Religion Pell Guilty!

[sherb]

The worst thing about this is he basically did it in gods name being in a cathedral after mass.

And "God's house".

 

[skilts]

I don't like mobs and it seems to me they've gone after the only bloke who actually stood up ended the abuse within the church in Australia.

Pell only 'stood up' (and ended nothing), because Kennett said to him, "Either you fix it, or I will." The torture of the victims was merely conducted in a different and more insidious way thereafter.

From that point on, Pell's only interest was in minimizing the financial losses by Catholic Insurance and the church in general. I know this because I made the mistake of spilling my guts to that vile pudendum Callaghan. Pell's greatest achievement in initiating (under threat) this process was to find as big a pudendum as he was to do his dirty work. For this, some like you seem tempted to applaud him, ignoring the fact that he had so many arseholes to choose from for this self-serving role.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Great article by Richard Cooke on the politics of the matter

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rge-pells-defenders-just-displays-their-power

Shocked to be sitting here:

For once, the ethical crudity of the shock jocks is clarifying, even welcome. Ray Hadley is almost alone among conservatives in backing the verdict reached by the jury, or at least respecting it.

“I think it would have been more prudent to allow justice to take its course before a public exhibition of their support for a now-convicted paedophile,” he said on Thursday morning. “It’s impossible to put ourselves in the position of the jury because they’re the only ones who heard that evidence.”

 

[Richard Pryor]

The worst thing about this is he basically did it in gods name being in a cathedral after mass.

Believe it or not at the sentencing the defence tried to argue against this point to minimize the act:

Richter shifted ground. Pell was not, as he put his penis in that boy’s mouth, acting as archbishop but only as a man. Mass had finished and that was the only reason Pell was at St Patrick’s.

“The only differential of power is that he is an adult – for reasons inexplicable – with an urge to do what he did,” said Richter. “He is not abusing his position as archbishop but he is abusing his position … as a grown man.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ot-dressed-for-prison-but-thats-where-he-went

 

[Benny78]

If all this was true, how come Pell hasn’t been charged with any offences claiming that he protected/covered up for pedo priests?

Once you accept it is all true the road to enlightenment begins

 

[skipper kelly]

No, knowing Pell’s arrogance, he probably believed that the allegations were preposterous. Pell would have most likely argued with Richter about conceding there was any chance he did the crimes he was found guilty of.

Don't know mate.

 

[Tiges1229]

Wouldn’t that be leading the jurors?

On what ground if it’s known why the judge refused to show the clip to the jurors?

I’ll leave it for the more legal minded people in here to help out if they can?

I’m not sure how that would work , but what I did find interesting Is the jury were taken to church and shown around when there was no mass on etc , I guess that to could be considered leading the jurors to as this could leave them to believe it wasn’t at all busy ? To get an actual better idea of what it may have really been like maybe they should have been taken down after a Sunday mass .

 

[Forward Press]

Shocked to be sitting here:

Was about to post that exact quote.

What is there to argue about Hadley's statement? The mental gymnastics by many on the conservative side of politics is astounding at times.

 

[Sainteric]

Phillip Wilson was the first guy to be charged with that and it was overturned on appeal. It's still being tested in law.

Time is the killer here

Wilson got off because he may not have remembered or believed the accuser telling him in the 70s.

If that's the test it's going to be pretty hard to nail a conviction.

 

[its free real estate]

Hadley’s opinion isn’t surprising. He’s not a culture warrior as such, unlike Bolt or Devine whose whole identities revolve around their resentment. His conservatism is pitched at the gut.

 

[Sainteric]

Was about to post that exact quote.

What is there to argue about Hadley's statement? The mental gymnastics by many on the conservative side of politics is astounding at times.

Hadley doesn't exactly love pedos. Having said that I suppose character references are ok, but Howard's one as an ex PM was pathetic, he went beyond saying Pell was a great bloke to Pell couldn't possibly have done it because he is great bloke.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

The door was always locked! So the kjds couldn't have got in there! But also, that area was always super busy, little old ladies milling around, at the same time it was always locked.

Oh for goodness sake. No doubt the sacristy was locked when not in use. When in use, people would come and go all the time so not possible for sexual assaults to take place.

Some really disgraceful posts posts in this thread. I know, I know, it's BigFooty, but given the seriousness of the topic I would have thought a little more respect for differing views would have been in order.

 

[Del191229]

Oh for goodness sake. No doubt the sacristy was locked when not in use. When in use, people would come and go all the time so not possible for sexual assaults to take place.

But there is doubt. And there was time. And it is not only possible, it did happen.

Some really disgraceful posts posts in this thread. I know, I know, it's BigFooty, but given the seriousness of the topic I would have thought a little more respect for differing views would have been in order.

Are HONESTLY suggesting I should show "respect" for people who support a CONVICTED CHILD RAPIST?

We're not arguing about whether Higgins or Wingard will kick more goals this year, or Morrison's boat policy.

 

[Del191229]

Here comes round two of the patronising paternalistic deluded child rapist support club.

 

[BRWB]

Other survivors react.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/...tes-laud-pell-conviction-20190226-p510ar.html

I am from Ballarat and was lucky to dodge the abuse as my family weren't catholics. But so many people - relatives, acquaintance, friends of family affected by this. Horrifying that 12 out of a class of 33 killed themselves. Sickening was Pell's protection and support of Ridsdale. Disgusting was his shortchanging and disbelief of victims.

What is even more horrific is the way a few people's (some of them even far more important and influential than old mate Bruce from Balnarring) eyes just slide over all of the inconsistencies in Pell's stories over the years that have been highlighted by the Royal Commission and many, many interviews with many different people.

These important folk just can't seem to grasp that it is a logical progression for Pell to be where he is today.

Far from being 'gobsmacked'.

It just makes sense.

 

[sideswipe]

But there is doubt. And there was time.



Are HONESTLY suggesting I should show "respect" for people who support a CONVICTED CHILD RAPIST?

We're not arguing about whether Higgins or Wingard will kick more goals this year, or Morrison's boat policy.

Is it disrespectful to opine that both sides are finding the position of the other somewhat hard to swallow?

 

[Thornton Melon]

It would be a plain 'Vanilla' penetration if it were a QC or a Judge or some 'ordinary' person.

I wonder what sort of penetration George is hoping for in jail......................vanilla or chocolate?

 

[Del191229]

Is it disrespectful to opine that both sides are finding the position of the other somewhat hard to swallow?

Heh.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Are HONESTLY suggesting I should show "respect" for people who support a CONVICTED CHILD RAPIST?

Is it disrespectful to opine that both sides are finding the position of the other somewhat hard to swallow?

I wonder what sort of penetration George is hoping for in jail......................vanilla or chocolate?

I rest my case.

 

[Craven Morehead]

Oh for goodness sake. No doubt the sacristy was locked when not in use. When in use, people would come and go all the time so not possible for sexual assaults to take place.

Some really disgraceful posts posts in this thread. I know, I know, it's BigFooty, but given the seriousness of the topic I would have thought a little more respect for differing views would have been in order.

Sorry, but the truly disgraceful and disrespectful posts come from those who openly claim a survivor has deliberately lied and put himself through this hell.
Yeah. gagf.

 

[GuruJane]

I think the main thing that you have to consider is that the arguments raised for the impossibility of the event were all countered by the prosecution, leaving Pell without a defence in the eyes of the jury. As JLG says a "highly unlikely" argument would have served better, but in any case I think Pell not taking the stand seems to be the most detrimental mistake from the defence (of course assuming Pell is innocent, if he's guilty insulating him from examination in court is a solid tactic).

Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I've sat in so many trials over my working life, and it does seem to me from the mid 90s more and more accused were taking the stand. I put this down to the huge popularity of TV legal dramas.

It's the biggest weakness for Pell to overcome imo.

 

[GuruJane]

The jury toured the Cathedral, which I can imagine could be seen to serve the same purpose. Not sure if the defence/prosecution had set up timelines of movements for the jury to consider during/prior to the tour though, so possible grounds for the appeal.

I just can't see how the jury touring St Pats in the vast and empty spaces of a day when when Mass not being heard does nothing but prejudice the defense in this case.

 

[sherb]

Some really disgraceful posts posts in this thread. I know, I know, it's BigFooty, but given the seriousness of the topic I would have thought a little more respect for differing views would have been in order.

Where on the "disgraceful" scale do you rate a post that openly says the accuser (aka victim, survivor) in this case is lying?

 

[Strange Cat]

I just can't see how the jury touring St Pats in the vast and empty spaces of a day when when Mass not being heard does nothing but prejudice the defense in this case.

From my limited understanding of jury duty isn’t one of the requirements of jury duty is to avoid contact from outside source?

So going on a tour of a “busy” church would compromise that? Let alone if they kept them isolated and cleared out the areas it would defeat the purpose?

Better yet how would it be an accurate situation for the jury to to determine how “busy” the church was decades ago at the time of the incident? The defence couldnt possibly provide a stimulation of that event without knowing specifically how many people were around both inside and outside the church.

That’s my take on it I could be very wrong

 

[AM]

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