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I'd like to be dismissive of any query on Pendlebury's leadership as I really rate the bloke and think he does far more than any of us see for the entire club, let alone the players.

Something I really don't see is "on-filed" leadership. That is not just Pendles either, no one displays any out and out definitive authority. Especially when the chips are down and we are being pummelled in the same manner repeatedly.

I know Pendles has been injured this year and I'm certainly backing him in for a super 2017 but you don't often see Scott put himself in the right spot to make a difference or shift momentum. I remember Buckley was once asked who was a better player between Swan and Pendlebury and he answered that they were completely different so you can't compare them. He said Swan was an impact player that could change the course of a game in a few minutes while Pendlebury is a "death of a thousand cuts" type. He works over the opposition over the course of the game and at the end you look at his stats and go "holy crap this guy smashed us".

So for me, criticism of Pendles leadership is valid. I'm sure he does it excellently, like he does everything else, however it is hard to visualise what he does "on-field" that makes an impact on the team and motivates them.

Remember Hawthorn 2010? Sam Mitchell (Hawks best player then and probably now to me) handed it over to him as he was the "heart and soul" of the club. Mitchell would still be a great captain but some people are better leaders.

We need to find one that inspires and lifts our lads "on-field". Pendles will always be a role model on and off the field due to his professionalism, consistency and dedication to the club. Maybe he isn't the captain we need to lead us at this time though.

EDIT: Sorry was called in to work before I could finish this properly. The whole Swan/Pendlebury paragraph was just to highlight the different styles of player/leader they are. Swanny has bursts of brilliance (almost exactly when the team needs them) that really motivate people around him and energise the team collectively. Pendles' consistent excellence over the course of a game actually detracts from how good he is. You really only notice the truly epic moments or the stuff ups because he is so damn good all the time that you expect it every time.

While people look up to guys like Pendlebury, very few ever dare to dream they can be "that good". It seems unrealistic and could possibly even be a little demoralising or daunting to others. Someone like Taylor Adams (or Swan) though - people can really respond to him - because of the obvious effort he puts in. The hits he takes and dishes out and the sheer guts on display every game are inspirational - you want to play with him and perform better for him because you see how hard he works. This leads into the Hodge/Mitchell thing at Hawthorn.

Sorry its disjointed... Stupid work taking precedence over a footy forum.... What is the world coming to?
 
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If Heath Shaw were still here, can you imagine the spray he'd be giving the defenders? I miss him most out of all our recent departures.
He is doing a great job now at GWS as a leader of young men.
 

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I'd like to be dismissive of any query on Pendlebury's leadership as I really rate the bloke and think he does far more than any of us see for the entire club, let alone the players.

Something I really don't see is "on-filed" leadership. That is not just Pendles either, no one displays any out and out definitive authority. Especially when the chips are down and we are being pummelled in the same manner repeatedly.

I know Pendles has been injured this year and I'm certainly backing him in for a super 2017 but you don't often see Scott put himself in the right spot to make a difference or shift momentum. I remember Buckley was once asked who was a better player between Swan and Pendlebury and he answered that they were completely different so you can't compare them. He said Swan was an impact player that could change the course of a game in a few minutes while Pendlebury is a "death of a thousand cuts" type. He works over the opposition over the course of the game and at the end you look at his stats and go "holy crap this guy smashed us".

So for me, criticism of Pendles leadership is valid. I'm sure he does it excellently, like he does everything else, however it is hard to visualise what he does "on-field" that makes an impact on the team and motivates them.

Remember Hawthorn 2010? Sam Mitchell (Hawks best player then and probably now to me) handed it over to him as he was the "heart and soul" of the club. Mitchell would still be a great captain but some people are better leaders.

We need to find one that inspires and lifts our lads "on-field". Pendles will always be a role model on and off the field due to his professionalism, consistency and dedication to the club. Maybe he isn't the captain we need to lead us at this time though.

EDIT: Sorry was called in to work before I could finish this properly. The whole Swan/Pendlebury paragraph was just to highlight the different styles of player/leader they are. Swanny has bursts of brilliance (almost exactly when the team needs them) that really motivate people around him and energise the team collectively. Pendles' consistent excellence over the course of a game actually detracts from how good he is. You really only notice the truly epic moments or the stuff ups because he is so damn good all the time that you expect it every time.

While people look up to guys like Pendlebury, very few ever dare to dream they can be "that good". It seems unrealistic and could possibly even be a little demoralising or daunting to others. Someone like Taylor Adams (or Swan) though - people can really respond to him - because of the obvious effort he puts in. The hits he takes and dishes out and the sheer guts on display every game are inspirational - you want to play with him and perform better for him because you see how hard he works. This leads into the Hodge/Mitchell thing at Hawthorn.

Sorry its disjointed... Stupid work taking precedence over a footy forum.... What is the world coming to?
great points. and I think this is why Adams should be the next Captain. this might raise a few eyebrows but he plays hard and on the edge
 
Think he's the best bloke at the club to be captain. Issue is who are the other on-field leaders... think it is mainly emerging kids.
 
I like Pendles he is a champion, I have been told a few things of late about his style, very similar to Bucks which if that's true I know Bucks style didn't really work well over the years so it's concerning, the performances on field from the players isn't exactly screaming we are a close tight group who play for each other.

Honestly I wouldn't take the captaincy away from Pendles, If we had no captain and had to choose someone I would select Adams, has some real prick about him and the younger players seem to really get around him.

Agree on Adams. He's the heir apparent but likely 2018 at the earliest.
 
Pendles is our most prolific and skilled player. I would assume for the rest of his career his best position would be in the middle or forward when resting. Considering our poor and usually disorganized defence it may be better if we made a defender captain next year to play a similar role to Maxy. Potential candidates Tyson Goldsack, Ben Reid or Marley Williams. Eventually, when our defence is better in the future we would have options like Darcy Moore, Taylor Adams and Adam Treloar.
 
there is no one better yet at the club to be captain, on or off the field and he will only get better as time goes on
what we do need is others stepping up to take some of the load of him. better leaders on the field, our captain
cannot do it all by himself
 

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Sidey removed as VC and Adams to replace him.

Sidey and Pendles a little to passive in their leadership. I think if Adams is given that added responsibility he will relish it.
 
Sidey removed as VC and Adams to replace him.

Sidey and Pendles a little to passive in their leadership. I think if Adams is given that added responsibility he will relish it.

Is Sidebottom our vice captain?

I though it was just the captain and leadership group memebers.
 
That's kind of cryptic BEEG. What did your friend say about how Pendleburys leadership is like Buckleys? What are the similarities? Why is that a bad thing? Buckleys leadership as captain took us to two underdog grand finals.

I'd hazard a guess ...

... and say that they both have the kind of personality that makes them struggle to relate to people around them.
 

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Could have been an AFL legend......may now struggle to make the HOF.

With a new coach, we might build a team to allow him to fulfil his destiny as premiership captain

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Pendles is our most prolific and skilled player. I would assume for the rest of his career his best position would be in the middle or forward when resting. Considering our poor and usually disorganized defence it may be better if we made a defender captain next year to play a similar role to Maxy. Potential candidates Tyson Goldsack, Ben Reid or Marley Williams. Eventually, when our defence is better in the future we would have options like Darcy Moore, Taylor Adams and Adam Treloar.

Nah no way, Goldsack not best 22, Reid needs to concentrate on staying healthy and nobody can get a word out of Williams.

It will be one of those last 3, you can see they are getting put in front of the camera a lot.
 
Yep he's too nice.
Not critical of his playing style because he is sublimely skilled. But I have always thought the best captains are the ones that crash packs, impose their wills on the game, set the example of physicality. Maxwell did that, what he lacked in skill he made up for in his physical impact in contests. Not that Maxwell was brutal, but he flung himself into situations that demanded others attention.
 

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