddle, and I've expressed that, but I also think he's got talent and if he grows a brain, could be a very good cricketer. I think that's the opinion of most who bag him. What Siddle cops has nothing on the constant, unqualified, and often unsolicited abuse of Smith from Dan Warna and others.

It's all very well to express the opinion that Smith isn't good enough. Most people on here think that, myself included (provided he's persisted with in the role he's currently playing). It's also all very well to express the opinion that Siddle isn't good enough. But nobody hates Siddle to the point where they bring up how much they think he is shit in discussions that have nothing to do with him. Nobody hates him so much that they say they'll never watch the Australian cricket team again if he's selected. Nobody hates him so much that they call him a talentless hack that should be playing grade cricket.

Honestly, to compare what Siddle cops to what Smith cops is laughable, especially when Smith isn't nearly as bad as people say. His stats in ODIs are comparable with those of James Hopes, who had his detractors but nothing so bad as what Smith gets, and he's arguably the best T20 spinner in the country.

Also, you mention in a later post that Siddle is a better Test performer than Smith. True, but Smith isn't in the Test team, is he? You want to talk about teams that Smith is actually selected in, and Siddle is not? Well statistically, Steve Smith > Peter Siddle in T20Is and ODIs.

As for being a cheerleader, your pro-Vic, anti-NSW attitude leaves any of the NSW contingent for dead. Whenever the vaguest hint of something that might relate to NSW vs Victoria is brought up, you're first to jump in and stick the boot in to NSW. If this wasn't primarily a Victorian site you'd be laughed off the board. At least Dan Warna recognises NSW players that are deserving.
 
why is everyone yelling for him to start playing tests already. what logical reason is their for him to be picked for the test starting on Thursday and to start playing tests in the summer. i don't see any. yes he is a gun young gun and i stress young. but to throw him into the fire without any match practice would be stupid. most of the people that are saying he should be brought is, are saying he is you and can bowl 150 clicks. none are saying anything about his first class record.
 

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Irrespective of what we think he's in the squad so he may as well play him given the crappiness of the rest of the attack. Prefer him bowling rather than sit around and do nothing so whether he's doing it in a Test match or a Shield match now doesn't matter. He's there, not much we can do about it now so just bowl him. What better place for a young express bowler to debut than the altitude of J'burg. If we're going to lose I'd rather lose with Copeland and Cummins than Johnson and Siddle. We'd have more hope and get some experience into a young bloke at the same time.
 
Hilditch is desperate to shoehorn youth into the side to prove the last 3 years weren't a complete waste of time that sent us backwards

Unfortunately every minute Hilditch stays in the job is a further step backwards. Why have we got 2 spinners in SA? Why send Pattison to not play when he could be playing Shield?

If this tour is as irrelevant as it seems given it is only 2 tests and full of hasbeens we should have kept the young blokes at home to hone their games. Clearly we were going to pick the old guard anyway.

If Invers can select as well as he could captain we are in for some good times in a year or two
 
i don't mind if he plays but if he gets dropped and screwed around by the selectors after he inevitably gets carted at some point, i will hurt people
 
i enjoy a good hilditch sledge as much as the next person, but cummins being contracted and in the squad reeks more of greg chappell. cummins may well play this test, but it'd be on the basis of last man standing. they surely won't play him before copeland and well they may say **** off siddle and mj and just play whoever else they can find. in this case, cummins.
 
It's hard to see cummings getting a go, cummings would be a huge gamble but with the way johnson is going maybe not a huge as it first appears, issue is it wouldn't be johnson going it would be siddle.

Johnson will play this test and if he doesn't get wickets he will get a chance to beat up on the brittle kiwis if he can't take wickets against even them he may be under a cloud for the Indian series...
 

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Underarm said:
if he doesnt play this test, he needs to catch the same plane Warner is catching to play in the A game. otherwise he has just wasted 3 weeks of practise that someone of his age needs.
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Damn right.

I see the value of sending kids on the Tours to get a feel for it; but not when our Domestic Comp is in full swing, and they're unlikely to get a go.

Hope we give him a go though; would rather see Cummins and Copeland get a chance than the same old with Siddle & Johnson.
 

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