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skilts said:
Had you watched the program, you would KNOW that this issue was addressed. It was mentioned, in passing, as if there was no contention about it that the complainant had, indeed, been the source and initiator of the complaint against Pell, to police. Nobody but you thinks this to be an issue.

Why are you propounding such lies? Oh, that's right, you're mindlessly defending your best buddy. Given any opportunity, you will vehemently attack anyone, including the Victoria Police, the complainant, the justice system, the prosecutor, everyone but the convicted paedophile.

I've heard he likes rough sex. In fact, it would seem he thinks any sex will do. Being as intimate as you claim to be with the convicted pervert, I'm sure you would know this already. If not, it would appear you don't know him as well as you claim.
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One thing worth responding to in that. If I’m the only person with a problem with police opening investigations into individuals without a complaint then god help us all.
 

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Number37 said:
The only hysteria is in your post.

What stopping you from watching it and forming your own judgment?
That's what reasonable people do.
Unreasonable people defend Pell.
Unreasonable people, from the cheap seats, question the validity of a jury verdict, despite not having access to all the evidence.

Come on Bruce, it is beyond a joke. There is absolutely no way that anyone can say with any reasonable certainty, beyond reasonable doubt, on the balance of probabilities...that Pell isn't guilty. There is no evidence that he is innocent. NONE. Zero.
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Which standard are you using? Probabilities or beyond reasonable doubt?

I can say with absolute certainty that he didn’t do it. Because I understand the circumstances and Ice wasn’t readily available at the time. And you’d have to have been on Ice to do it.

Those who don’t know the circumstances (or possibly do) must certainly have concluded that on the balance of probabilities he didn’t do it.

But they decided otherwise. I don’t know why they decided otherwise.

This thread though is beginning to shed some light on that.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
I looked at what that was and who was involved and didn’t watch as I avoid propaganda.

Did they ask why the cops opened an investigation into Pell 2 years ahead of a complaint?
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You ingest propaganda every Sunday obviously.
 
The interesting thing if Pell loses on appeal what Commensoli says. He and the rest of the church must accept the verdict and for that matter must condemn Pell. To date he has been very careful and respectful in .messaging which is entirely appropriate but i see no other path they can tread should the appeal fail.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
Which brings us back to.....How does an innocent man defend against those charges beyond saying “I didn’t do it”?
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By them telling the truth. If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory. The principal witness memories of the incident may have faded in time, but because he was telling the truth, it didn't matter. The jury knew this. On the other hand, Pell when questioned on previous times, often answers a question with another question. It gives him a few seconds to think about his answer and cover up the lie. Such as him repeating : "And this happened in the sacristy after mass." He does it two or three times. I keep telling the kids at school : all you have to do is tell the truth, and you have nothing to worry about. Unfortunately for Pell, the lies have gotten so out of control that he is too far gone. Even if he wins the appeal, someone will get him.
 

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gordo2016 said:
By them telling the truth. If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory. The principal witness memories of the incident may have faded in time, but because he was telling the truth, it didn't matter. The jury knew this. On the other hand, Pell when questioned on previous times, often answers a question with another question. It gives him a few seconds to think about his answer and cover up the lie. Such as him repeating : "And this happened in the sacristy after mass." He does it two or three times. I keep telling the kids at school : all you have to do is tell the truth, and you have nothing to worry about. Unfortunately for Pell, the lies have gotten so out of control that he is too far gone. Even if he wins the appeal, someone will get him.
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I watched 4 Corners earlier.

I took that comment "and this happened in the sacristy after Sunday mass" as Pell expressing his incredulity at the allegations not a stalling technique
 
QuietB said:
I didn’t think you held much respect for how the criminal justice system works. And now you want to hide behind it :rolleyes:
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I hold an enormous amount of respect for how it is supposed to work. I don’t believe police should be opening investigations into individuals without complaints then advertising for complaints then leaking tidbits to media and authors so they can get published weeks before laying charges.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
I hold an enormous amount of respect for how it is supposed to work. I don’t believe police should be opening investigations into individuals without complaints then advertising for complaints then leaking tidbits to media and authors so they can get published weeks before laying charges.
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So you're not actually watching it, but continuing on with your bullshit.
Colour me surprised.
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
Not how our criminal justice system is supposed to work. Sorted asked a reasonable question which no one has answered.
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No one gave the answer sorted was after, but that doesn’t mean that some posters didn’t answer the question.

But let’s suppose if 8 out of 32 posts since this afternoon answered sorted question. Yet we only consider the question answered if it were answered, based on these odds, on 10 separate occasions, as a result of 10 independent events of sorted asking the same question... and the question answered in the first post afterwards on each occasion... why then it will be over a one in a million chance... that the question has been answered... which means it could not have been answered... due to probability
 

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Craven Morehead said:
Considering my open admission as a survivor in this thread, you can go and f*** yourself.
Just watch it.
All of it.
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I watched it. You’re wrong. I won’t say you’re lying because there was a bit there where you could, without knowing the history, that the allegation preceded the investigation. It didn’t.
 
Gavin Excell said:
I watched 4 Corners earlier.

I took that comment "and this happened in the sacristy after Sunday mass" as Pell expressing his incredulity at the allegations not a stalling technique
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He should have expressed his incredulity at the trial. But silence. When the charges were known to the public, Pell gave a press conference and said : "I look forward to my day in court." Well his day came. Guilty, on all charges.
 
RupieDupie said:
No one gave the answer sorted was after, but that doesn’t mean that some posters didn’t answer the question.

But let’s suppose if 8 out of 32 posts since this afternoon answered sorted question. Yet we only consider the question answered if it were answered, based on these odds, on 10 separate occasions, as a result of 10 independent events of sorted asking the same question... and the question answered in the first post afterwards on each occasion... why then it will be over a one in a million chance... that the question has been answered... which means it could not have been answered... due to probability
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I just have to put this in a PowerPoint presentation and then I’ll win the argument :poo:
 
Tinker with the celibacy rules/laws and you'll get far less of this shit popping up.
 
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