Peter Siddle

[Jimthegreat]

Bowlers can get better though. Look at Jimmy Anderson - he was garbage when England got 5-0'd here back in 06/07. He went away, worked on his game and he's arguably the best bowler in the world right now with Steyn. If Hilfenhaus has improved his game then what came before doens't matter.

You could be right and he wouldn't be the first. Still scares me though until it does work. It's embedded in my memory as an imprint..lol! Hasn't been great in his FC games but people say he's bowling better. Sh1t I hope they're right.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Very harsh, Ash.

I don't think anybody rates Siddle as anything but the 3rd paceman in the attack, a solid workhorse who'll give as much in his last over as his first.

Judging by his performance against the kiwi's (with both bat and ball) I think he's taking on the challenge of a more senior role in the team with gusto.

He stood up then and I can see continuedimprovement throughout the summer (If he can keep the ****in' thing pitched up!)

 

[dan warna]

concur. Im a victorian and rate siddle as kaspa/brett lee/lawson type support bowler.

He's not good enough to carry an attack like McGrath or dizzy.

The only thing that can extend his career is if he's the no.3 paceman behind a cummins/pattinson type attack, if their early form wasn't a flash in the pan and genuinely sustainable as fast bowlers and they pan out into 25/26 averages with a SR of about 60.

I would worry that at least one of cummins and pattinson had an element of lee like luck and they spend 10 years living of of the reputation of their early form.

It would be good if both were sustainably good with 10 year careers with 500 wickets a piece but its unlikely.

 

[aussierulesrules]

You could be right and he wouldn't be the first. Still scares me though until it does work. It's embedded in my memory as an imprint..lol! Hasn't been great in his FC games but people say he's bowling better. Sh1t I hope they're right.

Man you need to chill out, seriously. You have nothing to fear, so please take a deep breath and relax, it's just a game, after all.
You keep on talking about 12 months ago, but how was Michael Clarke going then, for instance? He was going about as badly as anyone you're getting stuck into here, yet you don't seem to be expecting him to play as badly as he did (by his standards) in the coming games, because he played that way 12 months ago. 12 months ago Hussey was also dominating, but how was he going 12 months before that, or two months before that? 12 months ago is history.
In Siddle's case, he came out of no-where a few years ago and a lot of responsibility was put on his shoulders right from the get-go, pretty much and he didn't get a break to go and work on his game after his early games, as so many do (many come in, play a few games, then get "dropped" and come back later on, bigger and better and more experienced). He had to "learn on the job" pretty much, as there weren't many other good options and he also had a major injury to get over early on.
When he first came in to the side he was very economical and bowled ball after ball on a good line and length and would get the odd wicket when one would move a bit (or they'd get impatient and play a rash shot), but then somewhere along the way it seems someone tried to turn him into a "strike bowler" and he started to get pretty wayward and inconsistent and he also started bowling a lot shorter (something they've apparently been told to do at the Bushrangers, as it apparently works well at domestic level) and these things really messed with his performances for Australia.
Since McDermott came on to the scene, though, he's been generally bowling fuller, has changed his bowling grip and has had some innings that were much more like his very first ones in test cricket (ie. very economical and consistent).
McDermott looks to have helped him get back on track and there's nothing to suggest he's going to revert to the old ways that didn't work all of a sudden. He's not the most talented in the world, but they don't grow on trees and sometimes you have to make do with the best you've got, until someone better comes along.
As for Hilfenhaus, he had some excellent series for Australia early on, but along the way he also got off track, with one of the major reasons apparently being the injury he carried for a long time, which affected his bowling action, which in turn caused the ball to swing out of his hand, instead of late. That is going to have a major affect on his performances. On top of that he's also been bowling too short and again that is something that McDermott will be all over, which will also help him to swing it and be more dangerous.
They're not the best that have ever bowled for Australia, but they're pretty much the best (along with Pattinson) that we have to choose from at the moment (that are match fit and capable of bowling long spells) and they're going to be giving everything they've got for the cause, so it would help if we supported them and stopped whining about what they did a long time ago, or about how they're not the best that have ever been.

 

[Icanwalk]

Very harsh, Ash.

I don't think anybody rates Siddle as anything but the 3rd paceman in the attack, a solid workhorse who'll give as much in his last over as his first.

Judging by his performance against the kiwi's (with both bat and ball) I think he's taking on the challenge of a more senior role in the team with gusto.

He stood up then and I can see continuedimprovement throughout the summer (If he can keep the ****in' thing pitched up!)

I agree that Siddle is nothing more than a typical workhorse 3rd line paceman, but have to admit that the media and even CA rate him higher than this. I rekon they still intend for Siddle to lead the pace attack and open the bowling, which is a waste considering he is unable to use the new ball short of banging it hard into the turf and staring down the batsmen like the bogan he is.

Hopefully a Pattinson or Cummins can hold their spot, clearly more talented than Siddle and will be a far greater threat with the new ball in hand. Likewise for Hilfenhaus. I know he's not the most popular guy on these parts but at least he can manipulate the new ball. Would prefer him to open than Siddle any day.

If Siddle is still leading the attack in a years time, things will no doubt be ugly.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

I agree that Siddle is nothing more than a typical workhorse 3rd line paceman, but have to admit that the media and even CA rate him higher than this. I rekon they still intend for Siddle to lead the pace attack and open the bowling, which is a waste considering he is unable to use the new ball short of banging it hard into the turf and staring down the batsmen like the bogan he is.

Hopefully a Pattinson or Cummins can hold their spot, clearly more talented than Siddle and will be a far greater threat with the new ball in hand. Likewise for Hilfenhaus. I know he's not the most popular guy on these parts but at least he can manipulate the new ball. Would prefer him to open than Siddle any day.

If Siddle is still leading the attack in a years time, things will no doubt be ugly.

I disagree and agree with you.

CA expect Siddle to lead the attack, but only until Cummins and JPat are experienced. Then he will revert to the traditional 3rd seamer role.

 

[Baby_Jenks]

How many more times does everyone else need to fall over before people begin to accept that Siddle has been standing up since his debut? The only bowler to stand up during the 09-10 Ashes and played above his ability with the bat as well. In India, with the talent that he does or doesn't have what more could you could have expected from the fields he was set and the pitches he was bowling on? He was forced into bowling economically/crap in South Africa due to Johnson being given such a long leash and then stepped up to let the debutants get the lime light by bowling responsibly if not overly aggressively against the boks and the kiwis.
Now you want him to 'step up' against the Indians? Please.
Siddle will bowl his heart out albeit with out a huge pool of talent to work with. His first over will have as much grunt as his last and he bowls with consistency to the instructions and field of his captain. Yes ideally he's the first change bowler but he's the first bowler to stick his hand up during the thankless task of bowling with the middle aged ball.
People are crying out for 'servants' of the game during this doe eyed fascination by the administrators with T20 and here we have one, yet certain parts of the cricketing public are bagging him? If every player in the Australian Test side had his heart we would never have to worry about rolling over for 47 ever again.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Man you need to chill out, seriously. You have nothing to fear, so please take a deep breath and relax, it's just a game, after all.
You keep on talking about 12 months ago, but how was Michael Clarke going then, for instance? He was going about as badly as anyone you're getting stuck into here, yet you don't seem to be expecting him to play as badly as he did (by his standards) in the coming games, because he played that way 12 months ago. 12 months ago Hussey was also dominating, but how was he going 12 months before that, or two months before that? 12 months ago is history.
In Siddle's case, he came out of no-where a few years ago and a lot of responsibility was put on his shoulders right from the get-go, pretty much and he didn't get a break to go and work on his game after his early games, as so many do (many come in, play a few games, then get "dropped" and come back later on, bigger and better and more experienced). He had to "learn on the job" pretty much, as there weren't many other good options and he also had a major injury to get over early on.
When he first came in to the side he was very economical and bowled ball after ball on a good line and length and would get the odd wicket when one would move a bit (or they'd get impatient and play a rash shot), but then somewhere along the way it seems someone tried to turn him into a "strike bowler" and he started to get pretty wayward and inconsistent and he also started bowling a lot shorter (something they've apparently been told to do at the Bushrangers, as it apparently works well at domestic level) and these things really messed with his performances for Australia.
Since McDermott came on to the scene, though, he's been generally bowling fuller, has changed his bowling grip and has had some innings that were much more like his very first ones in test cricket (ie. very economical and consistent).
McDermott looks to have helped him get back on track and there's nothing to suggest he's going to revert to the old ways that didn't work all of a sudden. He's not the most talented in the world, but they don't grow on trees and sometimes you have to make do with the best you've got, until someone better comes along.
As for Hilfenhaus, he had some excellent series for Australia early on, but along the way he also got off track, with one of the major reasons apparently being the injury he carried for a long time, which affected his bowling action, which in turn caused the ball to swing out of his hand, instead of late. That is going to have a major affect on his performances. On top of that he's also been bowling too short and again that is something that McDermott will be all over, which will also help him to swing it and be more dangerous.
They're not the best that have ever bowled for Australia, but they're pretty much the best (along with Pattinson) that we have to choose from at the moment (that are match fit and capable of bowling long spells) and they're going to be giving everything they've got for the cause, so it would help if we supported them and stopped whining about what they did a long time ago, or about how they're not the best that have ever been.

No mate I call it as I see it. I do not beat about the bush. If that pi$$es people off it's called stiff sh!t. I'm not going to run around thinking things are ok when, IMO, I'm not sure they are. Sorry if I don't live in hope like others. That's for losers. I live in reality, that's somewhere in the real world if you don't know. Means if it's sh1t you say so, if it's good you praise them highly. Hopefully that reality changes. You're rationalising one thing, history says otherwise. Proof of the pudding is in the eating and if it's nice I'll change my mind as one does.

They were more than just out of form like Clarke was. As a combination they were terrible. Were fort a few series. Bad bowling costs games and series. How can you forget. Problem people have is they forget very easily. Makes it hard to respect. We can rationalise all we like but they were awful time after time. Since that series we've have Harris, Copeland, Cummins and Pattision come in and step right up. Harris was the man in SL and he and Watson did it on their own in the First Test in SA. Cummins set it up in the 2nd Test. Now we've had Pattinson take 14 wickets in 2 Tests with good output from Siddle, albeit highly favourable pitches. Means the bowling has gone up a notch. Injuries don't help so we have to select someone admittedly but why go back to what's failed, why not Hazelwood. Young debutantes have been carrying the bowling lineup for a while so why no go again. The thought though of having 2 of the 3 blokes that have hurt us so much previously, who are not big wickettakers and average 31.5 and 34.5 with the ball doesn't fill me with confidence. Might for you, doesn't for me. At least it's not Siddle and Johnson. That'd be worse. As I said, I live in the real world, unlike others. So don't tell how I should to think.

 

[Jimthegreat]

How many more times does everyone else need to fall over before people begin to accept that Siddle has been standing up since his debut? The only bowler to stand up during the 09-10 Ashes and played above his ability with the bat as well. In India, with the talent that he does or doesn't have what more could you could have expected from the fields he was set and the pitches he was bowling on? He was forced into bowling economically/crap in South Africa due to Johnson being given such a long leash and then stepped up to let the debutants get the lime light by bowling responsibly if not overly aggressively against the boks and the kiwis.
Now you want him to 'step up' against the Indians? Please.
Siddle will bowl his heart out albeit with out a huge pool of talent to work with. His first over will have as much grunt as his last and he bowls with consistency to the instructions and field of his captain. Yes ideally he's the first change bowler but he's the first bowler to stick his hand up during the thankless task of bowling with the middle aged ball.
People are crying out for 'servants' of the game during this doe eyed fascination by the administrators with T20 and here we have one, yet certain parts of the cricketing public are bagging him? If every player in the Australian Test side had his heart we would never have to worry about rolling over for 47 ever again.

Standing up since his debut? What game have you been watching. Very recently he has bowled alot better and not leaking. Rest will be on flat tracks. Never been a great wickettaker, never always got them when needed and averages 31.5 with the ball. Last Ashes Series he took 14 wickets, 12 in two innings. Need them when it counts. Marcus North used to bat like that.

You've just rationalised alot.

 

[King Elvis]

Where is he overrated? Who overrates him? Not on here for sure.

The fact he's been an automatic selection in the side for the last few years.

 

[Baby_Jenks]

Watching? About two thirds of them (completely missed the most recent first test in SFA). How many have you watched or have you just been relying on text?
We can both agree that he's not a 'spearhead' bowler. He's a workhorse who has been trying to bookend some abysmal bowling. Hilf in the ashes who couldn't swing a revolving door. Johnson who shouldn't have been anywhere near the side. Two debutants (good ones I'll admit). The only time he's had a tried, tested and capable bowler up the other end was Harris and Copeland. He was first change and bowled reasonably, on roads.
With everyone fit and in form, he'll probably be the one to cop the axe but until then he's a lion hearted bowler that loves what he does.

The fact he's been an automatic selection in the side for the last few years

You mean the last two years where we've had an absolute conga line of fast bowlers banging down the door for selection?

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I disagree and agree with you.

CA expect Siddle to lead the attack, but only until Cummins and JPat are experienced. Then he will revert to the traditional 3rd seamer role.

I agree with this. He'll be a decent third seamer if he can keep his head but there are probably other bowlers - like Hazlewood - who eventually will over take him.

McDermott seems to have had a good effect on most of the bowlers. Even Johnson has been less wayward even if he hasn't been effective at taking wickets.

Starc shouldn't be there anyway so I'm not that fussed at his waywardness. Hopefully he'll go back to state cricket and earn his way properly to the international team.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

concur. Im a victorian and rate siddle as kaspa/brett lee/lawson type support bowler.

I'd take Kaspa and Lee ahead of Siddle any day, one good series against a minnow side is making people forget how terrible he's been at leading the attack with Johnson for the past few years.

When Lee had to take over the attack in 2007/08 he took 85 wickets @ 25. He stood up. Siddle, like Johnson, has allowed teams to pile on massive scores again and again and made it impossible for our batsmen.

I'll give him credit for bowling well against NZ, but it's still NZ and not India. Unless he seriously surprises this summer he should be out for Cummins and/or Harris, whoever returns first.

 

[Baby_Jenks]

I think we'd all take Kaspa or Lee over Siddle but at the moment he's what we've got.
Also I re-interate and agree, he's a good first change bowler, not an opening one. Hilf is the one that's seat warming. Harris/Cummins comes in, Hilf goes and siddle moves back to first change.

The other options for support bowler are ... Hilf? Copeland? Dougie? Yet another debutant? Starc?

 

[damochandler]

ban him from bowling to the tailenders and i'll be happy with that

 

[dan warna]

Brett lee's last few series, just in perspective.

ashes 2006/7 20 wickets 33.2
Sl in Aus, 16 wickets at 17.6
India in Aus 24 wickets at 22.6
Windians 18 wickets at 23.7
India in India, 8 wickets at 61
NZ, 12 wickets at 21.83
RSA in Aus, 2 tests, 1 wicket at 249

some great series,some average, some crap.

Siddle

India 4 wickets at 44
rsa 13 wickets at 27
rSA 12 wickets at 22.5
ahses 12 wickets at 30.8
windians 3 wickets at 70.66
Pakistan 8 wickets at 32.7
Ahses, 14 wickets at 34.5 (this includes at least 3 dropped catches by haddin)
SL 4 wicket at 22.75
RSA 4 wickets at 51.25
NZ 9 wickets at 23.22

Also in comparison Lee had a fantastic slips cordon and brilliant fielders across the ground. Heals and Gilchrist would be rarely drop a catch through a series. Siddle has had a good ordinary fielding side.

Haddin has improved but he pretty much seemed to drop a catch every test, and our slips cordon just lets batsmen off, over and over again.

you can put down a % advantage to warne, mcgrath, dizzy and lee to our fabulous fielding advantage.

I remember watch vaas of SL who finished with 350 odd wickets. Probably would have been closer to 400, if not more, at a significantly sub 30 average if he had Australia's fielding team. How many chances did they let go, over and over again. and often letting some spud with the gloves behind the wickets because of their batting ability.

Heals average of 30 was more than made up with his fantastic and highly disciplined keeping. Gilchrist faded a bit at the end behind the stumps but has a great record as a keeper as well.

Haddin, is a good ordinary keeper and a good ordinary test batsman. I'd trade his 10 run advantage to get heals back in a flash.

 

[MelVilander]

A honest Indian opinion: from what we have seen of him in SA, he is good. Infact India would love to have a bowler like him in their test squad. Dont understand why you guys think he is not good enough, is it because he looks.. well lets say kinda rural .

 

[The 747]

The fact he's been an automatic selection in the side for the last few years.

Sure except that he hasnt. He was sent back to play A games in Zimbabwe, was dropped for the first Test against SL and came in only through injury. Since being recalled he has justified his continuing selection.

And if all our bowlers were fit he would struggle to get a game. Is a long way from an automatic selection, he is at the moment because we have six Test squad bowlers unavailable.

 

[Bomber Trav]

He's only leading the attack due to being the most experienced bowler in a fairly new attack. Once Pattinson and Cummins gain some experience he'll slot back into the first change slot.

He is a necessity to the Australian side. He's a workhorse who'll relieve some of the pressure from the other bowlers and bang it in from one end while they can go about their natural game at the other end. He's good for the balance of the side.

 

[King Elvis]

Sure except that he hasnt. He was sent back to play A games in Zimbabwe, was dropped for the first Test against SL and came in only through injury. Since being recalled he has justified his continuing selection.

And if all our bowlers were fit he would struggle to get a game. Is a long way from an automatic selection, he is at the moment because we have six Test squad bowlers unavailable.

And the years before that one series?

 

[Jimthegreat]

He's only leading the attack due to being the most experienced bowler in a fairly new attack. Once Pattinson and Cummins gain some experience he'll slot back into the first change slot.

He is a necessity to the Australian side. He's a workhorse who'll relieve some of the pressure from the other bowlers and bang it in from one end while they can go about their natural game at the other end. He's good for the balance of the side.

Once Harris and Cummins are fit he won't be a necessity anywhere anymore. He's just not in our best side. In South Africa Harris, Watson and Cummins got the wickets and set us up with the ball.Even against NZ Pattison was the man with 14 wickets.

His ability to apply continued pressure to the bats over his career hasn't been great, he's not a great wickettaker and he averages near 32 with the ball. He's been alot better though in the last few games in regards to eliminating the "4 ball" each, his pressure and has beaten the bat alot but is mind-numbingly dumb when bowling to the tail. I do feel though there's more chance of a wicket when he's bowling now at least. Siddle's length unfortunately though might be the reason he beats the bat alot without taking wickets.

When wickets become flatter that will test him as he is limited. If he can continue he improvement on those then he's getting further in his career.

 

[dan warna]

I too would love it if we had 2 or even 3 great demon fast bowlers capable of bowling at 150kmph with accuracy and intimidation, bounce and swing.

Throw in a spinner who can pin down batsman or turn them at right angles and we can cover the donkeys we have in the batting line up atm and Haddin dropping catches.

 

[Baby_Jenks]

Yeah because they just grow on trees.


Does the 41 scored today count as siddle standing up?

 

[dan warna]

Yeah because they just grow on trees.


Does the 41 scored today count as siddle standing up?

nothing siddle can do will stop the scorn here.

Probably similar with poor old hughes.

 

[mansize rooster]

bowled really well today
and bowled without luck

this guy is maturing this summer