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sorted said:
I posited this question yesterday but no one has ventured a reply. Anyone?
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It’s a real problem. The accused is placed at an enormous disadvantage by not being able to say “I was at lunch with Dora that day. She will testify to that and here’s my credit card statement.” By the same token a complainant May only just be realising that what that filthy prick did to me has destroyed my life.

I think that once this onslaught of claims is dealt with, and victims understand better that their reports will be taken seriously, a reasonable time limit should be put back in place.

An accused must be afforded some prospect of being able to say where he was at a given time.
 
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BruceFromBalnarring said:
It’s a real problem. The accused is placed at an enormous disadvantage by not being able to say “I was at lunch with Dora that day. She will testify to that and here’s my credit card statement.” By the same token a complainant May only just be realising that what that filthy prick did to me has destroyed my life.

I think that once this onslaught of claims is dealt with, and victims understand better that their reports will be taken seriously, a reasonable time limit should be put back in place.

An accused must be afforded some prospect of being able to say where he was at a given time.
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you seriously are a drop kick and lining your pockets with variation of mince and short pants..
 
BruceFromBalnarring said:
It’s a real problem. The accused is placed at an enormous disadvantage by not being able to say “I was at lunch with Dora that day. She will testify to that and here’s my credit card statement.” By the same token a complainant May only just be realising that what that filthy prick did to me has destroyed my life.

I think that once this onslaught of claims is dealt with, and victims understand better that their reports will be taken seriously, a reasonable time limit should be put back in place.

An accused must be afforded some prospect of being able to say where he was at a given time.
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statute of limitations for murder as well?
 

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BruceFromBalnarring said:
It’s a real problem. The accused is placed at an enormous disadvantage by not being able to say “I was at lunch with Dora that day. She will testify to that and here’s my credit card statement.” By the same token a complainant May only just be realising that what that filthy prick did to me has destroyed my life.

I think that once this onslaught of claims is dealt with, and victims understand better that their reports will be taken seriously, a reasonable time limit should be put back in place.

An accused must be afforded some prospect of being able to say where he was at a given time.
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Going back to my question, and maybe it's not to you but others in the thread - hypothetically, if Pell did not commit those offences that he was accused of in the recent trial what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?
 
sorted said:
Going back to my question, and maybe it's not to you but others in the thread - hypothetically, if Pell did not commit those offences that he was accused of in the recent trial what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?
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How can any of us know - we have not heard the evidence?
 
sorted said:
I posited this question yesterday but no one has ventured a reply. Anyone?
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There would be two relatively happier men today, and one would have came forward stating Cardinal Pell abused him. The second man may not have corroborated his story.
 
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How can any of us know - we have not heard the evidence?
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Fair enough.

But from what we know, the evidence seems to be about the testimony of the victim regarding the events that day, versus Pell - via his lawyer - who if he was innocent would have no recollection of the day. And the victim vs witnesses who can only supply general information of the events on typical days at that time.

Given this hypothetical, which seems realistic, if he was innocent, what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?
 
sorted said:
Fair enough.

But from what we know, the evidence seems to be about the testimony of the victim regarding the events that day, versus Pell - via his lawyer - who if he was innocent would have no recollection of the day. And the victim vs witnesses who can only supply general information of the events on typical days at that time.

Given this hypothetical, which seems realistic, if he was innocent, what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?
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What you are advocating is that every case, regardless of the circumstance, which involves a single complainant versus a single defendant, (with no witnesses), is unsafe in law and all of those found guilty so far should be released for a retrial, or acquittal.
That's your opinion, I personally think it's f***ed in the head, but so be it.

Pretty much every historic rape and child sexual abuse survivor would have zero recourse and the abuse would continue unabated.

Great idea champ.
 

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What you are advocating is that every case, regardless of the circumstance, which involves a single complainant versus a single defendant, (with no witnesses), is unsafe in law and all of those found guilty so far should be released for a retrial, or acquittal.
That's your opinion, I personally think it's f***ed in the head, but so be it.

Pretty much every historic rape and child sexual abuse survivor would have zero recourse and the abuse would continue unabated.

Great idea champ.
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No. I'm asking - given the circumstances about what we know in this case and hypothetically if he was innocent, what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?

What if you were accused of such an offence from 30 years ago?
 
So Robert Sphincter deserted the team? Smells like rats fleeing a sinking ship. :$

Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch, and by that yes I am referring to the Catholic Church as a whole. This case has taken on far greater significance than merely the trial of one man, and I can't wait to see these deluded & perverted Godbotherers cop it in the teeth when his appeal's thrown out.
 
sorted said:
Fair enough.

But from what we know, the evidence seems to be about the testimony of the victim regarding the events that day, versus Pell - via his lawyer - who if he was innocent would have no recollection of the day. And the victim vs witnesses who can only supply general information of the events on typical days at that time.

Given this hypothetical, which seems realistic, if he was innocent, what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?
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What we know is next to nothing. We have not heard the evidence or the cross examination.

Hypotheticals are a waste of time
 
sorted said:
No. I'm asking - given the circumstances about what we know in this case and hypothetically if he was innocent, what possible defence could Pell have mounted that would have been successful?

What if you were accused of such an offence from 30 years ago?
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No, I'm a survivor of such an offence from 30 years ago. And I made that plainly clear on Page 2 of this thread.
Just how would I go making a complaint to police if your scenario was enacted into law?
 
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