Opinion Paul Roos on 'extra' time

[Carringbush2010]

On today's AFL daily on ABC, Paul Roos with a novel thought around draws and extra time.

Instead of the siren blowing and then go into extra time, the game continues until the next score. Currently this applies in finals if the game is still drawn at the end of extra time.

This is the current AFL policy

New extra-time rules clarified to end finals ties

League clarifies new rules to end extra-time confusion

www.afl.com.au

This is Roosy's thoughts without the extra time, the game just continues until the next score.

• Timekeepers do not blow the siren at the end of playing time of the last quarter.
• The next score after playing time has elapsed wins
• I'd imagine that all and sundry will be notified (how is up for discussion) that playing time has elapsed and the next score wins. This means the players will do anything and everything to disallow the opposition a score i:e rushing a behind means you lose the game.
• On the TV I'd imagine the playing time will show as expired so the couch fan also knows.
• This means ALL games will be decided by extra time, not just finals.
• The 30 sec shot clock remains for a shot at goal AFTER playing time has expired. A/ if the 30 sec expires it's play on B/ A goal or point will effect percentage (This is my idea Roosy didn't mention this).

I know the draw is tradition in our game and gives you reward for not winning BUT I quite like this idea. It ups the desperation trying to defend score and trying to score. Imagine the smothers, tackles etc.

I think this is a much better idea than blowing the siren and then going to extra time and it means there has to be a winner for H&A games not just finals.

What's everyone's opinion on this? And what modifications would you like if this was implemented?

 

[Underarm]

If this was the case teams would go super defensive with scores level in the final minute, knowing that there's no timeline on how quickly they need to score. Games would become less dramatic.

 

[Cyclops]

It's seems a fiddly edge case rule. Are we changing a rule because someone feels flat?

We have a lot of new rules and the umps are clearly struggling to stay on top of them.

I'm not a "game was better in the 60s" type, there's been good changes, but too much rapid change.

Paul Roos is no one to talk about rules. Heavily advantaged by the league as a coach and infamously played 19 men against North.

 

[maskmcgee]

novel thought

Novel? You mean the same 'should we get rid of the draw' the media runs with after every drawn game in the last 20 years? 90%+ of fans want to keep the draw, dead topic.

 

[Dirty Bird]

On today's AFL daily on ABC, Paul Roos with a novel thought around draws and extra time.

Instead of the siren blowing and then go into extra time, the game continues until the next score. Currently this applies in finals if the game is still drawn at the end of extra time.

No it isn't

Not even at the end of 2nd ET

It's when they restart 3rd ET that this happens.

Anyway - No. I tolerate it in Weeks 1-3 of finals as we need a result. And I tolerate it in week 4 of finals, because it can severely disdvantage non-victorian teams having to come back the next week. But in the home and away season? All you're doing is wearing out players for 10 minutes because? Optics? **** off.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

There’s absolutely no need to change anything about the draw. Simply making changes for the sake of making changes.

 

[Carringbush2010]

If this was the case teams would go super defensive with scores level in the final minute, knowing that there's no timeline on how quickly they need to score. Games would become less dramatic.

By the same token, teams would be going all out to score 1st.

 

[Carringbush2010]

No it isn't

Not even at the end of 2nd ET

It's when they restart 3rd ET that this happens.

Anyway - No. I tolerate it in Weeks 1-3 of finals as we need a result. And I tolerate it in week 4 of finals, because it can severely disdvantage non-victorian teams having to come back the next week. But in the home and away season? All you're doing is wearing out players for 10 minutes because? Optics? **** off.

Fair enough, I view it as a definite result instead of a draw.

As for finals I think this is a better idea instead adding all the extra time, just play it out until a score.

Edit: Paul Roos did say in that podcast that he is in favour of keeping the draw in H&A.

 

[Carringbush2010]

There’s absolutely no need to change anything about the draw. Simply making changes for the sake of making changes.

Yeah I'm not advocating for change for change sake. Just think it's better than a no winning result draw.

I can understand why the want to keep the draw though.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Novel? You mean the same 'should we get rid of the draw' the media runs with after every drawn game in the last 20 years? 90%+ of fans want to keep the draw, dead topic.

The novel bit isn't about getting rid of the draw but the how.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Fair enough, I view it as a definite result instead of a draw.

As for finals I think this is a better idea instead adding all the extra time, just play it out until a score.

Edit: Paul Roos did say in that podcast that he is in favour of keeping the draw in H&A.

Think of it from a logistics perspective.
Particularly at lower levels.
When it's ammos, or junior footy, how many people ask the goal umpire 'are the scores right?'
People keeping score other than umpires aren't paying full attention
I find at ammos, the kids ont he scoreboard are wrong nearly half the time.

So the idea doesn't work because the timekeeper will continue play with an incorrect score.
Say the scoreboard says 14.11.95 vs 14.11.95 when it's really 14.12.96 vs 14.11.95. Next minute a goal is kicked, it's now 14.12.96 vs 15.11.101. But as a goal is scored, the timekeeper blows the siren then.

Goal umpires come together, they agree it's 96 vs 101. They're unaware that it should have been 96 vs 95 because the timekeeper wrongly assumed the score was 95 vs 95.

I've seen scoreboard attendants even at the AFL miss it for a few minutes, then update it halfway through the quarter (at least they can check replays, or ask champion data).

I'm happy for golden point in finals, but not as an automatic continuation of play. At least stop it, check everything's in order, then start. Especially if there's a gale.

 

[Clark G]

Others have probably said this in other threads, but the aim of the regular season is to rank the teams one to 18. Draws don’t stop that from occurring. Finals are different, a winner is required for every match for a team to progress.

 

[maskmcgee]

The novel bit isn't about getting rid of the draw but the how.

Golden point. Also been suggested 1000 times

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Yeah I'm not advocating for change for change sake. Just think it's better than a no winning result draw.

I can understand why the want to keep the draw though.

I just don’t see an issue with a 3 hour game ending in a draw. That’s more than enough time and if the sides can’t be split, the most fitting result is simply a draw.

Happens so irregularly in our game that it’s not something that needs the attention it receives each time it comes up.

I love a draw when they come around.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Golden point. Also been suggested 1000 times

Could be golden goal also.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Think of it from a logistics perspective.
Particularly at lower levels.
When it's ammos, or junior footy, how many people ask the goal umpire 'are the scores right?'
People keeping score other than umpires aren't paying full attention
I find at ammos, the kids ont he scoreboard are wrong nearly half the time.

So the idea doesn't work because the timekeeper will continue play with an incorrect score.
Say the scoreboard says 14.11.95 vs 14.11.95 when it's really 14.12.96 vs 14.11.95. Next minute a goal is kicked, it's now 14.12.96 vs 15.11.101. But as a goal is scored, the timekeeper blows the siren then.

Goal umpires come together, they agree it's 96 vs 101. They're unaware that it should have been 96 vs 95 because the timekeeper wrongly assumed the score was 95 vs 95.

I've seen scoreboard attendants even at the AFL miss it for a few minutes, then update it halfway through the quarter (at least they can check replays, or ask champion data).

I'm happy for golden point in finals, but not as an automatic continuation of play. At least stop it, check everything's in order, then start. Especially if there's a gale.

Well then that's on the scorers not on the concept.

As for not an automatic continuation of play, fair enough, but that doesn't necessarily mean we have to add extra time, just stop and restart until the next score imo.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Could be golden goal also.

A stupid question needs a stupid resolution.


The only answer is : Bowl off!

 

[terrybull]

Draws are so seldom that there is no need for it except Finals.

Even soccer regular games don’t care and there it happens all the time.

Why have Australians turned into Americans have the need of a winner/loser every game.

 

[terrybull]

And if you really have to have a winner in case of a draw in the home and away then you got to reward the eventuell loser for it’s effort.

Winner takes 3 points and loser 1 point.

 

[Dazzler9]

I don't like golden point. It should have to be a goal.

The only problem is, what if one team kicks 7 behinds before the opposition kicks a goal?

So it would have to be golden goal, or first team to reach a 6 point lead, whichever comes first.

Simple!

 

[dumb]

the afl would rather the game stick to its attempted allotted time even if scores are level, instead of running the gauntlet of extra time until a team scores. roos' idea could mean a 10-15 minute window of no possible advertising opportunities. no way would the afl sign off on that.

 

[kickazz]

If they made it a rule I'd love it if the first game it happened was Freo vs St Kilda.

 

[kickazz]

I don't like golden point. It should have to be a goal.

The only problem is, what if one team kicks 7 behinds before the opposition kicks a goal?

So it would have to be golden goal, or first team to reach a 6 point lead, whichever comes first.

Simple!

**** it make all games a bit like tennis.

Once siren goes, if a team is up by 7 (personally prefer that to 6) or more, they win.

If not, keep playing until someone is 7 points up.

 

[Billy ray]

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[kickazz]

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Yes I have heard you suggest this before and this simulation only confirms it is really the only option.


Don't even need extra time for GFs. No cup, both losers, sucked in.