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Yes, a lot of racism is explained away as being meant in a positive way. You should've read through the twitter comments on the 18c hashtag #FreedomOfSpeech where people were discussing their experience of racism. It's full of backhanded compliments like yours.
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They could at least try. Saying hey ISIS you *******s aren't Muslims you are just thugs with erectile dysfunction go crawl off and watch pr0n instead of compensating for non existent manhoods with bombs.
Something along those lines.
They are Muslims though.
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Can you elaborate? Not sure you understood what Crankyhawk posted.
I'd still consider any Christian terrorist cell that had used Christianity as a tool for evil Christian.
They'd just be using Christianity in a different manner than I do.
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I was giving an easy to follow example of why saying ISIS aren't real Muslims is stupid.
I'm sorry if it was too complicated.
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I don't support Hanson but... I don't support Trump but... I don't support Abbott but... Such a familiar refrain, when conservatives are so bat s**t crazy that even their supporters are embarrassed by them, and have to pretend they disavow them.
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He's still no account.
Because I think that deluding yourself into believing that ISIS aren't Muslims is misguided? (Hint: the acronym gives it away)
They shared the overarching Islamic faith with the girl I dated. That doesn't mean they share the same principles. Wahhabism is also distinctly different from the Sunni faith that she practices.
For example, the Ku Klux Klan are Christian terrorists (that hate Catholicism). I'm Catholic. We both share the same basic faith, but they just distort it and use it how they want to use it, while I prefer to use it for hope and the kinder principles. I don't think that just because they did horrible things that they weren't real Christians. I loathe what the Ku Klux Klan did, just like the majority of Muslims dislike what ISIS have done.
I hope that's more illuminating and explains that I'm simply trying to state that ISIS are Islamic. To claim otherwise is just invoking the No True Scotsman fallacy.
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The point is that moderate Muslims should reject ISIS as not showing what it means (to the moderates) to be a Muslim. This would then help by showing the non Muslim world that the average (read moderate) Muslim does not approve of ISIS batshit crazy - and create the narrative that this is not what Islam truly is. Because the current story is that ISIS is what Islam is.
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Equally I don't think I would call the KKK Christian, again just call them out as batshit nuts. By allowing the excuse of religion, nutters can "justify " all sorts of s**t because of belief.
It is incumbent on secularists and atheists to show there is a limit to what we will tolerate as far as religion goes before calling it out as crazy and inappropriate.
I agree, I apologise for being a pedant.
It's probably a bit hard for it to happen because it doesn't sell as many papers for Islamic leaders to come out in staunch opposition. Also, with no real central body or central figure eg the pope, it makes it much harder.
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Seems to me that these guys attacking the west are low rent hoods who've co-opted Islam as some sort of justification for their actions, which suits ISIS who'd take credit for my morning dump if they thought it would forward their cause.
I think that claiming that the KKK isn't Christian just allows whichever branch of Christianity it is an easy out of trying to remedy the situation.
Can you explain what was so LOLsworthy? My entire point was pedantry but the repeated abuse of the NTS fallacy just annoys me.
I understand what you're saying, but how do you decide who is a real Muslim and who isn't?
Do you have to be peaceful? Do you have to follow a particular interpretation strictly? Must you have read the Quran?
If Sunnis don't believe Shiites are real Muslims, and vice versa, does that mean no one is a real Muslim?
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