Perrie Trade

[adelcrows]

After last night I reckon the Crows should take anyone for Perrie. Although it was Ayers fault he was on Lynch last night he was the most useless player on the ground, that handball after the mark whilst on his back was plain f%^%^&%%^&%^&en stupid and i reckon cost us three goals in the quarter. Anyway Im ****ed off and this is the first time I have bagged Perrie but last night was unacceptable.


Well next Year


Jason

 

[Scotty's_Girl]

I agree that it was Ayres' fault that Perrie was on Lynch. But, I don't think he should be traded 4 anyone. His form up forward hasn't been too bad, although at the beginning of the year, I thought that he would've ended up being the leading goalkicker, but I think Stiffy was.

That mark that Sarge took was great, but playing on afterwards. What was he thinking????

 

[Nige_Bix]

Originally posted by Scotty's_Girl
That mark that Sarge took was great, but playing on afterwards. What was he thinking????

That is the trouble with Perrie - does he think!! - is he capable of it under pressure and his skill the level under pressure is poor too.

BUT not sure he is trade bait and I think he is worth another year up forward - not in defence.

Anyway the best thing for Crows is for Lynch to retire - that way we might have a chance against Brisbane - Voss and all!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Get the best trade for him as you possibly can. As I said million of times before, Ian Perrie is not a defender. To be bruatally honest he is nothing more than a mark and kick forward. He is close to useless further up the ground as his lack of footy smarts and skill usually put us on the back foot.

I reckon teams like Western Bulldogs and Geelong would be genuinely interested in him. I think its time to trade Perrie as he is at his heighest now as far as trade value is concerned.

What we really need to do is draft or trade for a ruckman that can play and provide a bit around the ground. If we had 3 decent ruckman at least that way you could play Biglands as a FB on gorillas like Lynch.

We definetly need to draft a CHF. If Port win tonight we get pick 14, if they lose then we get pick 13. This will HOPEFULLY be good enough to get us a CHF in Fergus Watts, William Gayfer or someone similar. We must get one of those in our club if that means trading up in the draft so be it.

We must rebuild now to avoid years of mediocrity in the medium future. My gut tells me that since Ayers only has 1 year left on his contract, he will not rebuild. He will opt for a quick fix and get this club further into the hole.

 

[Dogwatcher]

Bad decision making, poor mark, inconsistent, slow, not big enough for a player like Lynch. ummmmmmm.......not a very good report card.
I'm not a Crows fan, but I am a fan of some of their players. Every time I have watched this bloke this season he has frustrated the life out of me. Get rid of him....but don't try and trade with Collingwood. Pulllllllllllllleaaaasssseeeeeee noooooo.

 

[Scotty's_Girl]

Originally posted by jfb313
That is the trouble with Perrie - does he think!! - is he capable of it under pressure and his skill the level under pressure is poor too.

Have to agree with u there. Somestimes, it doesn't look like he thinks before he does things.

 

[bluecrow]

There is no way Perrie should be traded! Like Stiffy said, he's NOT a defender, so why play him there? He actually moved off Lynch and down to half forward late in the last quarter and did ok - providing a leading & marking target, which is what we really could have used for the other 3 and a half quarters!

Sarge has played very well all season. He basically carried the forward line when Welsh, Stevo & Carey were out. Yet when he's beaten by Lynch, who no Crow can seem to be able to beat, people call for him to be traded.

The delivery to Lynch last night was unbelievable, so much so that I doubt any of our guys would have been able to stop them. Sarge did the right thing in trying to play in front of Lynch, but when he did, Aker & co would kick it over the top to Lynch who'd worked Perrie under the ball. He just couldn't win last night!

So really, I think you'd have to call for Gary to be 'traded' for making ****ty match ups like that, not Perrie.

 

[DaveW]

If you can guarantee me that one of Rutten or Hentschel will develop into a quality key forward, then I would be glad to see the limited Perrie shipped off whilst he still has trade value.

If not, then he stays on the list for the same reason Ben Marsh does. i.e. There's no one better.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by DaveW
If you can guarantee me that one of Rutten or Hentschel will develop into a quality key forward, then I would be glad to see the limited Perrie shipped off whilst he still has trade value.

If not, then he stays on the list for the same reason Ben Marsh does. i.e. There's no one better.

Apart from the Ben Marsh comment, your spot on Dave.

Firstly, Perrie is not a backman, so don't judge him on the last 2 games where he has been played out of position, as he has not natural instincts as a defender.

This year we would probably have finished lower down the ladder without Sarge, as he held the forward line together for most of the year. We would be very thin for key forwards if we traded him as Stevo, Carey & Welsh appear to injury prone, & Hentschel is too raw at this stage.

Why would we trade Perrie for a defender like Croad? Even without Smart, we have Kenny, Hound down back, with Rutten & Parker who look more developed than Hentschel.

Granted it may be a good time to trade Perrie, but only on the condition we get another player who will bolster the balance of our squad.

 

[macca23]

Sorry to keep on in the same vein Kane (that's almost poetry ), but I am a big gee for trading Perrie now that he has created some value this year.

I accept that he's not a back man, which when you think about it, really describes Perrie. He's not smart and makes bad skill errprs. In the forward line they are soon forgotten. In the back line they cost goals and games.

I also accept that he stood up this year and put in 100% when we had a weakened forward line. But let's face reality. Compare him to Brown, Lynch, Tarrant, Rocca, Tredrea and Cornes and it's not hard to see why we are a tad below the top 3 teams.

If we accept Perrie as the long term answer, we are accepting mediocrity, and will never win a flag. We have to persevere with Rutten and Hentschel who both have an infinitely greater level of skill, and I'm confident that one or both will make the grade if given continued opportunity.

If we trade Perrie, the obvious teams to trade him to are the 2 WA teams, because he is a WA boy and would probably be happy to be a part of it. IMO and the club's we have been one tall down in our back lines this year, which will only be accentuated next year when there is no Smart. This is why I have focussed on Croad, because he has real ability when he applies himself, and IMO is better suited to play in the back lines rather than up forward.

The only type of player we should trade Perrie for is a KPP or a ruckman. Apart from Croad at Freo, the only other players that fit this bill would be Cox or Seaby from West Coast who are in deaperate need of KPP's. So perhaps there could be an opening there.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
Even without Smart, we have Kenny, Hound down back...

Yet a 35 year old kicks a bag on us AGAIN.

Kenny and Bassett are honest... they're not CLASS which is what we need. If we had a Polak or a McPharlin on a Croad in our back 6 we'd win a flag.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Yet a 35 year old kicks a bag on us AGAIN.

Kenny and Bassett are honest... they're not CLASS which is what we need. If we had a Polak or a McPharlin on a Croad in our back 6 we'd win a flag.

I was very happy with Kenny's game on Brown who is a very classy player who has been playing in match-winning form. He definitely had the better of Brown.

Your point is valid though about lacking that extra quality player of good size in our back-line.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Yet a 35 year old kicks a bag on us AGAIN.

Kenny and Bassett are honest... they're not CLASS which is what we need. If we had a Polak or a McPharlin on a Croad in our back 6 we'd win a flag.

I would argue our key forwards were just as poor as our key backman last night & we would have been better balanced with Perrie playing up forward (instead of Carey) & Smart at FB.

Let's have a look at the guys capable of playing key defensive positions - McGregor, Bassett, Stevens, Rutten & Parker. I have confidence that at least 1 of Rutten or Parker will be an OM replacement for Smart.

On the other hand, our key forwards are as follows - Carey, Stevens, Welsh, Perrie & Hentschel. The 1st 3 are injury prone & Hentschel is at least another year away.

If we are to trade Perrie, then we need to find another key forward who can play next year. This is not Croad.

 

[DaveW]

There are very few defenders in the competition I would rate as classy. I don't see why that's a necessary requisite for a defender. Many top sides have defenders you wouldn't consider "classy" - the Wakelins, Prestigiacomo, Craig Bolton, etc. McGregor and Bassett are fine key defenders, we'll be keeping them thanks.

As for Polack, McPharline, Croad (haha!) being classy? Pfft. The first two still have a lot to live up to. And as the third player named there has shown, potential isn't always realised.

 

[tribey]

No you misinterpet me...

Class = Top notch.

I don't mean class as in turns up to the ground in a Beamer with a tuxedo on and proceeds to compose a sonnet in honour of football as he spoils, marks and runs with a Palm Pilot in one hand and a glass of Moet in the other

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by dyertribe
Class = Top notch.

You'd be struggling to name many regular CHBs better than Kenny McG.

 

[Andre]

Originally posted by DaveW
There are very few defenders in the competition I would rate as classy. I don't see why that's a necessary requisite for a defender. Many top sides have defenders you wouldn't consider "classy" - the Wakelins, Prestigiacomo, Craig Bolton, etc. McGregor and Bassett are fine key defenders, we'll be keeping them thanks.

If you don't mind a Port support intruding I'd add the following. If you want a tall defender take a number! Looking around the clubs (including my own), tall defenders seem to be topping the list of most clubs wants this year. Usually there's just as much, if not more, desire out there for tall forwards, but Geelong aside, I think most clubs have defenders higher on the list of priorities. Which make both SA based clubs chances of getting a great young tall defender who can step up quickly (2004) unlikely unless players are traded to get higher picks.

I see Adelaide as in somewhat of a bind next year. You either hold onto Perrie, have Smart go around another year, keep Carey and Burns playing most games and hope you take the extra step in 2004 - but really not adding anything other then some key players older and slower, or bite the bullet and offload Perrie, encourage Smart to retire, possibly Burns (I know you won't push Carey out) and blood youngsters - and slide down to the foot of the eight or even miss out, but be serious contenders in 2005 or 2006. If you hold onto Perrie, Smart, Carey and Burns playing next year at the expense of youngsters then you're going to slide much further in the medium term by not playing youngsters.

Trying to be unbiased on the Crows is hard, but which road you take should be whether you think after a serious hard look at this year and the same players next year whether you'll improve or stay static, or slide. If you don't see improvement likely with the old guys then all you are doing is setting yourself up for worse draft picks and too many youngsters at once in 2005/2006.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Just having looked through the games that Perrie has played in this year. In only 5 games he was very good. The rest of the games were either so so or shockers.

If we can get something decent for him I say trade him. This will give Rutten and possibly Hentschel (hopefully we draft Fergus Watts as well) chance to play senior footy and develop.

This is the year we need to make some really hard decisions

 

[Unwritten_Law]

What would you want from Geelong?

For anyone else we would trade a midfielder but that is hardly going to appeal to Adelaide.

Second round pick (22 I think it is) and what else? we have plenty of small defenders....

 

[Jerome]

Originally posted by macca23

The only type of player we should trade Perrie for is a KPP or a ruckman. Apart from Croad at Freo, the only other players that fit this bill would be Cox or Seaby from West Coast who are in deaperate need of KPP's. So perhaps there could be an opening there.

I agree. If we could get a ruckman/forward for Ian, I would be happy.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
What would you want from Geelong?

For anyone else we would trade a midfielder but that is hardly going to appeal to Adelaide.

Second round pick (22 I think it is) and what else? we have plenty of small defenders....

The only two players from Geelong that fit what we need are two players you probably wouldn't trade - the two Matthews.

Matthew Scarlett

and

Matthew McCarthy

What would you want for each of them??

 

[DaveW]

I suspect the answers are:

Scarlett - untouchable, best full back in the comp

McCarthy - plays the same position as Perrie but is younger and with more scope for improvement, so its an unlikely swap

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW
I suspect the answers are:

Scarlett - untouchable, best full back in the comp

McCarthy - plays the same position as Perrie but is younger and with more scope for improvement, so its an unlikely swap

I would think that you're correct on both counts.

If you go through what each team has in the way of KPP's and which one, if any, might be prepared to trade them, then you come up with very thin pickings indeed.

That's why I think Perrie has some trade value this year, and why I would trade for Croad.

Ayres said tonight that our major need for next year is a tall key backman.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Perrie for pick 22, you'd be mad to pass that up especially now that we need to inject some good quality youth in our squad

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Perrie for pick 22, you'd be mad to pass that up especially now that we need to inject some good quality youth in our squad

I would not trade Perrie away unless we can get another KPP, otherwise we are going to lack depth. We would have been stuffed without him this year (eg. Hentschel looked too raw).