Paul Seedsman (189, 72kg)

[blaze036]

Saw this kid recently and was kinda shocked... i dont really work out and i looked far stronger than this kid, had an extreamly skinny frame, this was most suprising as he had already spent a year with the pies i thought he would have at least SOMETHING on him.

This got me thinking as a lot of people on here have been rating him fairly highly, despite what his early VFL form (and draft position) would indicate. Does he have the body to ever make AFL? his BMI is 19... which is classified as UNDERWEIGHT for a healthy average person, let alone an AFL footballer. I seriouslly doubt his got the frame to play AFL, and looks like one of those kids who cant just put on any weight (like me), its just a genetic thing.

Do the Seedsmen fans have anything to the contrary?

His 8cms taller than Dick, but NINE KGS lighter for christ sake! and dick was a bloody twig that couldnt tackle as he was too weak, not to mention injury prone as he got smashed by bigger bodies.

What do you guys reckon? sorry to be a wet blanket on the hype of some our kids, but most have been severly overrated on BF in my opinion (thomas witts ect) with very little performance to back it up, apart from FASOLO who is gonna be a star. (ps: yes i did get on the witts bandwagon, couldn't resist the 209 117kg beast)

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Those numbers are wrong the day after they've been taken, let alone a year without being updated

 

[JOELY]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

I don't know where you've seen him lately, but I thought he bulked up a little by the end of the season. You've listed his stats when he got drafted and, yes, he was very light and more than a few of us had a little chuckle at how much of an way out pick he seemed, but I suppose that's why many of us are a wrap for him because he actually turned to be quite good! Outperformed a lot of the guys who were seen as better prospects at the time of drafting.
Personally, I'm going to wait for him to have a least one full pre-season to make the call on his weight gaining ability.







And it "he's"...

 

[blaze036]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

I don't know where you've seen him lately, but I thought he bulked up a little by the end of the season. You've listed his stats when he got drafted and, yes, he was very light and more than a few of us had a little chuckle at how much of an way out pick he seemed, but I suppose that's why many of us are a wrap for him because he actually turned to be quite good! Outperformed a lot of the guys who were seen as better prospects at the time of drafting.
Personally, I'm going to wait for him to have a least one full pre-season to make the call on his weight gaining ability.








And it "he's"...

If you want me to correct the underlined bit, just gimme a yell. If you want others to puncuate/use grammer correctly maybe u should too? or how about u just dont because this is a BF post and not an english essay



Also despite the stats being a year old, the point about him being to skinny for AFL is still very valid.

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

So Twiggy Dunne or Robbie Flower wouldn't get a game these days?

 

[blaze036]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

So Twiggy Dunne or Robbie Flower wouldn't get a game these days?

Sorry i wasnt around to know much about these guys, but if you are referring to them playing whilst being very skinny then ur point is silly.

Mainly because the bodies in AFL nowdays have become much much bigger. Players are now much faster and stronger so you do too if u want to mix it with them.

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Sorry i wasnt around to know much about these guys, but if you are referring to them playing whilst being very skinny then ur point is silly.

Mainly because the bodies in AFL nowdays have become much much bigger. Players are now much faster and stronger so you do too if u want to mix it with them.

Actually if you watch those old tapes the first thing you notice is how big those players were, they were like body builders compared to players today

Speed and athleticism is more important today and if you think Robbie Flower couldn't play modern day footy then you are either very young or very ignorant or both

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

So Twiggy Dunne or Robbie Flower wouldn't get a game these days?

Todays modern football department would develop their bodies with diet & gym. A 23 year old Robbie Flower in 2011 would be a different Robbie Flower compared to the 1978 player. He wouldnt be huge, but would be stronger & wouldn't weigh 68 kgs. His skills & marking ability would still be A1.

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Todays modern football department would develop their bodies with diet & gym. A 23 year old Robbie Flower in 2011 would be a different Robbie Flower compared to the 1978 player. He wouldnt be huge, but would be stronger & wouldn't weigh 68 kgs. His skills & marking ability would still be A1.

There would be very little you could do with those players, a bit more cut, stronger etc but not bulked

 

[stui magpie]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Actually if you watch those old tapes the first thing you notice is how big those players were, they were like body builders compared to players today

Speed and athleticism is more important today and if you think Robbie Flower couldn't play modern day footy then you are either very young or very ignorant or both

Twiggy Dunne and Robbie Flower built like body builders?

You are kidding right?

Flower would make it in today's game. modern training would tone him up.

But built like a body builder?

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Twiggy Dunne and Robbie Flower built like body builders?

You are kidding right?

Flower would make it in today's game. modern training would tone him up.

But built like a body builder?

Not those two players for ****s sake it was a general statement, they were slower and bulked, go to Youtube and pick a game from the 80's and tell me I'm wrong

 

[Swooop]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Seedsman will never be a hulk, but he's already strengthened up a bit since those early figures I reckon blaze036.

Pendles is his tutor and he already plays a little bit like Pendles now in the VFL.

If he stays pretty evasive, and with age just muscles up a bit, he should be OK.

 

[Swooop]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Not those two players for ****s sake it was a general statement, they were slower and bulked, go to Youtube and pick a game from the 80's and tell me I'm wrong

Yeah I think you're absolutely right, players now are more well toned running machines than before.

We haven't seen the likes of a Mick Conlan for a long time

 

[blaze036]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Even after a full preseason, he may put on 2-4 kgs, his still 5+ kgs lighter than BRAD DICK, who couldnt lay a tackle in the afl as he got brushed aside.

Maybe Seedsmen could be okay in 2-3 years, but people have been saying he could being playing afl this year(2012), surely not yet? An experienced midfielder could hold him off with 1 hand, or brush his tackle with a waggle of the hips

 

[HereComes16]

Re: Paul Seedsmen (189, 72kg)

Even after a full preseason, he may put on 2-4 kgs, his still 5+ kgs lighter than BRAD DICK, who couldnt lay a tackle in the afl as he got brushed aside.

That number (72kgs) is 12 months old and I've seen Seedsman stick tackles against key position players

 

[SuperSub17]

He was an emergency for this year's Queen's Birthday game, that shows that he was in the mix at least.

 

[blaze036]

He was an emergency for this year's Queen's Birthday game, that shows that he was in the mix at least.

being the 3rd emergency (like ugle was once) doesnt mean ur in the mix, just usually a reward for young players to give them some hope n confidence. If we did have 3 injuries somehow before the game on queen's birthday, we would of brought up somone else who was ready to play AFL instead of Seedsmen and just taken the 5k fine i reckon.

He was never seriouslly considered to play

 

[HereComes16]

being the 3rd emergency (like ugle was once) doesnt mean ur in the mix, just usually a reward for young players to give them some hope n confidence.

All it takes is a flu to sweep through the club and all those emergencies are playing, trust me when I tell you we are not running our club like a joke and toying with the emergencies list

And why would you assume he was the 3rd emergency when only the coaches would be privy to that info

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

In the 70's & 80's the VFL had a range of body types. There was bulked up 'he' men, some skinny wingmen, some midget onballers, some skinny tall rucks & some big fat rucks. Most clubs were more concerned about playing football, getting the ball & kicking a score, rather than a regemented preparation for each player. Turn up to training, pull on the boots, go out & have a kick. Some went to the gym, others didn't (KB never went near the gym, unless it was raining).
I also find it hard to believe that Dick weighs more than Fasolo (same height) according to CFC website?? Dick is skinny where as Fas looks well built?

 

[Optimax]

being the 3rd emergency (like ugle was once) doesnt mean ur in the mix, just usually a reward for young players to give them some hope n confidence. If we did have 3 injuries somehow before the game on queen's birthday, we would of brought up somone else who was ready to play AFL instead of Seedsmen and just taken the 5k fine i reckon.

He was never seriouslly considered to play

I was at all the training sessions that week

Was certainly considered a chance, a few times this year I saw senior players working closely with seedsmen making sure be didn't let off the hard work now he was so close

 

[SwanBet]

shocking thread, the information is very old. He has put on a lot of Kg's since the start of the year. I know the kid and mid way through the year i think he said he had put on around 5-6 kg's, he was pretty serious on the protein powder as well.

BTW tackling is one of his strong points in my opinion, tbh don't really see him becoming a world beater next season but he should play a couple of games, however it is ridiculous that your righting a bloke off you know nothing about
based on his weight from draft day in 2010.

 

[blaze036]

All it takes is a flu to sweep through the club and all those emergencies are playing, trust me when I tell you we are not running our club like a joke and toying with the emergencies list

And why would you assume he was the 3rd emergency when only the coaches would be privy to that info

If the club was affected by flu do u srsly think the same emergencys would of been picked?

U can assume his the 3rd emergency because if 2 players pulled out he still wouldnt of been playing

 

[blaze036]

shocking thread, the information is very old. He has put on a lot of Kg's since the start of the year. I know the kid and mid way through the year i think he said he had put on around 5-6 kg's, he was pretty serious on the protein powder as well.

BTW tackling is one of his strong points in my opinion, tbh don't really see him becoming a world beater next season but he should play a couple of games, however it is ridiculous that your righting a bloke off you know nothing about
based on his weight from draft day in 2010.

The information is the newest of any released info..

U say his put 6kgs midway through the year, so we can expect to see a seedsmen 84kgs+ by the start of next season? (78kg by halfway in 2011, another 6 for the second half of the year and PLUS a big preseason in 2012). Highly highly doubt that u got the right info, guess we'll see when the 2012 stats come out. My guess he'll be 78-79 tops

I was righting him off based upon his very very skinny frame which in most cases is genetic and hard to charge, super skinny players usually stay super skinny (fraser street ect). Also his VFL form was average most of the year, certainly a long way behind fasolo young sinclair thomas witts to name a few.

Stop bagging the thread and post ur thoughts.

BTW his strong points are speed, agility, decision making, finding space and reading of the play as said by THE CLUB, not tackling.

 

[TradeDraft]

The information is the newest of any released info..

U say his put 6kgs midway through the year, so we can expect to see a seedsmen 84kgs+ by the start of next season? (78kg by halfway, another 6 for the second half of the year and PLUS a big preseason in 2012). I was righting him off based upon his very very skinny frame which in most cases is genetic and hard to charge, super skinny players usually stay super skinny (fraser street ect). Also his VFL form was average most of the year, certainly a long way behind fasolo young sinclair thomas witts to name a few.

Stop bagging the thread and post ur thoughts.

BTW his strong points are speed, agility, decision making, finding space and reading of the play as said by THE CLUB, not tackling.

Have you ever Seen him Play?

 

[Quicky]

"What gets me really excited about a guy is when he has warts, and everyone knows he has warts, and the warts just don't matter"

--> Sorry I've been reading moneyball and this quote seemed to ring true here.

He's skinny but he has so much more going for him. Just because he fits an unconventional mould doesn't mean he won't make it. Blair is unconventional. Everything else about Seedsman suggests he will be a player.